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All you guys and your new/upgraded subs has me tossing around the idea of selling off what I got and getting quad V3601s.

Not that my current subs leave me wanting, I just know that with that much ported power I would get a lot more tactile response (in my huge, concrete slab living room).
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Hacksaw Ridge at -10mv shaking a picture in my living room
It's funny you posted this. I just finished watching Hacksaw Ridge and out of the corner of my eye I kept seeing something moving. I looked over and it was the picture on the wall wobbling back and forth. I started watching that for awhile and missed part of the movie (no worries, I went back and saw what I missed).

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All you guys and your new/upgraded subs has me tossing around the idea of selling off what I got and getting quad V3601s.

Not that my current subs leave me wanting, I just know that with that much ported power I would get a lot more tactile response (in my huge, concrete slab living room).
Far be it from me to encourage behavior like upgrading subwoofers. But I will say this, I'm experiencing more tactile response from the V3601's over the V3600's. The couch is shaking more than it did before and the V3600's did a nice job of shaking my couch.

Alan, how much tactile response are you getting with your current set up?

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Far be it from me to encourage behavior like upgrading subwoofers. But I will say this, I'm experiencing more tactile response from the V3601's over the V3600's. The couch is shaking more than it did before and the V3600's did a nice job of shaking my couch.

Alan, how much tactile response are you getting with your current set up?
Pshaww, your v3600 (and Darian97s)is doing a fine job of shaking the couch Now if it wouldn't do such a good job of shaking the plastic window frame outlines in my windows, I would be grateful.
It does make for a fun demo though...
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Alan, how much tactile response are you getting with your current set up?
Actually, quite a bit...however, I have absolutely nothing to compare it to...I know literally one other guy who is into HT and he "only" has dual 15s.

My TR improved after adding a ported MBM (1200D) directly behind my chair, but I'm the kind of person that always has that nagging feeling that I could be missing out on more.


Not probably going to happen anyways, I live in a pretty small town and I don't think I'm going to find anyone to buy my subs for anything near what I would need to get for them to make this a viable plan.

I just need to stop reading this thread and I'll be fine.
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All you guys and your new/upgraded subs has me tossing around the idea of selling off what I got and getting quad V3601s.

Not that my current subs leave me wanting, I just know that with that much ported power I would get a lot more tactile response (in my huge, concrete slab living room).
You could trade in your dual S3000I for dual S3601's and then u would have 4 Triax from 25hz and below. Would the extra 3db be worth it? Is trading all your subs in for 4 V3601 worth it as only a few seconds/minutes of a movie involves that desired range. Keep us informed Alan!!!!

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Actually, quite a bit...however, I have absolutely nothing to compare it to...I know literally one other guy who is into HT and he "only" has dual 15s.

My TR improved after adding a ported MBM (1200D) directly behind my chair, but I'm the kind of person that always has that nagging feeling that I could be missing out on more.


Not probably going to happen anyways, I live in a pretty small town and I don't think I'm going to find anyone to buy my subs for anything near what I would need to get for them to make this a viable plan.

I just need to stop reading this thread and I'll be fine.
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Yup, and that was my mantra when I bought the subs I got.
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I think I am leaning towards the V1801s as well. My only concern is that I will be building an entertainment center around them, which will result in them being hidden in the cabinet. Because of this they may not get enough air for the port? The nice thing is I will be building the entertainment center myself so can I design them to help as much as possible. The problem is the cabinet door will still be in front of the sub as close as possible so the cabinets will not stick out too far. Perhaps I can get the boss's approval of using a small cutout at the bottom with mesh to allow more air for the port.
You are planning on having your subwoofers enclosed in a cabinet? I wouldn't think that would work very well even with a sealed subwoofer. You'd just be rattling the cabinet, I would think. I hope you're not planning on doing that with the speakers. It would be even worse for them. Although you could probably get away with doing cutouts and covering them with speaker grill cloth. I'd do that for the subwoofers as well.

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Yup, and that was my mantra when I bought the subs I got.
The beauty is that still applies!
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So my review of the S3601 is as follows below.

10X Coors, 2X 110 Mt, 1X Mt-110C, 2X 110 MTSR, 2X S1801, 1X S3601, 1X Stevie Ray Vaughn Little Wing = Closest thing this atheist has to a religious experience





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Actually, quite a bit...however, I have absolutely nothing to compare it to...I know literally one other guy who is into HT and he "only" has dual 15s.

My TR improved after adding a ported MBM (1200D) directly behind my chair, but I'm the kind of person that always has that nagging feeling that I could be missing out on more.


Not probably going to happen anyways, I live in a pretty small town and I don't think I'm going to find anyone to buy my subs for anything near what I would need to get for them to make this a viable plan.

I just need to stop reading this thread and I'll be fine.
Yeah I thought I remembered you getting that MBM. I'll go on record and say I wouldn't do it the switch. And to be perfectly honest, I don't think you would notice a difference anyway because you already have an incredible arsenal in your HT. Plus you have that MBM in your back pounding away. In short you have a gold standard set up, the V3601's wouldn't change much if anything.
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So my review of the S3601 is as follows below.

10X Coors, 2X 110 Mt, 1X Mt-110C, 2X 110 MTSR, 2X S1801, 1X S3601, 1X Stevie Ray Vaughn Little Wing = Closest thing this atheist has to a religious experience





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LOL… how do you remember it with the 10 Coors under your belt?

That's a lot of fire power in that room. Pretty nice set up.

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So my review of the S3601 is as follows below.

10X Coors, 2X 110 Mt, 1X Mt-110C, 2X 110 MTSR, 2X S1801, 1X S3601, 1X Stevie Ray Vaughn Little Wing = Closest thing this atheist has to a religious experience
Oh great, I had pretty much resigned that 2 s3601's would not fit well where I have the 2 S3000i-as stands for 2 210's and yes I know that symmetrical isnt the best for subs.

But 2 S1801's would fit just fine and an S3601 where my old XS30 was-mid wall and a great FR spot for a sub

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Me too. IF this were to happen it would cost me a kitchen and probably bathroom remodel
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All you guys and your new/upgraded subs has me tossing around the idea of selling off what I got and getting quad V3601s.

Not that my current subs leave me wanting, I just know that with that much ported power I would get a lot more tactile response (in my huge, concrete slab living room).
If only I lived closer! Want to meet in Utah? My wife has been asking for a vacation.

Seriously though, why not just get TT/MAs?

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So my review of the S3601 is as follows below.

10X Coors, 2X 110 Mt, 1X Mt-110C, 2X 110 MTSR, 2X S1801, 1X S3601, 1X Stevie Ray Vaughn Little Wing = Closest thing this atheist has to a religious experience





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None taken… except for the Coors!

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All you guys and your new/upgraded subs has me tossing around the idea of selling off what I got and getting quad V3601s.

Not that my current subs leave me wanting, I just know that with that much ported power I would get a lot more tactile response (in my huge, concrete slab living room).
It really is hard to beat ported unless you build one serious sealed system. I would say sell the 2 3000i and get 2 3601 to go with your dual T18HT but it would be much more cost effective to go quad V3601...And ported is just flat out violent when it comes to tactile sensation. I know when I hit 127db playing the FOTP barrel roll scene, it about makes your heart skip a beat from all the shaking combined with the SPL.

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Far be it from me to encourage behavior like upgrading subwoofers. But I will say this, I'm experiencing more tactile response from the V3601's over the V3600's. The couch is shaking more than it did before and the V3600's did a nice job of shaking my couch.

Alan, how much tactile response are you getting with your current set up?
Hop bro your making me want to send my dual s3000 to psa and upgrade to dual v3601s. how big is your room? what kind of upgrade would i be looking at making that upgrade? the s3000i are great but tactile feel and this could be due to my room/ setup methods room treatment is kind of lacking. i say kind of cause these monsters slam i was thinking of adding 2 more to go quad. im gonna have to send the t18 back unfortunatley cant justify it in my room which sucks but now i want to try vented so well see

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Hop bro your making me want to send my dual s3000 to psa and upgrade to dual v3601s. how big is your room? what kind of upgrade would i be looking at making that upgrade? the s3000i are great but tactile feel and this could be due to my room/ setup methods room treatment is kind of lacking. i say kind of cause these monsters slam i was thinking of adding 2 more to go quad. im gonna have to send the t18 back unfortunatley cant justify it in my room which sucks but now i want to try vented so well see
Was the T18HT way bigger than you imagined? Maybe I can arrange direct shipment from you to me!

Remind me, what are the dimensions of your room? Sealed or open to other rooms? Upstairs or downstairs? Concrete slab or wood foundation?

S3000s & S3601s have an advantage of hitting single digits with room gain. Adding Tactile Tranducers or Motion Actuators can give you the extra tactile feedback you get from ported subs.

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You guys with the v3600-(1) have any issues with power outlets? I know this is a powerful sub and want to know if I'd be better off just running a separate line. Thanks
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You guys with the v3600-(1) have any issues with power outlets? I know this is a powerful sub and want to know if I'd be better off just running a separate line. Thanks
I've never had a problem with either the V3600's or the V3601's. I have them running off different outlets but outlets are on the same circuit.
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You guys with the v3600-(1) have any issues with power outlets? I know this is a powerful sub and want to know if I'd be better off just running a separate line. Thanks
If you're able to, I'd definitely add a separate line now just for your subwoofer/future proofing. You can pull 2,400-3,600 watts from a 20-30 amp line. I think "normal" people without 4,000 watt amps or multiple very powerful subs are generally OK on a single 20 amp line (15-20 amps is the norm for regular house lines)...but most of us aren't normal. 😃

Running your whole system hard on a 20 amp line can easily push the limit, and you may run into overload territory. Also, an electrician can rewire your circuit breaker and help spread the load across multiple lines if you run into power issues, dimming house lights, breaker trips, etc.
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It really is hard to beat ported unless you build one serious sealed system. I would say sell the 2 3000i and get 2 3601 to go with your dual T18HT but it would be much more cost effective to go quad V3601...And ported is just flat out violent when it comes to tactile sensation. I know when I hit 127db playing the FOTP barrel roll scene, it about makes your heart skip a beat from all the shaking combined with the SPL.
Hmmmm. Perhaps I was wrong Alan. Because what Bass says is true. A powerful ported sub being pushed can be a bit violent (in the best way possible). And one V3601 (or V3600) alone is something to be reckoned with. But when they start running in packs of two, three or four they a unleash a frightening fury of destructive force. In short, if you bring that into your home... you've called forth and unleashed the Kraken!
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I've never had a problem with either the V3600's or the V3601's. I have them running off different outlets but outlets are on the same circuit.
Wow, you run your whole system off one line and haven't had any breaker issues with your dual V36? You on a 20 amp line? Maybe you just don't like bass Hop. 😉

In the past, I've tripped my 20 amp once and had my lights dim quite a bit during bass heavy scenes...this was with my previous three sub setup. Now I'm running the two V1800, two MBMs, the transducers + amp, and the TV + AVR all on the same circuit and haven't had any issues.

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I run all my gear off of 1 15amp line. The biggest improvement in reducing load on the system was moving to High Efficiency speakers and ditching the power amp. I also freed up about 400 watts switching to led lighting instead of incandescent.
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I run 4 Triax's on one 15a circuit without tripping the breaker. Tom told me the ratio before but with 4 they each pull a fraction of the power that one would.
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I run 4 Triax's on one 15a circuit without tripping the breaker. Tom told me the ratio before but with 4 they each pull a fraction of the power that one would.
Yes precisely....You are using 4 times the cone area, less excursion, and less amp power to hit the same levels as a single. Now if you run all 4 Triax's at their limits then you would be drawing some serious amperage, but I imagine that would be 135db + and they probably do not get driven that hard often anyway.
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Yes precisely....You are using 4 times the cone area, less excursion, and less amp power to hit the same levels as a single. Now if you run all 4 Triax's at their limits then you would be drawing some serious amperage, but I imagine that would be 135db + and they probably do not get driven that hard often anyway.
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Yes precisely....You are using 4 times the cone area, less excursion, and less amp power to hit the same levels as a single. Now if you run all 4 Triax's at their limits then you would be drawing some serious amperage, but I imagine that would be 135db + and they probably do not get driven that hard often anyway.
Good to know the real world power draw isn't as high for everyone. Makes sense having more headroom draws less power, probably why I've previously ran into power issues pushing the system hard in my large room.

Preferably, dual V3601 would suit my room and bass needs better, but those are unWAFable until I have a dedicated space. The absurd amount of tactile bass the Crowsons add below 45Hz has led me to run my V1800's less hot, so I think I'll be OK. 😃

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Anyone on the fence over a sealed PSA sub, now is the time. Looks like they have 3 XS15-se, 3 S1500, and 4 S3600 in the outlet. Someone is going to get a steal of a deal here!

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