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I was just browsing Audioholics and noticed they have a preview of the new $8600 Funk Audio 18.2 dual 18 inch sealed sub with 9600 watts of power.

Here are CEA2010 numbers provided by Funk Audio (I summarized them)

20-32hz 116.6
40-63hz 125.1

Here are the CEA2010 numbers provided by PSA for the Triax:

20-31.5hz 116.4
40-63hz 127.1

All of the performance of the Funk audio for less than a third of the price!!!

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I was just browsing Audioholics and noticed they have a preview of the new $8600 Funk Audio 18.2 dual 18 inch sealed sub with 9600 watts of power.

Here are CEA2010 numbers provided by Funk Audio (I summarized them)

20-32hz 116.6
40-63hz 125.1

Here are the CEA2010 numbers provided by PSA for the Triax:

20-31.5hz 116.4
40-63hz 127.1

All of the performance of the Funk audio for less than a third of the price!!!

Dang that will make the Funk Audio fans cringe....

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I don't think funk does any multi driver compensation.

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=content&id=77

I'm almost sure we factored that in to the Triax(and xs30)

We use 2m rms and I think they do too. So just add 2dB to their data when comparing it to ours(or anything Josh has done).

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still even at that the triax is in the ball park of a 9k sub...thats amazing!

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Just as a PS: while overall performance is likely to be similar (and frankly, utterly over the top in both cases), one big difference is size: the 18.2 measures in at a relatively compact at 21" x 22" x 24", though it does require outboard amplification.

I think that's partly a function of the driver design I get the feeling that driver isn't made for large enclosures. But what I'm surprised about is they where actually able to pack that many pounds of Neodymium at any price. I can't see that sub being much of a money maker. Just from that alone.lol

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Keep in mind that regarding the "44 pound neodymium motor structure", 90% is steel per one of Mark Kravchenko's posts in that AH thread.

Ahh okay. thanks Steve I didn't read through all of that thread yet.

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Just as a PS: while overall performance is likely to be similar (and frankly, utterly over the top in both cases), one big difference is size: the 18.2 measures in at a relatively compact at 21" x 22" x 24", though it does require outboard amplification.


if you can get similar performance at 1/3 the cost i believe its a no brainer for 90% of enthusiasts....i would gladly take the larger sub and not have to worry about placement of the amplifier.

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Hi Jason,

Doesn't sound like we're too far apart.

I have not done any measurements as this is a temp setup - the exact layout of the room is yet to be determined. Lack the equipment to do so anyways since I have other rooms to finish up first. Your gear & expertise would be really helpful and interesting for us to play with.

The system is being built for just one listener, so all I have is one chair setup 8-10 feet away from speakers. Final position would be about 12-13 feet depending on projector.

Tactile feel depends on several factors. The way my room is, I can only get 1 sub in a corner. If I do that, it does get super loud but I feel as though it gets more directional. Currently I have two subs midwall, will attach a picture to my next post. Even with this, I do get a decent amount of tactile feel if I crank the volume. It is enough to feel and give you a headache and then some. While the concrete doesn't transmit a ton of feel like with a subfloor, I can tell that there is some movement. The subs are on a wall that borders the stairs going up. Just a week or two of playing apparently was enough to crack the caulk line of the baseboard going up.

I'd imagine near field placement is possible - but scary smile.gif

Again you're more than welcome to drop by. Another member in the area has PM'd and I am going to invite him over whenever he'd like.

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Hi there and thanks for the invite!

I'm in the Portsmouth area, so a few hours from you, but we're both right on the river, eh? wink.gif

Have you measured your response?

Do you get any tactile feel? How close is your MLP to your subs and where are your subs currently located?

If I get to Cincy any time soon, I'll PM you and maybe can bring my measuring gear.

I'm waiting on Tom's new announcement this week, but I'm thinking more and more about trying to add a ported sub to the mix and see if it can be done in my room (mixing the two sealed Empire's I have with an XV30f) because I really want that tactile sensation/couch shaking.

Obviously, with the size rooms we have and with our rooms having concrete floors, we aren't gonna shake the floors, but I've heard of others with big rooms and concrete floors having setups that still get their pants flapping.

Would love to talk to you more about your setup, observations, what you had before the XV30's, etc.

Thanks again for the invite and I look forward to speaking with you more soon.

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Sure, but I'd expect that Funk isn't exactly targeting Joe Sixpack with the 18.2 either wink.gif

I dont think the Triax targets joe six pack either. btw If you love Funk audio so much move over to that thread....oh thats right not much going on there...hmmm wonder why wink.gif

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Not exactly, but the price point alone gives it much broader appeal/accessibility.
I don't have any special love for Funk, though I can respect their product and understand that the target market for the 18.2 isn't the exact same as that for the Triax. I can also understand that if the difference in cost isn't as big of a concern that someone might prefer/choose the size/aesthetic of the 18.2.

tru that...however I was just agreeing with what was previously mentioned by another member. In the end thats why multiple companies are in business to suit folks needs and expectations. some want bang for the buck, others want compact size with exotic materials, then there is the few that want the most expensive piece of euipment money can buy just for bragging rights. I say go with what ever turns your cank, floats your boat, or wets the whistle.

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Who's the one who has a Klipsch RW-12D and paired it with a PSA-XV15? I want to know how it worked out? I might end up buying a XV15 since I can't get a break to be able to save enough for the XV30F.
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I'm not worried if PSA wants to take on the 5-10k sub game they can. Power is no longer a concern. Remember speaker power has a 6k plate amp and their dual channel rack mount amps with DSP's are also an option. And I'm sure PSA could build some stupid overbuilt 18's maybe in the same arrangement as the Triax maybe with neo magnets and Rochell / composite cones...ete

I'm actually more interested in the veneered wood finishes. They sound nice.

Edit:

I just was just thinking anyone looking for B stock subs might be in luck. I'm sure the Triax trade up program will bring in some good b stock.

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Who's the one who has a Klipsch RW-12D and paired it with a PSA-XV15? I want to know how it worked out? I might end up buying a XV15 since I can't get a break to be able to save enough for the XV30F.

There is a XV15b in stock if you want to save a few bucks.
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There is a XV15b in stock if you want to save a few bucks.

I would get it quick B stock doesn't stick around long.

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I just was just thinking anyone looking for B stock subs might be in luck. I'm sure the Triax trade up program will bring in some good b stock.

I was just thinking the same thing.

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This would be a great line to have one with 3 10" drivers & another one with 3 12" drivers to choose from! biggrin.gif

I was thinking about this a bit. I figure if the sub can make at least 1.5 of an XS30. In that spending more than a XS30 makes sense. I don't know if 10's would be strong enough, or worth the effort. But the 12's might be a good option to bridge between the xs30 and the Triax. Maybe with the 2400 amp and three high power 12's. I don't know if they could go bigger though to 18's without using neodymium. Because three high quality 18's would be heavy. at their already at nearly 200 pounds.
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With all this talk of the new Triax I've been falling in love with my dual XS15 setup more with every movie I watch. I watched Dredd tonight & I was loving the sweet tight bass that they were pumping out, damn I love these subs! biggrin.gif

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I am probably going to order a Triax but if anyone near the central Ky area is going to return dual XV30s or XS30s for the Triax I might purchase yours, pm me if this interests anyone. Thanks
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With all this talk of the new Triax I've been falling in love with my dual XS15 setup more with every movie I watch.

Have you measured you system's subwoofer output and do you plan to add a third XS15 as I'm looking to a three XS15 solution or a mix of two XS15's coupled to a SVS, PC-12 NSD.

The reason I'm looking to add a column subwoofer (mixing-n-matching) is because it digs deeper than most vented subs in it's price class and because of the column design will compliment a pair of XS15's as the column form factor, where it would be placed, will look the best (aesthetics) when replacing one of our existing subwoofers..
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Have you measured you system's subwoofer output and do you plan to add a third XS15 as I'm looking to a three XS15 solution or a mix of two XS15's coupled to a SVS, PC-12 NSD.

The reason I'm looking to add a column subwoofer (mixing-n-matching) is because it digs deeper than most vented subs in it's price class and because of the column design will compliment a pair of XS15's as the column form factor, where it would be placed, will look the best (aesthetics) when replacing one of our existing subwoofers..

I would go with 3 xs15's that way they match, your not limited to the pc12's port tunes, and 3 of them should provide extension down to the 10-14hz range depending on room gain.

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I would go with 3 xs15's that way they match, your not limited to the pc12's port tunes, and 3 of them should provide extension down to the 10-14hz range depending on room gain.

Agreeing with you when I post; enters the disruptive face of aesthetics: form over factor.
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Agreeing with you when I post; enters the disruptive face of aesthetics: form over factor.

Yes I understand but my only concern would be mixing and matching ported/sealed subs. If asthetics is a concern for the one sub, I would go with 2 XV15's and 1 PC-12NSD. As I am sure you seen my graph, good out put into the 10-14hz range is achievable even with the xv15 18hz port tune.

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Yes I understand but my only concern would be mixing and matching ported/sealed subs. If asthetics is a concern for the one sub, I would go with 2 XV15's and 1 PC-12NSD. As I am sure you seen my graph, good out put into the 10-14hz range is achievable even with the xv15 18hz port tune.

I'm doing it for the WAF as yes, agreed, three XS15's is much more desirable then mixing-n-matching. In the end, agreed, it will be wise to suck it up (the guilt) and go with a matched set.

Due to her willingness to accommodates me and the subwoofers, I so try to make the wife happy.

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I'm doing it for the WAF as yes, agreed, three XS15's is much more desirable then mixing-n-matching. In the end, agreed, it will be wise to suck it up (the guilt) and go with a matched set.

Due to her willingness to accommodates me and the subwoofers, I so try to make the wife happy.

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I'm not sure if I'm following the conversation accurately but if the plan is using a XS15(or two) with the pb12nsd....I wouldn't recommend that. The XS15 has a relatively shallow rolloff extending all the way down to 10hz or so. The pb12nsd has very steep filtering (48dB/octave or so) starting around 22hz. leaving out the issues of stored ringing, group delay, etc with the pb12nsd....just the significantly different rolloffs will likely cause integration issues.

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I'm not worried if PSA wants to take on the 5-10k sub game they can. Power is no longer a concern. Remember speaker power has a 6k plate amp and their dual channel rack mount amps with DSP's are also an option. And I'm sure PSA could build some stupid overbuilt 18's maybe in the same arrangement as the Triax maybe with neo magnets and Rochell / composite cones...ete

I'm actually more interested in the veneered wood finishes. They sound nice.

Edit:

I just was just thinking anyone looking for B stock subs might be in luck. I'm sure the Triax trade up program will bring in some good b stock.


I don't believe the next product we introduce will be a subwoofer.

Also, I know we're running behind on website updates. If you want a picture of the different wood options send me an email (support@powersoundaudio.com) and I can at least send a average resolution "group shot" of the samples I have on my desk at the moment.

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Sure, but I'd expect that Funk isn't exactly targeting Joe Sixpack with the 18.2 either wink.gif.

I'll have a three musketeers, ball point pen, comb, bottle of old harper, Triax subwoofer, couple of flashlight batteries, oh and this beef jerky...rolleyes.gif

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