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That v1801 looks really good. I'm surprised its smaller than the cap 1400. Question about the grill....how much clearance do you have between cone and grill when its in place? Maybe pics of the rear of amp as well?
It's significantly smaller then a Cap 118 or 1400 and smaller then a FV15HP or VTF15.2. not sure on clearance but I will get a pic of the rear tonight.
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Has no one here bought an S3601???? I've seen almost every other sub commented on but not that one.

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Has no one here bought an S3601???? I've seen almost every other sub commented on but not that one.
Ohhh, trust me. There are some bass freaks here with like 4 of them. Puts my solo V1801 to shame.

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Hi,

You aren't doing anything wrong at all. When Audyssey or other systems of automated (or manual) calibration set channel levels, the goal is to make all channels (including the .1 channel) play at the same volume at the MLP. But, 5.1 movies are recorded to be in overall acoustic balance at approximately Reference level volumes (0.0 MV). And, due to the nature of the way our hearing works, we don't hear bass frequencies, and particularly those below about 200Hz, as well as frequencies in our more normal hearing range.

So, when we watch movies at below Reference volumes, bass frequencies fall off faster than other frequencies, and we need to boost those bass frequencies back up to levels which are in equilibrium with the frequencies that we hear better. There is definitely a preference component to this, and there are also differences in our ability to hear specific frequencies. But, the need to add a sub boost post-Audyssey at below Reference listening levels is normal and is in fact pretty universal. If you want to understand all of this better, there is a subwoofer guide in my signature that explains it in more detail.

Note: For people who employ DEQ (which adds it's own bass boost), an additional sub boost of +3 to +6 seems to be pretty typical. For people who do not use DEQ, boosts of 10 to 15db are not unusual.

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Awesome, thanks!

I read the link in your signature. So, would you say it's better to have sub gain of 50% and a sub trim of -6 vs a sub gain of 30% and a trim of 0? Either way yielding the same SPL? Is there something inherently better with having higher gain?
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Added pics of amp. Also there is quite a bit of clearance between the grill fabric and driver. I am guessing 3/4".
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Added pics of amp. Also there is quite a bit of clearance between the grill fabric and driver. I am guessing 3/4".
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Has no one here bought an S3601???? I've seen almost every other sub commented on but not that one.
Just do it!!!!!! Get duals and post a review
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Awesome, thanks!

I read the link in your signature. So, would you say it's better to have sub gain of 50% and a sub trim of -6 vs a sub gain of 30% and a trim of 0? Either way yielding the same SPL? Is there something inherently better with having higher gain?
You are very welcome! As a matter of best practice, I think it is preferable to use the sub amp more and the AVR amp less. So, I would prefer to have my sub amp at 50% and a low trim level (of about -5). That is, in fact, what I do. And, in theory at least, for reasons explained in the guide, that reduces the possibility of clipping the bass signal and gives the sub an easier ride.

Whether it would make any practical or audible difference in a particular situation is a different question. But, it's a pretty simple precaution to take. And, I think it is like trying to preserve some additional headroom in your regular channels, or trying to set crossovers a half octave or so above the F3 point of those channels. We may or may not notice an audible difference, but that isn't to say that there couldn't be a difference, particularly depending on our listening level or low frequency content, at any given moment.

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You are very welcome! As a matter of best practice, I think it is preferable to use the sub amp more and the AVR amp less. So, I would prefer to have my sub amp at 50% and a low trim level (of about -5). That is, in fact, what I do. And, in theory at least, for reasons explained in the guide, that reduces the possibility of clipping the bass signal and gives the sub an easier ride.

Whether it would make any practical or audible difference in a particular situation is a different question. But, it's a pretty simple precaution to take. And, I think it is like trying to preserve some additional headroom in your regular channels, or trying to set crossovers a half octave or so above the F3 point of those channels. We may or may not notice an audible difference, but that isn't to say that there couldn't be a difference, particularly depending on our listening level or low frequency content, at any given moment.

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Since we're on this topic, would you say it's good that audyssey set both my trims at -7.5 and I bumped them up 5 for a final trim of -2.5? Is that enough below 0 to avoid any clipping etc? I haven't noticed anything bad.
Sub gains are a touch above 9 o'clock.
Honestly I was just happy both trims were even lol
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Since we're on this topic, would you say it's good that audyssey set both my trims at -7.5 and I bumped them up 5 for a final trim of -2.5? Is that enough below 0 to avoid any clipping etc? I haven't noticed anything bad.
Sub gains are a touch above 9 o'clock.
Honestly I was just happy both trims were even lol
I have tested running negative, 0, and positive. On one of my older Yamaha V AVR's, I would get clipping at levels up around reference if the sub trim was 0 or above. On my last 2 Yamaha A series I have not had any clipping issues even at 0 with volume levels +5. Which is nice because the auto on feature works better with a 0 sub trim setting.
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Does anyone else get audible noises from the sub if they touch (with their hand) any of the amp controls (power switch, knobs, etc) while it is on and plugged in to LFE? Is that normal?

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Does anyone else get audible noises from the sub if they touch (with their hand) any of the amp controls (power switch, knobs, etc) while it is on and plugged in to LFE? Is that normal?
yea some of the ICE amps do that if your finger touches the small screws next to the gain dial while touching any of the controls.
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Since we're on this topic, would you say it's good that audyssey set both my trims at -7.5 and I bumped them up 5 for a final trim of -2.5? Is that enough below 0 to avoid any clipping etc? I haven't noticed anything bad.
Sub gains are a touch above 9 o'clock.
Honestly I was just happy both trims were even lol
I think you should be in good shape at -2.5. I also like to get my gains and trims to about the same setting, if possible. I don't want to make it seem as if bad things are necessarily going to happen, if we set trim levels to 0.0 or higher. As Basshead's specific experience shows, it can vary even in the same room, and with similar listening levels, depending on the subs or the AVR in use at the time.

But, if we are close to about 0.0 in trim level, and we can get our subs to turn on automatically with a lower trim setting, then it is awfully easy to raise both sub gains by the same amount, in order to lower the trim levels as a precaution.
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Great pics @basshead81

I was on the fence for a long while about adding another PSA sub, and decided I don't really need one just yet. I'll live vicariously through y'all for a good bit longer.

As I watch the movie Don't Breathe again at -8, it's a reminder of how ridiculously awesome my current setup is. This soundtrack just pounds!

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@Sekosche how are you liking the SVS sats for Atmos, do you have them wall mounted near the ceiling. I'm trying to get an idea how Atmos speakers would sound with a slant box design mounted on wall near ceiling as opposed to direct on ceiling mounted speakers. If I go on ceiling I would use a conventional box but if the slants sound good the way you have them I may consider that as well, (on wall near ceiling). Thanks.
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For reading REW graphs, what's the best smoothing?

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For bass measurements don't use any smoothing.
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I seriously can't fathom how you guys with the big dawg subs can stand it. Currently watching Mad Max at -12 and my kidneys feel like they're going to explode! This is only with a 15v and v1500 lol!!
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@Sekosche how are you liking the SVS sats for Atmos, do you have them wall mounted near the ceiling. I'm trying to get an idea how Atmos speakers would sound with a slant box design mounted on wall near ceiling as opposed to direct on ceiling mounted speakers. If I go on ceiling I would use a conventional box but if the slants sound good the way you have them I may consider that as well, (on wall near ceiling). Thanks.
I have a 15' vaulted ceiling, so I'm able to mount mine high on the wall and that helps a lot with separation, but does push these speakers to their limit at spirited volumes (with my amp anyway).

The satellites sound just fine for Atmos duty, and I mainly chose them for ease of mounting, cost, and suspected sound quality. They're not a sonic match with the PSA's on their own, but for Atmos duty, they're admirable. If you're able to ceiling mount, I'd go that route for the best possible experience; there are many setup options that work well for Atmos, just have to put in the work. Getting decent Atmos sound is definitely worth the added integration effort.

Good luck!
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I seriously can't fathom how you guys with the big dawg subs can stand it. Currently watching Mad Max at -12 and my kidneys feel like they're going to explode! This is only with a 15v and v1500 lol!!
This is my favorite demo movie!
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I seriously can't fathom how you guys with the big dawg subs can stand it. Currently watching Mad Max at -12 and my kidneys feel like they're going to explode! This is only with a 15v and v1500 lol!!
Well to be honest, after I watch MMFR I usually stagger out of the room like I've just had my butt kicked by five guys in a bar brawl. But it was just my two V3601's beating up on me.

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Well to be honest, after I watch MMFR I usually stagger out of the room like I've just had my butt kicked by five guys in a bar brawl. But it was just my two V3601's beating up on me.
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Wow, that's a phenomenal review. He struggles to find any faults with the 2.1 PSA setup, and brings up many good points we've recently discussed in the forums. Great review @imagic .

I love that he doesn't present specific design choices as a negative, such as frequency response, finish, size/weight.
That's high praise for sure!

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I have a 15' vaulted ceiling, so I'm able to mount mine high on the wall and that helps a lot with separation, but does push these speakers to their limit at spirited volumes (with my amp anyway).

The satellites sound just fine for Atmos duty, and I mainly chose them for ease of mounting, cost, and suspected sound quality. They're not a sonic match with the PSA's on their own, but for Atmos duty, they're admirable. If you're able to ceiling mount, I'd go that route for the best possible experience; there are many setup options that work well for Atmos, just have to put in the work. Getting decent Atmos sound is definitely worth the added integration effort.

Good luck!
Thanks for the reply, I was mainly concerned how wall mounted slant boxes near ceiling would work, not so much the SVS speakers themselves just the mounting method. I'm deciding between box design, the slants on wall near ceiling won't work for me as my ceilings are around 8'.5" high. I was hoping you had similar height dimensions and could share your impressions, if I had your ceiling height it would be a no brainer but I don't.

I'll be using the Volt 6 conventional ported boxes, I have to come up with a DIY mount as my ceilings are concrete with steel beams for support. I may have to hire someone to put these up, my age dictates that, I was hoping to take the easy way out with wall mounting near the ceiling but that's a no go....anyway thanks my friend for the reply.

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Wow, that's a phenomenal review. He struggles to find any faults with the 2.1 PSA setup, and brings up many good points we've recently discussed in the forums. Great review @imagic .

I love that he doesn't present specific design choices as a negative, such as frequency response, finish, size/weight.
That's high praise for sure!
Yeah Mark seems like a really good guy who knows what he's talking about. Now that the review is done maybe he can get back to working out the bugs in the Denon Multi Q app which I'm eagerly awaiting on.
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That scene's bass takes brutal and violent to a whole new level, and I love the way it feels like your house/body is about to rip in half. The graph for that movie has the highest peaks I think I've seen of any movie, and it really shows in those scenes. I think the overall mix and muffled dialogue holds this film back from getting more love, but it's easily one of my top 10 bass demos.

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