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post #35821 of 37018 Old 08-15-2017, 02:49 PM
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Thank you very much.

Tom said the box is 41x27x60. That's going to be a tight turn for 300 lbs. The landing isn't very big.


I would unbox is downstairs and then take it up. The boxes are harder to grip and may shave off few inches that may come in handy. I did that with a couple of mine and it did help.


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I would unbox is downstairs and then take it up. The boxes are harder to grip and may shave off few inches that may come in handy. I did that with a couple of mine and it did help.
I would rather wear gloves. The box will protect it from scrapes and nicks.
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Until one knucklehead trips and takes the whole enchilada down the stairs with them lol
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I would rather wear gloves. The box will protect it from scrapes and nicks.


What would gloves do with an awkward shaped box? Whatever works for you dude. I found it easier without the box. The inches I saved prevented the subs from bumps.


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Exactly, and I just found out I'll have to use an appliance or furniture dolly to get it down the stairs as the bottom part of the box is just a shelf liner and won't support the weight of the sub, the pallet does that. It's a very intelligent way to ship these subs and makes for really easy unboxing, but then you have to deal with 300 pounds, that's 14 pounds less than double my weight. Yes I'm a strapping 157 pound soaking wet weakling.

So yes the smile was a knowing one of a fairy tale story..........
How many stairs? If you don't feel comfortable I would try and get a neighbor to come over, lay the box down and while you and your neighbor/helper is in front of the box, let the box slide down the stairs while you and your helper have your arms extended applying resistance. I know the S3600I is around 150lbs shipped? I can easily slide it down 10 wooden stairs.

You are going down stairs and not up? Correct?

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What would gloves do with an awkward shaped box? Whatever works for you dude. I found it easier without the box. The inches I saved prevented the subs from bumps.
In this case, the S7201 is going have to be carried upright. So the inches what you suggested will save won't matter that much.

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I'd like to see how the v3601 stacks up against the new 7201. I'm sure the new sub would beat it up bad above 40 hz, but would be interested to see how the ported sub fairs below 40 hz. With my v3601 being for sale for 1500.00 (local only), id be relatively inclined to see how the big brother would do in my rooms "sweet spot." Tempting
V3601 and S7201 will be close in the 15-40hz cea2010. Above and below that the S7201 should pull away. I give Tactile Response edge to the V3601, but the S7201 is not going to have no chance of vent noise...I think the S7201 would be a substantial upgrade being the V3601's vent noise is offensive to you.
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Maybe the S7201 should be shipped with one of these

Hell I have taken 500LB copiers up and down a flight of stairs by myself with these things. Although for climber, even with one of these things the tight landing is going to be a beatch


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How many stairs? If you don't feel comfortable I would try and get a neighbor to come over, lay the box down and while in you and your neighbor/helper is in front of the box, let the box slide down the stairs while you and your helper have your arms extended applying resistance. I know the S3600I is around 150lbs shipped? I can easily slide it down 10 wooden stairs.

You are going down stairs and not up? Correct?
That's the problem, can't use the box to move the 7201, wanted to let Climber know as well. The main support for the sub is the pallet, it has a card board tray that it sits in with cardboard sides and a pull off top, so it's not really a box like the smaller subs are shipped in. I asked Jim how wide the box was so I could see if I could slide the whole thing down my stairs, about 13. He replied that I can't do it like that because of the way it's shipped. He did say I may be able to slide it down on the bottom tray with the help of at least two people. So there it is........I do have an appliance dolly like I said so I'm not worried and I won't be moving it anyway.

I guess once it's down here it must stay...........
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How many stairs? If you don't feel comfortable I would try and get a neighbor to come over, lay the box down and while in you and your neighbor/helper is in front of the box, let the box slide down the stairs while you and your helper have your arms extended applying resistance. I know the S3600I is around 150lbs shipped? I can easily slide it down 10 wooden stairs.

You are going down stairs and not up? Correct?
300 lbs. UP 16 stairs for me man. I may wrap the cardboard around the sub and slide it from landing to landing at an angle. I'll engineer something.

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300 lbs. UP 16 stairs for me man. I may wrap the cardboard around the sub and slide it from landing to landing at an angle. I'll engineer something.
Just a though here...

Depending on how much time and energy it's going to cost you to do this without damaging anything, it might be worth a twelve pack and 100 bucks to pick up some help at the local home depot. Just sayin!

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I hope you are not planning on using wife and/or younger children to help...that sounds risky given the weight size of sub and that pic. Hope you find a safe way.

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300 lbs. UP 16 stairs for me man. I may wrap the cardboard around the sub and slide it from landing to landing at an angle. I'll engineer something.
Just a though here...

Depending on how much time and energy it's going to cost you to do this without damaging anything, it might be worth a twelve pack and 100 bucks to pick up some help at the local home depot. Just sayin!

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I hope you are not planning on using wife and/or younger children to help...that sounds risky given the weight size of sub and that pic. Hope you find a safe way.
Improvise, adapt, and overcome. We are a tough family. I will assure you all that I will exercise sound judgement with safety as a primary concern.

The good thing about the design of the S7201 is that all but one side (amp side) are strong and protected. Plus, the Baltic birch plywood is much more structurally stable and rigid than MDF.
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Hey @climber07 , have you thought about hiring some movers?

Your stairs are can of similar to my stairs & it was a pain moving 4 JTR OS LFU's(weight 225lbs each) up the stairs, a little easy down the stairs. Alot harder moving 2 Cap4000's(weight 265lbs each) up the stairs.
What help me and my friend was a dolly. I think it would had been alot easier if it was 3 of us moving them.

I hope you not planning on moving S7201(weight 300lbs) by yourself? If you are, please be careful because it could be dangerous for you and your family.

Anyway good luck with whatever way you come up with moving it and i can't wait to hear your impressions.

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I had a bunch of fun (no sarcasm) testing the two 15Vs with REW last night. My first foray into REW.

1) Found best spot for sub 1
2) Found best spot for sub 2
3) Ran sweeps over and over, adjusting delay each time until I found the sweet spot in the FR.

Sound about right?

Unfortunately that took me to midnight so I didn't get to test it with a movie. I'll post the chart later. Best I could do is a slight null at 70hz. Audyssey might be able to fix that with EQ. But, I typically like a 60hz crossover on the mains anyway, so it may be a very minor issue.

And yeah... with no delay, I was getting epic cancellations. Quieter than single sub. And several sub placement spots in my room are awful, lol.
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V3601 and S7201 will be close in the 15-40hz cea2010. Above and below that the S7201 should pull away. I give Tactile Response edge to the V3601, but the S7201 is not going to have no chance of vent noise...I think the S7201 would be a substantial upgrade being the V3601's vent noise is offensive to you.
Vent noise is why I avoid vented boxes in my car and house.

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Vent noise is why I avoid vented boxes in my car and house.
I like ported and have never experienced vent noise with my 15v's. However some owners have experienced it with the slot vent on the 01 series subs running them really hot with heavy bass material below 20hz. That is why this S7201 should be awesome. V3601 level bass down low with no chance of port noise all the way up to it's limits.

If PSA would allow different placement option on the amp so you could lay it length ways with the manifold firing up I think more folks could accommodate this sub. I could place one directly behind my couch and I probably would of been on the preorder list for one. It's just too big to be placed anywhere else in my room otherwise.
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I posted this over in the new S7201 thread but I meant to post it here so I'll just post it here as well.

I never really thought about it before but it just occurred to me that Tom really goes out of his way to keep us up to date on everything... from plans, to development, to orders. I think I've kind of just taken this for granted. But thinking back through the years he often posts where PSA stands with inventory, order status, etc. They certainly don't have to do this but they do and it's incredibly helpful if one is thinking about the timing for ordering a sub. Especially during pre-orders with the release of a new product.

I don't know of any other company that cares enough to take time out of their busy schedule to keep their customers this well informed. I also think it's really cool that Tom and Jim are always willing to keep us up to date visually, with the sharing of photos. I think this really builds a sense of trust with PSA.

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I agree...just wish Tom would post his subwoofer pron pics in HD instead of Tater cam. lol
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I like ported and have never experienced vent noise with my 15v's. However some owners have experienced it with the slot vent on the 01 series subs running them really hot with heavy bass material below 20hz. That is why this S7201 should be awesome. V3601 level bass down low with no chance of port noise all the way up to it's limits.

If PSA would allow different placement option on the amp so you could lay it length ways with the manifold firing up I think more folks could accommodate this sub. I could place one directly behind my couch and I probably would of been on the preorder list for one. It's just too big to be placed anywhere else in my room otherwise.
Basshead I agree with you. I wouldn't have been in on the preorder because I've had zero port noise with the V3601's and I'm perfectly content. But for those who have, this sub could really be a great answer for them. And the icing on the cake is you get something like 6 to 8 dB increase over the V3601 above 40 Hz and it will also dig deeper (I better stop talking or I might order one).

I could also see where being able to stick the S7201 right behind a couch might possibly make accommodating a sub of this size much more doable for many more people. Just imagine, four 18" drivers right behind the MLP, firing right into the couch. How delicious is that? And correct me if I'm wrong but near field subs take some of the initial room interaction out of the equation as well. Sounds very tempting.

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If PSA would allow different placement option on the amp so you could lay it length ways with the manifold firing up I think more folks could accommodate this sub. I could place one directly behind my couch and I probably would of been on the preorder list for one. It's just too big to be placed anywhere else in my room otherwise.
That would be a nice-to-have, agreed. But the math doesn't work out.

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I had a bunch of fun (no sarcasm) testing the two 15Vs with REW last night. My first foray into REW.

1) Found best spot for sub 1
2) Found best spot for sub 2
3) Ran sweeps over and over, adjusting delay each time until I found the sweet spot in the FR.

Sound about right?

Unfortunately that took me to midnight so I didn't get to test it with a movie. I'll post the chart later. Best I could do is a slight null at 70hz. Audyssey might be able to fix that with EQ. But, I typically like a 60hz crossover on the mains anyway, so it may be a very minor issue.

And yeah... with no delay, I was getting epic cancellations. Quieter than single sub. And several sub placement spots in my room are awful, lol.
If time allows post all of the FR. I bet many would find the before(major cancellations) as interesting as the after..

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Originally mistakenly posted this in the 7201 thread. So I wanted to get this in the correct thread.


I am planning a living room 5.2.4 setup with a 65 inch tv. Still some time away but I like to plan ahead. It will be a 2700 square foot one story fairy open floor plan. Link to floor plan(http://www.highlandhomes.com/dfw/pro...-60s/270-543-A).

I am pretty sure that I will go with PSA dual subs. I am in a bit of a pickle, albeit an amazing pickle to be in. My wife is supportive of 4 floor standing towers for FR, FL, SR, and SL. 😲

The towers will be the Klipsch reference premiere with built in up firing speakers. She has also OK'ed dual subs.....with the stipulation that they both be on the front wall with the tv and front speakers or one front wall and one behind the couch "hidden" under a sofa table.
So I was looking at dual S3000i's figuring I could experiment with both up front or one front and one behind the couch.

But here is the kicker and the pickle ......she also OK'ed dual V3601's😱😱😋.
The thing is they would need to be on the front wall and behind the couch is a non starter. I could experiment a little with placement such as inside front towers or outside, but I lose the extra placement option of one behind the couch.

So you can see my predicament. The HT guy in me says be sensible and get the 3000i so you gain a placement option, but the sub lover reptilian part of my brain is like " dude, if your wife is allowing dual V3601's to enter your home, you need to make that happen.....who cares if they had to stay in the garage, they would be yours and on the premises! "

I will have a receiver with xt32 and SUB HT. I am really torn hear..... common sense of gaining one more placement option or take the dual refrigerators and run! If I go with the V3601's and there is a terrible null that audyssey can't compensate for I would be disappointed. On the other hand if I get the S3000i's and there isn't a
terrible null that audyssey can't compensate for I would be disappointed because I could have had two bass fridges flanking my mains!

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Originally mistakenly posted this in the 7201 thread. So I wanted to get this in the correct thread.


I am planning a living room 5.2.4 setup with a 65 inch tv. Still some time away but I like to plan ahead. It will be a 2700 square foot one story fairy open floor plan. Link to floor plan(http://www.highlandhomes.com/dfw/pro...-60s/270-543-A).

I am pretty sure that I will go with PSA dual subs. I am in a bit of a pickle, albeit an amazing pickle to be in. My wife is supportive of 4 floor standing towers for FR, FL, SR, and SL. 😲

The towers will be the Klipsch reference premiere with built in up firing speakers. She has also OK'ed dual subs.....with the stipulation that they both be on the front wall with the tv and front speakers or one front wall and one behind the couch "hidden" under a sofa table.
So I was looking at dual 3000i's figuring I could experiment with both up front or one front and one behind the couch.

But here is the kicker and the pickle ......she also OK'ed dual 3601's😱😱😋.
The thing is they would need to be on the front wall and behind the couch is a non starter. I could experiment a little with placement such as inside front towers or outside, but I lose the extra placement option of one behind the couch.

So you can see my predicament. The HT guy in me says be sensible and get the 3000i so you gain a placement option, but the sub lover reptilian part of my brain is like " dude, if your wife is allowing dual 3601's to enter your home, you need to make that happen.....who cares if they had to stay in the garage, they would be yours and on the premises! "

I will have a receiver with xt32 and SUB HT. I am really torn hear..... common sense of gaining one more placement option or take the dual refrigerators and run! If I go with the 3601's and there is a terrible null that audyssey can't compensate for I would be disappointed. On the other hand if I get the 3000i's and there isn't a
terrible null that audyssey can't compensate for I would be disappointed because I could have had two bass fridges flanking my mains!

Thoughts?
Hi,

As you said this is a pretty good pickle to be in. Does your wife have any sisters? In one respect, dual S3601's would seem like a no-brainer, but let me throw in another wrinkle. If the front-back arrangement yields a good frequency response, you might also really enjoy having a nearfield sub. Several recent posters have been talking about the benefits of being able to potentially put an S7201 nearfield, but I think that the same advantages would exist with a 3000i. I certainly enjoy having a nearfield sub.

If you are sure that you won't be able to fit an S3601 behind the sofa (perhaps on its side?) then flexibility in positioning for frequency response might not be the only factor to consider. The S3000i's might also offer the nearfield advantage. Of course, you could always get the S3601's for the front soundstage now, and hope to negotiate for a rear nearfield S3000i, or the equivalent (S1801?), later. Sorry for planting that evil thought.

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Mike
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I like how Mike thinks.

I just wanted to point out that testing with nearfield, dual-opposed designs has apparently found that the tactile response was greatly reduced (something to do with the science of DO subs that I don't fully understand). If you were to go with a nearfield sub at some point in the future, I would recommend a single driver design.

I would also be remiss if I did not recommend you getting ported subs over sealed.* That's a pretty large space to fill and ported will give tons more TR over sealed (if you enjoy that sort of thing) along with more headroom.


*You didn't specify which 3601 you were looking at, if it is indeed the "V", then nevermind. I assume it is the "S" since you are also considering the S3000.
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I'd like to see how the v3601 stacks up against the new 7201. I'm sure the new sub would beat it up bad above 40 hz, but would be interested to see how the ported sub fairs below 40 hz. With my v3601 being for sale for 1500.00 (local only), id be relatively inclined to see how the big brother would do in my rooms "sweet spot." Tempting
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Here we go. Two shades of blue are the individual runs. The red is the combined response with no delay. The green is combined response with delay on the near sub.

I'm still playing with it though.

EDIT: OMG, and I am still learning. That 70 dip is likely due to a crossover LOL. I had everything else set to default (distance, audyssey off, levels, etc), but hadn't set all speakers to large yet. Basically disregard that graph LOL.
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