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In all seriousness I think the four you have right now should be able to be dialed in and work fine. But you're right, in order to do that you need to go the REW route.

So, from what I'm gathering from reading your posts is there are really just two options.
1. Keep the four you have, save the money on returning subs and use that money to buy what you need to get REW up and running. And then pursue learning REW.

OR

2. Go with just two subs (it sounds like the V3601's have caught your eye) and just set them and forget them and sit back and enjoy a few beers and watch some movies.

BUT... it doesn't sound like you are into option one and it also sounds like the thought of option two is more appealing to you (I could be wrong). It's your money and your system so you should do what you want but I'll go on record and say IMO option one is the cheapest and it's best to learn REW. So I would push for option one…. Having said that, I understand being tempted by the V3601s. And I have no regrets having gone that route.
I actually think that Option 2 could be better in the long run, as he will have two very powerful subs in place, with the least fuss, and can always add another one later if he chooses. So, I like the idea of going with dual V3601's. But then, I typically like the idea of going to larger subs first, and then to more of them as circumstances dictate.

I also thought that Marc's generous offer to come over and help him dial-in the four subs he has might be worth pursuing for its own sake. Many of us who have gone beyond dual subs have found that the additional bass envelopment we get is worth having in itself. He might want to take advantage of Marc's offer, if Marc really doesn't mind coming over, just to experience what it would be like to have four properly calibrated subs. Then, armed with that knowledge for the future, he could still trade for the dual V3601's. But, knowing how good multiple bass sources can sound, might influence his future HT acquisitions.

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In all seriousness I think the four you have right now should be able to be dialed in and work fine. But you're right, in order to do that you need to go the REW route.

So, from what I'm gathering from reading your posts is there are really just two options.
1. Keep the four you have, save the money on returning subs and use that money to buy what you need to get REW up and running. And then pursue learning REW.

OR

2. Go with just two subs (it sounds like the V3601's have caught your eye) and just set them and forget them and sit back and enjoy a few beers and watch some movies.

BUT... it doesn't sound like you are into option one and it also sounds like the thought of option two is more appealing to you (I could be wrong). It's your money and your system so you should do what you want but I'll go on record and say IMO option one is the cheapest and it's best to learn REW. So I would push for option one…. Having said that, I understand being tempted by the V3601s. And I have no regrets having gone that route.
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I actually think that Option 2 could be better in the long run, as he will have two very powerful subs in place, with the least fuss, and can always add another one later if he chooses. So, I like the idea of going with dual V3601's. But then, I typically like the idea of going to larger subs first, and then to more of them as circumstances dictate.

I also thought that Marc's generous offer to come over and help him dial-in the four subs he has might be worth pursuing for its own sake. Many of us who have gone beyond dual subs have found that the additional bass envelopment we get is worth having in itself. He might want to take advantage of Marc's offer, if Marc really doesn't mind coming over, just to experience what it would be like to have four properly calibrated subs. Then, armed with that knowledge for the future, he could still trade for the dual V3601's. But, knowing how good multiple bass sources can sound, might influence his future HT acquisitions.

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Ok update...........Talked with Tom , I send the V15's back this weekend , mainly because ive been lagging , and sending the 1801's back......Im basically getting the 2 3601's without any charge....Given my listening habits and future plans...........Thoughts????

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My thoughts: awesome and congratulations! 👏👏👏
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Ok update...........Talked with Tom , I send the V15's back this weekend , mainly because ive been lagging , and sending the 1801's back......Im basically getting the 2 3601's without any charge....Given my listening habits and future plans...........Thoughts????
Thoughts? My thoughts are NICE JOB!!!

And welcome to the wonderful world of dual V3601s. It's a nice place to live.
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It's been awhile since I've been to the PSA website so I just now noticed that the T18HT is no longer listed (!?). I didn't see any discussion in the thread about this...was it discussed at all??
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Thoughts? My thoughts are NICE JOB!!!

And welcome to the wonderful world of dual V3601s. It's a nice place to live.
Crap....DAMN you AVS Forums!!! ..... I mean if it was actually costing me anything besides what Ive already paid , then I would blame you guys.....But , I have noone to blame but myself lol.....Welp , ill see how this goes lol...
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It's been awhile since I've been to the PSA website so I just now noticed that the T18HT is no longer listed (!?). I didn't see any discussion in the thread about this...was it discussed at all??

Tom and Jim are working on a new flagship model. Mentioned a while back. No real details.
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Tom and Jim are working on a new flagship model. Mentioned a while back. No real details.
Tom did say it was sealed....I dont remember if there was a mention of size....Id have to guess in the 20's no??? He was toying around with the 21" a few days ago tuning it....

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Im leaving this work dungeon , everyone have a good weekend of PSA Sub-ing , or whatever else may be vibrating your pant leg!!!! Actually that sounds odd , but ill leave it anyway
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Ok update...........Talked with Tom , I send the V15's back this weekend , mainly because ive been lagging , and sending the 1801's back......Im basically getting the 2 3601's without any charge....Given my listening habits and future plans...........Thoughts????
That means I should snatch on your V1801s that would be in outlet soon for better pricing! Only if @Marc Alexander doesn't beat me to it since he has been ahead of me the whole time. LOL

How did you like the V1801s.....I didn't see your opinion on the thread unless I missed it.
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That means I should snatch on your V1801s that would be in outlet soon for better pricing! Only if @Marc Alexander doesn't beat me to it since he has been ahead of me the whole time. LOL

How did you like the V1801s.....I didn't see your opinion on the thread unless I missed it.
I'm married to the Seaton F18+ system (with a couple of nearfield Funks) now so you don't have to worry about me!

I'm selling my PSAs.
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I'm married to the Seaton F18+ system (with a couple of nearfield Funks) now so you don't have to worry about me!

I'm selling my PSAs.
I recall you buying 10 subs in the past few weeks, or at least trying to. LMAO

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It's only 6 joker!
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My guess would be a dual opposed sealed 21" setup will be PSA's new flagship


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Heyo! I haven't been happy with my setup for a while, but I wanted to wait for tweaking until I finished updating my HTPC. Well, new videocard and harddrives are in so this morning was tweak day.

After a few hours, this is what I have


My question - I've always had weird cancellations after 100 with my CC, even after distance tweaks. I've never measured my L + R channels with the subs before, but I tweaked those too because they looked horrible before hand. It actually sounds a lot better, but I'm wonder if this looks fairly normal when measuring subs with speakers or is something up? The sub only graph looks great.

L+R are crossed at 80
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Heyo! I haven't been happy with my setup for a while, but I wanted to wait for tweaking until I finished updating my HTPC. Well, new videocard and harddrives are in so this morning was tweak day.

After a few hours, this is what I have


My question - I've always had weird cancellations after 100 with my CC, even after distance tweaks. I've never measured my L + R channels with the subs before, but I tweaked those too because they looked horrible before hand. It actually sounds a lot better, but I'm wonder if this looks fairly normal when measuring subs with speakers or is something up? The sub only graph looks great.

L+R are crossed at 80
CC is at 100
Looks good although the house curve looks a bit on the aggressive side....I would just be careful that the mid bass does not sound anemic compared to the lower bass for music. Although the response looks pretty smooth, what actually matters now is the combined response with speakers around crossover. You want this to be as flat as possible even if it results in the sub only response looking not as pretty.

I'll be doing the same thing tonight when I run room correction with my new receiver. Find out how Pioneer does with sub eq!
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Looks good although the house curve looks a bit on the aggressive side....I would just be careful that the mid bass does not sound anemic compared to the lower bass for music. Although the response looks pretty smooth, what actually matters now is the combined response with speakers around crossover. You want this to be as flat as possible even if it results in the sub only response looking not as pretty.

I'll be doing the same thing tonight when I run room correction with my new receiver. Find out how Pioneer does with sub eq!
Well, around the cross the response looks ok. It is afterwards where things get weird. Maybe my speakers just suck lol.

I ran audyssey and EQ'd with the room size knob at half way then bumped it to full afterwards. That is where most of the house curve is coming from. There is only a low shelf filter at 120 with gain at 1 with two other peak filters to try to even stuff out a bit.


The midbass is actually the best I've ever heard it. Probably because I tweaked with my R+L settings, which I've never done before.

Good luck with your endeavors tonight!
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Well, around the cross the response looks ok. It is afterwards where things get weird. Maybe my speakers just suck lol.

I ran audyssey and EQ'd with the room size knob at half way then bumped it to full afterwards. That is where most of the house curve is coming from. There is only a low shelf filter at 120 with gain at 1 with two other peak filters to try to even stuff out a bit.


The midbass is actually the best I've ever heard it. Probably because I tweaked with my R+L settings, which I've never done before.

Good luck with your endeavors tonight!
Wow that room size control sure makes it damn easy to put in and easily adjust a house curve. What is your crossover set to? I'm sure the Dual S3000i are contributing some awesome mid bass.....I had a single original XS30 and it had very impressive mid bass output.

80-200 Hz or so is a VERY difficult region to get nice and smooth due to a lot of varying room interactions. Mine is pretty terrible, so I'm curious to see how I end up. Been a long long time since I've measured and tweaked.
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Wow that room size control sure makes it damn easy to put in and easily adjust a house curve. What is your crossover set to? I'm sure the Dual S3000i are contributing some awesome mid bass.....I had a single original XS30 and it had very impressive mid bass output.

80-200 Hz or so is a VERY difficult region to get nice and smooth due to a lot of varying room interactions. Mine is pretty terrible, so I'm curious to see how I end up. Been a long long time since I've measured and tweaked.
L+R are at 80
CC is at 100

I also had an XS30, then 2, then moved to 3000i's and I could never get this kind of response from them. The room size knob makes it so much easier. I'm also fairly inexperienced with REW and EQ'ing so that is probably more of the issue, but no regrets haha!

And yeah, I'm in a temporary space right now, so I have less than optimal speaker placement which also might be what is contributing, I guess.

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CC is at 100

I also had an XS30, then 2, then moved to 3000i's and I could never get this kind of response from them. The room size knob makes it so much easier. I'm also fairly inexperienced with REW and EQ'ing so that is probably more of the issue, but no regrets haha!

And yeah, I'm in a temporary space right now, so I have less than optimal speaker placement which also might be what is contributing, I guess.
Thanks for sharing your results and especially the setting the RSC to middle prior to calibration and then to large setting after, really impressive curve there, good job.
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We're ready to move the two gamma21 subs.

Our typical 5 year warranty applies to the 2400w amplifier only. No warranty on the cabinet or the driver. We've spent a good bit of time optimizing the system for both sound quality and longevity.

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That means I should snatch on your V1801s that would be in outlet soon for better pricing! Only if @Marc Alexander doesn't beat me to it since he has been ahead of me the whole time. LOL

How did you like the V1801s.....I didn't see your opinion on the thread unless I missed it.
I have left some thoughts throughout the thread , I just dont get too in depth because im not really all that technical and dont have graphs to add lol....But I love them , even last night they scared the crap out of me..I was watching TV at a relatively low volume because it was about 11pm here in So Cal , and an intro to a TV show or movie started and it had some drum or odd sound to it. When it started , I about panicked and went to grab the Sig Sauer because it literally sounded and felt like someone was pounding on my front door..I just looked at the GF and was like "these damn speakers!" lol....I dont know what kind of panics the 3601's will produce?? I guess I just need to play at a volume that doesnt sound like everyday life , where i know its those damn speakers lol...
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But I love them , even last night they scared the crap out of me...I dont know what kind of panics the 3601's will produce?? I guess I just need to play at a volume that doesnt sound like everyday life , where i know its those damn speakers lol...
Oh yeah, I expect you'll run the dual V3601 at least a few decibels hotter than the V1801's to utilize the extra power. That should help lay some panic inducing waves in your gut. 😃

Did the V3601 ship out yet or are you sending back the V1801 first?
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Oh yeah, I expect you'll run the dual V3601 at least a few decibels hotter than the V1801's to utilize the extra power. That should help lay some panic inducing waves in your gut. 😃

Did the V3601 ship out yet or are you sending back the V1801 first?
I would really doubt it lol!! Just listening last night when I had it louder and watching Drone , I was "Do I really need more??" My neighbors ACROSS the street came by saturday for our pool party and brought his daughters who were like 2 and 4 , he said the daughters start dancing when they hear me play some music and he say he can feel it when I watch movies! Luckily they enjoy it and are really cool..But no , the 3601s have not shipped , I still need to get the V15's out the door which I was supposed to do saturday but it was hot and the pool party took priority..Sunday was just recover mode and I accomplished nothing..I will get them out today and probably have to get some labels from Tom for the 18's and have to really sit and think about what im thinking im thinking to do....

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I would really doubt it lol!! Just listening last night when I had it louder and watching Drone , I was "Do I really need more??" My neighbors ACROSS the street came by saturday for our pool party and brought his daughters who were like 2 and 4 , he said the daughters start dancing when they hear me play some music and he say he can feel it when I watch movies! Luckily they enjoy it and are really cool..But no , the 3601s have not shipped , I still need to get the V15's out the door which I was supposed to do saturday but it was hot and the pool party took priority..Sunday was just recover mode and I accomplished nothing..I will get them out today and probably have to get some labels from Tom for the 18's and have to really sit and think about what im thinking im thinking to do....
Now let's not over react, no need to start thinking these decisions through. And don't worry about the panic attacks that the V3601's can induce... once you get used to the elevated heart rates, rapid breathing, and night sweats everything is fine. Oh, and the bladder control comes back after about a month.
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Just talked to Tom himself on the chat. Really helpful guy! After talking with him I have decided to go SEALED in my room mainly for easier integration, future proofing, and lower extension. I'm looking at 4 to 6 drivers (s3601/s1801) and possibly sell the dual pb13s (which I love) or use it in another room or run it in sealed mode with other sealed subs for even more drivers. I'm starting to think I'm crazy! LOL

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Now let's not over react, no need to start thinking these decisions through. And don't worry about the panic attacks that the V3601's can induce... once you get used to the elevated heart rates, rapid breathing, and night sweats everything is fine. Oh, and the bladder control comes back after about a month.
Hahahaha...Im looking forward to getting that bladder control back! Maybe I can finally start sleeping back inside!

A side question about power consumption , im not concerned so much about power usage and the bill , im a bit more curious as if my house can handle 2 1700watt amps? I will never get anywhere near max with these , house seemed to handle the 2 1801's and the v15 fairly easy....didnt see any surges or anything scary..I will have my AVR , TV , Xbox , Cable , 3601's all hooked up to a panamax surge protector and conditioner from 1 outlet... Not sure of amperage in the house...Just kinda worry since the house is a bit old , but has been fine so far....but this would be a whole new level of test lol...
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Just talked to Tom himself on the chat. Really helpful guy! After talking with him I have decided to go SEALED in my room mainly for easier integration, future proofing, and lower extension. I'm looking at 4 to 6 drivers (s3601/s1801) and possibly sell the dual pb13s (which I love) or use it in another room or run it in sealed mode with other sealed subs for even more drivers. I'm starting to think I'm crazy! LOL

Oh....and I also blame you guys for this disease....I mean hobby.
Awesome! I'd say go for it too, but swing for the fences if you're switching to sealed (at least 3-4 powerful subs). I've followed your room progress and know you're enjoying the benefits of the nearfield pb13 placement, so you'll need a heck of a lot of displacement as a substitute. I wonder how many months out the mystery T18 replacement is...
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Hahahaha...Im looking forward to getting that bladder control back! Maybe I can finally start sleeping back inside!

A side question about power consumption , im not concerned so much about power usage and the bill , im a bit more curious as if my house can handle 2 1700watt amps? I will never get anywhere near max with these , house seemed to handle the 2 1801's and the v15 fairly easy....didnt see any surges or anything scary..I will have my AVR , TV , Xbox , Cable , 3601's all hooked up to a panamax surge protector and conditioner from 1 outlet... Not sure of amperage in the house...Just kinda worry since the house is a bit old , but has been fine so far....but this would be a whole new level of test lol...
I have both my V3601's running off the same 15 amp circuit and have never had an issue. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I have both my V3601's running off the same 15 amp circuit and have never had an issue. I wouldn't worry about it.
Jim, do you have all your equipment on that same 15 amp breaker and are your subs on a SP as well, just curious.
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