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post #30331 of 31727 Old 12-19-2016, 06:45 PM
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Okay I know I saw this question answered in this thread, but I can't find it.

The V1800 is not seeing / getting enough juice from the AVR to take it out of the standby mode if i remember correctly?

The receiver is not/sometimes picking up the sub...

Ran the Room correction once, didn't see the sub. Rebot the AV receiver, sub "clicked" on, Re-ran the room correction, AVR recognized the Sub on the first pass, did not recognized the sub in the next two passes, no sub listed on the AVR.

The V1800 is set per instructions, left LFE input, gain, cross over, etc. red light is "on" on the amp

I did send a message to PSA, just looking to get the sub running tonight
If you've got a splitter you can plug in both the L/R inputs to get a little extra boost in to the amp to maybe help trigger it. I'd also check that you have your speakers set to small and subwoofer on/enabled to make sure it's sending the right signal to your sub.

It really shouldn't take much to wake it up it so there could be a setting off right now.

Also check your LFE setting in the AVR and crank up its output until you get it triggering. You can also turn up your AVR's listening volume. If I listen to music quietly it doesn't kick on the sub, but if I go loud...

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Is the power set to on or auto? If you just want to run the auto setup putting the switch to on should let you do that. Once you get it set up you can address the auto on issue. What AVR do you have?

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Okay I know I saw this question answered in this thread, but I can't find it.

The V1800 is not seeing / getting enough juice from the AVR to take it out of the standby mode if i remember correctly?

The receiver is not/sometimes picking up the sub...

Ran the Room correction once, didn't see the sub. Rebot the AV receiver, sub "clicked" on, Re-ran the room correction, AVR recognized the Sub on the first pass, did not recognized the sub in the next two passes, no sub listed on the AVR.

The V1800 is set per instructions, left LFE input, gain, cross over, etc. red light is "on" on the amp

I did send a message to PSA, just looking to get the sub running tonight
If you have an RCA splitter try running it to both left and right inputs. Don't know what AVR you have but if it has two sub outs they may be just one actual sub internally connected in which case you could run another RCA to the right input to achieve the same thing as using a splitter/y adapter.

Also, you could just leave the sub on and not in auto standby until you get the auto standby function sorted.

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Thanks for the replies.

I missed my window to calibrate the sub, my wife came home, we have 2 rescue dogs, an 80 pound pit bull and a 100 pound Cane Corso.

The dogs are very happy (and spoiled) to see their mommy so the noise level in the house is far to high now.

Did switch the sub to on and we'll see where that goes.

In terms of a AVR, have an Onkyo TX-SR705.

Will talk to Tom at PSA tomorrow, I'm sure he'll get me where I need to be
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How come I read this thread and want more subs. Eh now I want 2 more xv15s
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How come I read this thread and want more subs. Eh now I want 2 more xv15s
There's some magical property in this thread. I'm not sure what page it crept in on, but it works it's magic on you by the time you're done reading.
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Hey everyone! I posted here a while back while I was mulling over some PSA subs, but couldn't make a decision as there were hang ups in my condo construction and I had no idea where my cable was going to be. Now that is is nearing it's end (hopefully!), I wanted to come back and ask for some advice. Please see the pictures I've attached to see where the TV is going to be roughly mounted (shown by the red star in the floor plan- will prob be closer to middle of the wall) and where I'm thinking the sub should go (shown by the blue star in floor plan and bump out in room). The pictures from inside the condo are also attached.

I had always been debating between the 15V and the V1500, but that was before I realized I was going to have about ~16ft ceilings. That's a ton of space to fill with bass, especially since it is open to the kitchen, and entryway. Many folks have said I should go with 2 subs, but I wouldn't be able to afford that out of the gate- it would have to be later, if at all, and would also have to pass the WAF (or in this case girlfriend).

Keeping in mind that I might go dual down the line, does the V1500 really offer *that* much more than the 15V? Should I be looking at maybe an S1500 or S1800 instead? I also don't want to be a *huge* jerk to my neighbors, though that might be unavoidable .

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The 15v is a bit smaller and does not give up much...maybe 1-2db below 20hz and a little extension. It's the better buy right now while on sale for 899.00. Single S15/1800 would not be wise for that space with action oriented movies at spirited levels. You need a T18HT for that space for sealed and even then I would still opt for a V3600i.


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The 15v is a bit smaller and does not give up much...maybe 1-2db below 20hz and a little extension. It's the better buy right now while on sale for 899.00.
I think the 15v makes a nicer looking end table too, helps with the WAF. Dual 15v gets my vote!
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Hi, I still can't decide between the v1800 and the s3000i, I was wondering if the v1800 is able to go deep enough to play some scenes like the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow or the deep charge scene in U-571 or the server room in Pulse.... Or I need to go sealed to play those? Thanks in advance.

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The 15v is a bit smaller and does not give up much...maybe 1-2db below 20hz and a little extension. It's the better buy right now while on sale for 899.00. Single S15/1800 would not be wise for that space with action oriented movies at spirited levels. You need a T18HT for that space for sealed and even then I would still opt for a V3600i.


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Thanks guys! So, I'm still learning what you fine folks mean when referring to extension and what typical hz levels are- I'm a bit of a noob! So with that said, how low do movies typically get- you know for explosion & gunfire scenes, etc? Does that level change if it is standard definition versus cable HD, Blu-Ray and 4K?

** edits-- really the only way to describe what I like in terms of bass, is feeling my butt rumble in my seat, feeling that "punch" in your chest during a fight scene or the deep hit on a rap song. I imagine the 15V and V1500 would both get to those levels?

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Hi, I still can't decide between the v1800 and the s3000i, I was wondering if the v1800 is able to go deep enough to play some scenes like the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow or the deep charge scene in U-571 or the server room in Pulse.... Or I need to go sealed to play those? Thanks in advance.

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yes the v1800 will go deep enough...sealed has the potential to dig deeper but you still need enough output to make use of the extension...room gain can help depending how large the room is look up the equal loudness curve.

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Thanks guys! So, I'm still learning what you fine folks mean when referring to extension and what typical hz levels are- I'm a bit of a noob! So with that said, how low do movies typically get- you know for explosion & gunfire scenes, etc? Does that level change if it is standard definition versus cable HD, Blu-Ray and 4K?

** edits-- really the only way to describe what I like in terms of bass, is feeling my butt rumble in my seat, feeling that "punch" in your chest during a fight scene or the deep hit on a rap song. I imagine the 15V and V1500 would both get to those levels?
punch in your chest is centered around 80hz, rap music is mainly 40-60hz, rumble in the seat is 25-35hz....20hz and lower is a added weight that adds pressure and vibrations through out the room. most bass is above 30hz, but it's nice to have a sub that is strong to 16hz that way it can handle some off those deep passages without much strain...hence why ported is very popular in most HT rooms that utilize 1-2 subs for the extra efficiency down around port tune.
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punch in your chest is centered around 80hz, rap music is mainly 40-60hz, rumble in the seat is 25-35hz....20hz and lower is a added weight that adds pressure and vibrations through out the room. most bass is above 30hz, but it's nice to have a sub that is strong to 16hz that way it can handle some off those deep passages without much strain...hence why ported is very popular in most HT rooms that utilize 1-2 subs for the extra efficiency down around port tune.
Thanks Basshead!! Lastly, just so I can have all my bases covered- my speakers are rated as below:
Frequency Response: 50Hz-25kHz +/- 3dB
Low Frequency cutoff: 41Hz -6dB

Does this mean, when I do add the sub to my collection- I would want to set the crossover (where the sub starts doing more and more work for the lower frequencies right) at about 80hz?

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Thanks Basshead!! Lastly, just so I can have all my bases covered- my speakers are rated as below:
Frequency Response: 50Hz-25kHz +/- 3dB
Low Frequency cutoff: 41Hz -6dB

Does this mean, when I do add the sub to my collection- I would want to set the crossover (where the sub starts doing more and more work for the lower frequencies right) at about 80hz?

Really appreciate all the help!
Yes… What you will want to do is make sure you set your speakers to small (even if they are towers) and then set your cross over at 80Hz. You can also experiment with others cross overs like 90 or 100 and see if you like that better.

I agree with Basshead, I would not look at the sealed subs in your situation due to all the open area you have and I would probably go with the 15V especially at it's current price.

When it comes to movies and bass you will really kick yourself if you settle for subs that can't go down to at least 20 (and preferably 16) Hz. It may not account for the majority of the movie material but when it's there you really want to have subs that allow you to enjoy it.
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punch in your chest is centered around 80hz, rap music is mainly 40-60hz, rumble in the seat is 25-35hz....20hz and lower is a added weight that adds pressure and vibrations through out the room. most bass is above 30hz, but it's nice to have a sub that is strong to 16hz that way it can handle some off those deep passages without much strain...hence why ported is very popular in most HT rooms that utilize 1-2 subs for the extra efficiency down around port tune.

Thats a really nice info to have... Thanks. I was always wondering what frequencies affect "what" in my room because some times I feel my chair moving and some times the room is the one rumbling or the windows in the next room.
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yes the v1800 will go deep enough...sealed has the potential to dig deeper but you still need enough output to make use of the extension...room gain can help depending how large the room is look up the equal loudness curve.
Thanks, the room is a dedicated room 2400cf. Right know I have an XS15se but want something bigger with more tactile feel something that hat really punch you during the movie, the room usage is 90-95% movies so maybe ported is the way to go... I was afraid to loose those low frequencies but if the ported V1800 is capable of that is a really good candidate for my upgrade.
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Hi, I still can't decide between the v1800 and the s3000i, I was wondering if the v1800 is able to go deep enough to play some scenes like the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow or the deep charge scene in U-571 or the server room in Pulse.... Or I need to go sealed to play those? Thanks in advance.

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I've had several ported and sealed subs. You won't gain much going sealed if your room is large and or open. In fact you will lose performance in most cases. What was your room size again? And is it open? To benefit from a s3000i you will probably need a smaller sealed room medium sealed at the most.

The v1800 should be fine with EOT. You will defiantly hear it as most of what your hearing isn't actually 10hz content anyway. For instance I have played around with my rythmik lv12r and it plays the beginning of EOT with noticeable output. The v1800 will stomp the lv12r so I'm sure it would be plenty for you.

I havent seen u571 (ya and I consider myself a bass head ) so I can't comment on that. I'd have see a graph or know just how low it plays.

Do you have any prior subs?

EDIT- I missed bass heads response and your clarification on room size and prior subs.

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Thanks, the room is a dedicated room 2400cf. Right know I have an XS15se but want something bigger with more tactile feel something that hat really punch you during the movie, the room usage is 90-95% movies so maybe ported is the way to go... I was afraid to loose those low frequencies but if the ported V1800 is capable of that is a really good candidate for my upgrade.
Yeah that V1800 is no joke, it should give you some decent punch. If I were you I would contact Tom to see about getting in on the new V1801 and see what the introductory price will be. That sub looks to be geared to deliver more power below 30 Hz than the V1800.

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Thanks, the room is a dedicated room 2400cf. Right know I have an XS15se but want something bigger with more tactile feel something that hat really punch you during the movie, the room usage is 90-95% movies so maybe ported is the way to go... I was afraid to loose those low frequencies but if the ported V1800 is capable of that is a really good candidate for my upgrade.
I think you would notice a substantial improvement. +6-8db in the 16-50hz range! It will basically have double the output...well worth the trade off of loosing a little extension.

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Okay the Oppo 203 has arrived. I know this is a PSA subwoofer thread but since some here are considering ordering this unit I'll leave a quick review.

First off let me state that this thing screams quality. The unit itself is built like a tank (made of metal not plastic) and looks neat and sharp.

The packaging is excellent, in fact I think it may be packaged with the same material that PSA uses for it's speakers and subs. If I didnt know better I would swear that this came from PSA. The player even comes in it's own Oppo carrying tote that can be reused for other things if you want.

The manual is a thick book printed on high quality paper and it is very very thorough. It covers everything… in detail. It should answer all your questions and then some.

The 203 comes with a certified 4 foot HDCP 2.2 HDMI cable which is good because this unit is larger than my last blu-ray player so I had to move it's location to a point that is a little farther from my receiver and the 2 foot cable I had could not reach. Nice unexpected touch which allowed me to play with this today instead of running out to buy a longer cable.

The remote does light up but it takes picking it up or a push of a button to make it do so. Once lit it stays lit for 5 seconds. If you decide that is annoying you can disable it with the push of two buttons.

It came with a data disc with the latest firmware update. I suggest using it right away before you do any set up or tweaking because they suggest resetting to factory defaults after you update so you might as well do it first before you tweak anything.

Once I set up the network connection I didn't really see a need to tweak anything else because the defaults seem to be what I would set things to. But I'll take a deeper look at that once I play with it more.

Once I had everything ready I threw in my new 4K UHD disc of "The Martian". My first impression is WOW! The picture is stunningly beautiful. The Samsung itself already does a nice job of up converting most pictures but the Oppo playing 4k content takes it to another level (as it should). The details and colors are absolutely incredible…. it's mesmerizing.

Regarding the audio… I feel like the audio on this player is better, markedly better, than my older Sony player. I may be imagining this because everything about the experience today was great but I really believe the audio is that much better. I don't know how to describe the improvement but it's there and it's obvious.

I've include a picture of the packaging, the bag and the Oppo 203 in it's new home (it's the one in the middle that says "Home Menu").


Nice review Hopinater! They are built like a tank. Makes me want to order one even more. Just the sort of thing that some us want to hear. I believe that Jeffrey has one coming as well. I too thought that upgrading to an Oppo(103d) made the PSA speakers appreciated even more. Looks like some bugs to fix, but have you tried anything from a server or PC for movies that you may or may not have backed up? Now you can work on your ATMOS.....
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Nice review Hopinater! They are built like a tank. Makes me want to order one even more. Just the sort of thing that some us want to hear. I believe that Jeffrey has one coming as well. I too thought that upgrading to an Oppo(103d) made the PSA speakers appreciated even more. Looks like some bugs to fix, but have you tried anything from a server or PC for movies that you may or may not have backed up? Now you can work on your ATMOS.....
Read his review too. To me this is a lot like drug tests with placebos. Tell them it's helping or better and they believe it. Not saying the Oppo is not better in some ways over the typical blueray player but I would be interested in seeing a blind or double blind test for audio and video.

Unless the Oppo is running the darbee add on I can't "see " it having a better picture or audio than any other player.

We need a blueray player get together shoot out.
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Nice review Hopinater! They are built like a tank. Makes me want to order one even more. Just the sort of thing that some us want to hear. I believe that Jeffrey has one coming as well. I too thought that upgrading to an Oppo(103d) made the PSA speakers appreciated even more. Looks like some bugs to fix, but have you tried anything from a server or PC for movies that you may or may not have backed up? Now you can work on your ATMOS.....
Yeah Russ mine will be here tomorrow, looking forward to getting it, customer service has been very good so far with Oppo and I don't have the player yet. Didn't hear about any bugs that you described, any particular areas that need debugging. I guess the firmware updates are done with the data disc or is that for initial setup and future upgrades are done via download?

I'm expecting the picture quality to be top notch via the new video processor with capabilties for both HDR10 now and Dolby Vision early 2017, I don't know of any players capable of both formats yet and only high end Sony TVs as well. I'm just excited that I have a universal player that can handle just about any format out there and have to start building my library soon. I also like the 7.1 analog outputs which are auto engaged by default and can down mix to 2.1 stereo analog. Thanks Jim for the pics and mini review.

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Read his review too. To me this is a lot like drug tests with placebos. Tell them it's helping or better and they believe it. Not saying the Oppo is not better in some ways over the typical blueray player but I would be interested in seeing a blind or double blind test for audio and video.

Unless the Oppo is running the darbee add on I can't "see " it having a better picture or audio than any other player.

We need a blueray player get together shoot out.
Well I can see where you're coming from but then again that's true for this whole hobby in a lot of cases. I will say that for me this was little to no money out of pocket so I don't feel particularly compelled to convince myself that it's a lot better than my Sony blu-ray which I really like and have moved to the upstairs set up. I also think you missed the point. I wasn't just reviewing the Oppo, I was reviewing the new 4K Oppo while it was playing a 4K disc. I'll put a 4k player playing 4K discs on a 4K TV up against a blu-ray playing blu-rays on a standard 1080P without a second of hesitation.

So if you're saying that Oppo blu-ray players aren't any better than a Sony or Samsung (or whatever) blu-ray player and therefore aren't worth the extra cash… I have no problem with that. We each decide where we want to invest our money. Some buy separates others think that's a waste. To each their own. But if you're trying to tell me that a blu-ray player can produce the same picture quality as a 4K player… I'll have to disagree. On that note, perhaps the Samsung 4K player does as good of a job as the Oppo, I hope it does. My point wasn't to say that Oppo was better than everybody else (and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that) my point was to share just how good of a job the Oppo does so those who are interested in the 203 can get some sort of idea about it. Personally I couldn't care less what 4K player anybody buys.

As far as build quality, I'll take the Oppo over the others from what I've seen.

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Well I can see where you're coming from but then again that's true for this whole hobby in a lot of cases. I will say that for me this was little to no money out of pocket so I don't feel particularly compelled to convince myself that it's a lot better than my Sony blu-ray which I really like and have moved to the upstairs set up. I also think you missed the point. I wasn't just reviewing the Oppo, I was reviewing the new 4K Oppo while it was playing a 4K disc. I'll put a 4k player playing 4K discs on a 4K TV up against a blu-ray playing blu-rays on a standard 1080P without a second of hesitation.

So if you're saying that Oppo blu-ray players aren't any better than a Sony or Samsung (or whatever) blu-ray player and therefore aren't worth the extra cash… I have no problem with that. We each decide where we want to invest our money. Some buy separates others think that's a waste. To each their own. But if you're trying to tell me that a blu-ray player can produce the same picture quality of a 4K player… I'll have to disagree. Perhaps the Samsung 4K player does as good of a job as the Oppo, I hope it does. My point wasn't to say that Oppo was better than everybody else (and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that) my point was to share just how good of a job the Oppo does so those who are interested in the 203 can get some sort of idea about it. Personally I couldn't care less what 4K player anybody buys.

As far as build quality, I'll take the Oppo over the others.
missed the 4k part.

What TV do you have?

If my AVR "ever" dies I might make the move to 4K but don't want to do a projector and would like at least an 80" screen. So far the 80" and up are still a little pricey.

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missed the 4k part.

What TV do you have?

If my AVR "ever" dies I might make the move to 4K but don't want to do a projector and would like at least an 80" screen. So far the 80" and up are still a little pricey.

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I have the Samsung 65KS9000 which I got for a steal at a Crutchfield Tent sale. Kini I have to say that going to a 4K TV was the move I'm most happy with. It takes normal source material and upscales the brightness and vividness of the picture to a point where it almost appears to be 4k. I got my 4K TV while I still had an older AVR (Denon CI3313) and it worked fine with the new Samsung.

I was hoping to get a 75 to 80" 4K TV but as you said, they are pricey…outrageously pricey. I was hoping they would come down but they still hover up there in high cost. To give you an idea, I got the Samsung for $1500 where as a 80" would have cost exponentially more.

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@lizrussspike I haven't found a bug yet. I think they probably just made a firmware update because they tweaked something post production.

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I have the Samsung 65KS9000 which I got for a steal at a Crutchfield Tent sale. Kini I have to say that going to a 4K TV was the move I'm most happy with. It takes normal source material and upscales the brightness and vividness of the picture to a point where it almost appears to be 4k. I got my 4K TV while I still had an older AVR (Denon CI3313) and it worked fine with the new Samsung.

I was hoping to get a 75 to 80" 4K TV but as you said, they are pricey…outrageously pricey. I was hoping they would come down but they still hover up there in high cost. To give you an idea, I got the Samsung for $1500 where as a 80" would have cost exponentially more.
Costco had what seemed like a good deal on BF, a Samsung 75" 4K, not sure of the model for $2K.

My AVR won't pass a 4K signal but I guess the 4K upscaling would be a nice benefit. Now if only the Sony XB850 85" comes down to under $3K I'll be good. Like that'll ever happen anytime soon.

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Thanks Jim, that's good to know, I think it's best to ask what this player doesn't do rather then what it does. That really looks good in your rack, very nice indeed.........

What are you using for 4K streaming, the 203 has an HDMI input for streaming devices to take advantage of the 203's audio and video internal processing.

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