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Slackers! I would have thought that you guys would've enabled the super duper extra power tactile response option in the DSP settings. I guess we'll all just have to settle with the S7201s default TR.
I believe you will have to remove all the drivers to get to "the switch" but that may void the warranty
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Since the subwoofer has a delay knob, will a MiniDSP be required to set time alignment? I've ordered the mic and will have REW. Hoping to achieve my goal without having to buy a MiniDSP. From what I am reading, it will be a series of tests and then adjusting the delay until the graphs are aligned?

Current plan is to reset the AVR to defaults, then time align the subs with REW and the delay knob on the closer sub. Then, run audyssey with the subs as one entity (because only one output on AVR).

EDIT: And while I'm at it, should I level match or gain match two 15Vs? Would do that before time aligning.
If it was me I would 1st hit around 78-82dbs per sub, then use REW and Mic to set the delays. I would compare using Sub1's delay vs using Sub 2's delay. Placement and dialing in the delay take time so please don't get frustrated.
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Aww yeaaaah!!

Time to have some fun!

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Aww yeaaaah!!

Time to have some fun!
Nice! Such a great feeling huh

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I don't know about you guys but when we were kids we would get all excited when we saw the Ice Cream Truck turn down the street. We would run around yelling: "The Ice Cream Man is here!!! The Ice Cream Man is here!!!"

Now, as men, we get all excited when Fed-Ex the truck turns down the street. I'm not positive but IIRC I think I actually yelled out: "The Fed-Ex man is here!" when I was waiting for one of my PSA subs.

What can I say, never grew up.

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I don't know about you guys but when we were kids we would get all excited when we saw the Ice Cream Truck turn down the street. We would run around yelling: "The Ice Cream Man is here!!! The Ice Cream Man is here!!!"

Now, as men, we get all excited when Fed-Ex the truck turns down the street. I'm not positive but IIRC I think I actually yelled out: "The Fed-Ex man is here!" when I was waiting for one of my PSA subs.

What can I say, never grew up.

Congrats on the 4th sub.
Yup! And instead of that same song all those ice cream trucks would play, we listen out for the same squealing brakes all those FedEx trucks have.

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Aww yeaaaah!!

Time to have some fun!
Does new sub mean the little guy gets a new toy car? I love the collection of toy cars, priceless. Good man!!!!!!
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Did a quick and dirty hookup. Two v1500's together in front left corner facing wall, two 15v's back right corner ports facing wall. I wanted to stack the 15v's but cords were a tad too short. Noticed the new cord was a three prong to btw.
Haven't gotten a chance to fiddle too much or run audyssey(workers outside jack hammering..ugh) but just playing a few clips seems crazy insane.
Here's some pics I still have to hide some wires etc and I may definitely try some other configurations as well.
Oh, and yes I'll be buying a mic and laptop soon hehe
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Ummm, is it bad or good that my wall mounted tv is vibrating at only -25 opening scene in Life?! Lol
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Speaking of FedEx! They just arrived to pickup my V1801. Great deal headed to the outlet center!

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Ummm, is it bad or good that my wall mounted tv is vibrating at only -25 opening scene in Life?! Lol
Definitely a good thing. If it falls off the wall it means you win... you have PSA bragging rights.

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Definitely a good thing. If it falls off the wall it means you win... you have PSA bragging rights.
Glad I got the extended warranty on the tv from Best Buy! Lolz
Currently watching Dredd at -18 and seriously cannot believe how awesome it sounds!
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Glad I got the extended warranty on the tv from Best Buy! Lolz
Currently watching Dredd at -18 and seriously cannot believe how awesome it sounds!
Sorry I missed it, but which sub did you get again??

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Nm! You just got the 2 v1500's?? 4 subs?! That must be crazy!

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After much internal debate Jim and I decided to enable the "tactile response" option on the S7201 design so you can rest easy Jeff.

But saying "this number is higher so it is better"...well, that's easy enough. So cea-2010 appeals to the "lowest common denominator" in that regard. But is it better or simply louder?

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Thanks Tom, my type of TR is the imploding submarine tin can being crushed type of feeling and I've experienced that with the V1801s, I'm already resting easy my friend. You know I had to add being loud does not mean better, I think I'm very familiar with the sound signature of both PSA subs and speakers, all subs do not not sound the same to me but I've come to appreciate the quality of sound they do produce.

I could probably open a used T-shirt shop from all the PSA Ts I have, the only problem being I would have to sell a shirt for $2000 apiece to break even. I have to thank you Tom, and Jim for making me realize what a wonderful and loving woman that shares my life with me. I already knew this before I starting buying subwoofers from PSA but the 7201 will solidify that arrangement. No seriously, I don't know if the shoe was on the other foot for the last five years how I'd respond. Who's counting....

She asked today why I was measuring the width of the staircase leading down to my HT, I responded with it's for the Home Depot box for the new chest freezer, she just smiled, just got to love that woman and I most certainly do. The good thing about getting older is you start to live like today is the first day of the rest of your life......

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She smiled in a knowing fashion that your home depot chest freezer story was total fairy tales? A keeper for sure.
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I read somewhere that you add 1ms delay to the closer sub for each foot closer it is to the main listening position. Last night I did A/B testing on Star Trek Into Darkness, and what a tremendous difference it makes. With 0 delay added it seems even quieter than a single sub! Must be some severe cancelling going on. When I added ~6ms delay using the knob on the sub and rewatched the same scenes, it was awesome, and exactly why I bought a second sub. Super powerful bass, and a ton of fun. I have a UMIK on the way so I am going to play with level or gain matching them and precisely dialing in the delay.

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I read somewhere that you add 1ms delay to the closer sub for each foot closer it is to the main listening position. Last night I did A/B testing on Star Trek Into Darkness, and what a tremendous difference it makes. With 0 delay added it seems even quieter than a single sub! Must be some severe cancelling going on. When I added ~6ms delay using the knob on the sub and rewatched the same scenes, it was awesome, and exactly why I bought a second sub. Super powerful bass, and a ton of fun. I have a UMIK on the way so I am going to play with level or gain matching them and precisely dialing in the delay.
Yeah once you get that mic you'll be able to SEE what's going on and where cancellations exist. Then you will really be able to dial in the two subs using the delay's. Change the delay on a sub and run REW to see what's going on. Adjust it a little more and run another sweep. You can dial it right in and it makes all the difference in the world.
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I read somewhere that you add 1ms delay to the closer sub for each foot closer it is to the main listening position. Last night I did A/B testing on Star Trek Into Darkness, and what a tremendous difference it makes. With 0 delay added it seems even quieter than a single sub! Must be some severe cancelling going on. When I added ~6ms delay using the knob on the sub and rewatched the same scenes, it was awesome, and exactly why I bought a second sub. Super powerful bass, and a ton of fun. I have a UMIK on the way so I am going to play with level or gain matching them and precisely dialing in the delay.
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Yeah once you get that mic you'll be able to SEE what's going on and where cancellations exist. Then you will really be able to dial in the two subs using the delay's. Change the delay on a sub and run REW to see what's going on. Adjust it a little more and run another sweep. You can dial it right in and it makes all the difference in the world.
Yeah, Hop is right. Without a degree in engineering and sitting down with a pad and pencil working out formulas for frequency distance, cancellation, and so forth, you are going to have to play it by ear until you get a mic.

What you have to be aware of, however, that standing waves form in different locations in your room at the different frequencies. 40 Hz may build up in one particular spot due to its wavelength while peaks and nulls at 30 or 50 Hz may be a few feet away. Phase aligning your subs can be done with REW and a mic or with an SPL meter from RadioShack and test tone sweeps.

After all is said and done, room treatments for bass may be required to tame those standing waves and room modes so that you have as few nulls as possible in your listening areas. I'm currently in the research and planning stages of building DIY acoustic panels and corner bass traps. They're not hard to make, just expensive to buy the OC 703 or Roxul Rockboard 60.

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Yeah Climber that's on my list of things to do as well. I really really need to get some sound treatments in my room. My list of things to do in this next year is:
1. Sound treatments
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3. Add a door to close off the hallway from the HT
4. Add Buttkickers to the couch.

I'm not sure I can get to them all but I'm going to give it a good shot.
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4. Add Buttkickers to the couch.
I'm hoping that with the S7201 and my room being on the second floor that butt-kickers won't be necessary for me.
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I'd like to see how the v3601 stacks up against the new 7201. I'm sure the new sub would beat it up bad above 40 hz, but would be interested to see how the ported sub fairs below 40 hz. With my v3601 being for sale for 1500.00 (local only), id be relatively inclined to see how the big brother would do in my rooms "sweet spot." Tempting
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I'd like to see how the v3601 stacks up against the new 7201. I'm sure the new sub would beat it up bad above 40 hz, but would be interested to see how the ported sub fairs below 40 hz. With my v3601 being for sale for 1500.00 (local only), id be relatively inclined to see how the big brother would do in my rooms "sweet spot." Tempting
Is anyone here in this forum upgrading from a V3601 to the S7201? I haven't seen anyone mention it.

The compression graph Tom provided shows some incredible output even down to 10 Hz. I've never seen compression charts for the V3601, but with most of the tactile feel being in the mid-bass region, I'd lean toward the S7201 being more impactful while still shaking the foundation below 40 Hz.

I'm curious too. It will be interesting to see some perspectives. I know for a fact that my dual XV15se setup could never hit as hard in any freq., especially since the S7201 will dig so deep without thermal compression or port noise issues.
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Is anyone here in this forum upgrading from a V3601 to the S7201? I haven't seen anyone mention it.

The compression graph Tom provided shows some incredible output even down to 10 Hz. I've never seen compression charts for the V3601, but with most of the tactile feel being in the mid-bass region, I'd lean toward the S7201 being more impactful while still shaking the foundation below 40 Hz.

I'm curious too. It will be interesting to see some perspectives. I know for a fact that my dual XV15se setup could never hit as hard in any freq., especially since the S7201 will dig so deep without thermal compression or port noise issues.
Im still so tempted to get that 7201 lol....
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Did a quick and dirty hookup. Two v1500's together in front left corner facing wall, two 15v's back right corner ports facing wall. I wanted to stack the 15v's but cords were a tad too short.


Remember, "stacking" doesn't mean the subs are literally stacked one atop another. Most of the time people use this term to mean mutually coupled, which will happen any time the subs are close forgetter, side by side, flanking a media center, etc. Sounds like initial results are good!


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Exactly, and I just found out I'll have to use an appliance or furniture dolly to get it down the stairs as the bottom part of the box is just a shelf liner and won't support the weight of the sub, the pallet does that. It's a very intelligent way to ship these subs and makes for really easy unboxing, but then you have to deal with 300 pounds, that's 14 pounds less than double my weight. Yes I'm a strapping 157 pound soaking wet weakling.

So yes the smile was a knowing one of a fairy tale story..........
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Exactly, and I just found out I'll have to use an appliance or furniture dolly to get it down the stairs as the bottom part of the box is just a shelf liner and won't support the weight of the sub, the pallet does that. It's a very intelligent way to ship these subs and makes for really easy unboxing, but then you have to deal with 300 pounds, that's 14 pounds less than double my weight. Yes I'm a strapping 157 pound soaking wet weakling.

So yes the smile was a knowing one of a fairy tale story..........
I don't care who you are or how big of a boy you are. 300 lbs. is too much to move alone unless you're sliding it around. Even then it's going to be a strain. I'm ~215 lbs. and I'm intimidated by its size and weight. I'll be employing climbing ropes, pulleys, and slings to winch it up the stairs with the assistance of my wife and kids "guiding" it as it slides up the carpeted stairs.

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^Nice looking house. This stairs look very cool but they look like they will be a challenge for moving a 300 pound sub. Good call on the ropes and the help.

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^Nice looking house. This stairs look very cool but they look like they will be a challenge for moving a 300 pound sub. Good call on the ropes and the help.

Thank you very much.

Tom said the box is 41x27x60. That's going to be a tight turn for 300 lbs. The landing isn't very big.

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