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One can consider a single XS30 and two XS15's that should do a bang up job filling a 5,500 cu ft room with bass sound.
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One can consider a single XS30 and two XS15's that should do a bang up job filling a 5,500 cu ft room with bass sound.

Sounds intriguing. But now your approaching Triax territory in terms of budget. I started this search with a max budget of $1500. Much over $2k is more than I can handle; house is gonna need a new roof in the not too distant future. Nothing like home repairs to gut the budget of an AV hobby. frown.gif

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Sounds intriguing. But now your approaching Triax territory in terms of budget. I started this search with a max budget of $1500. Much over $2k is more than I can handle; house is gonna need a new roof in the not too distant future. Nothing like home repairs to gut the budget of an AV hobby. frown.gif

If your budget is $1500 I would recommend dual XV15's.
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Sounds intriguing. But now your approaching Triax territory in terms of budget. I started this search with a max budget of $1500. Much over $2k is more than I can handle; house is gonna need a new roof in the not too distant future. Nothing like home repairs to gut the budget of an AV hobby. frown.gif

Well, good thing is that you don't have to repair the roof "now". So, go ahead and buy the sub...............before is too late!

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If your budget is $1500 I would recommend dual XV15's.

The rational adult side of me agrees, maybe even starting with one XV15 paired with my SVS, but the irrational kid in me says blow the budget out of the water and go bigger (a XV15/XV30f combo sounds very intriguing)! eek.gif

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Well, good thing is that you don't have to repair the roof "now". So, go ahead and buy the sub...............before is too late!

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Lol..... tongue.gif

Well, the pan I put in the attic to catch water from the latest leak does seem to be working well.. biggrin.gif

BTW, I blame everyone here for my upgraditis! These forums are dangerous places for my wallet. eek.gifbiggrin.gif

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The rational adult side of me agrees, maybe even starting with one XV15 paired with my SVS, but the irrational kid in me says blow the budget out of the water and go bigger (a XV15/XV30f combo sounds very intriguing)! eek.gif
Lol..... tongue.gif

Well, the pan I put in the attic to catch water from the latest leak does seem to be working well.. biggrin.gif

BTW, I blame everyone here for my upgraditis! These forums are dangerous places for my wallet. eek.gifbiggrin.gif

I swear I'd be a millionaire if it wasnt for forums. From building cars to snowboards and everything in between..... I always find my way to a forum that turns my current hobby into the next bad habit. Lol.

Forget the roof..... With enough subs you'll just blow it off anyways. biggrin.gif

i had a late night session night before last. Woke up to a note on my door. Yep, the neighbors can hear and feel the dual xv30fs. frown.gif
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I swear I'd be a millionaire if it wasnt for forums. From building cars to snowboards and everything in between..... I always find my way to a forum that turns my current hobby into the next bad habit. Lol.

Forget the roof..... With enough subs you'll just blow it off anyways. biggrin.gif

i had a late night session night before last. Woke up to a note on my door. Yep, the neighbors can hear and feel the dual xv30fs. frown.gif

This is actually my biggest fear. Getting the note..... bummer frown.gif

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Ya.... Evidently Im juvenile for listening to loud music late at night.

I'm thinking of putting the rubber feet between the cabintes and the floor, since the floor is carpet over slab and the room is half way under the dirt Im thinking some isolation from the slab might help, although how much Im not sure.
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I swear I'd be a millionaire if it wasnt for forums. From building cars to snowboards and everything in between..... I always find my way to a forum that turns my current hobby into the next bad habit. Lol.

Forget the roof..... With enough subs you'll just blow it off anyways. biggrin.gif

i had a late night session night before last. Woke up to a note on my door. Yep, the neighbors can hear and feel the dual xv30fs. frown.gif

LOL

My neighbors hear ours sometimes, and we hear theirs sometimes. As long as we avoid loud late night sessions, we're good.

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Ya.... Evidently Im juvenile for listening to loud music late at night.

I'm thinking of putting the rubber feet between the cabintes and the floor, since the floor is carpet over slab and the room is half way under the dirt Im thinking some isolation from the slab might help, although how much Im not sure.

This is a myth and will not do anything. You need concrete walls to keep the bass from escaping...there is nothing you can do but keep the volume down late night.
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This is a myth and will not do anything. You need concrete walls to keep the bass from escaping...there is nothing you can do but keep the volume down late night.

^ +1 It will not help.. it's the sound waves that are the culprit.

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But, you are always coming back for more...............you are welcome!
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I swear I'd be a millionaire if it wasnt for forums. From building cars to snowboards and everything in between..... I always find my way to a forum that turns my current hobby into the next bad habit. Lol.

Forget the roof..... With enough subs you'll just blow it off anyways. biggrin.gif

i had a late night session night before last. Woke up to a note on my door. Yep, the neighbors can hear and feel the dual xv30fs. frown.gif

This man speaks the true!!!
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This is a myth and will not do anything. You need concrete walls to keep the bass from escaping...there is nothing you can do but keep the volume down late night.

Concrete walls.........hummmmm

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Who needs a roof to continue spending money on AV gear? I probably have enough left over shingles to do your roof, as long as you don't mind it multi colored biggrin.gif
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What comfy doesn't have in shingles you can probably make up for with subwoofer cardboard packaging. Theres a lot of it, and the more you buy..... Just saying. biggrin.gif
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But, you are always coming back for more...............you are welcome!....

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Sounds intriguing. But now your approaching Triax territory in terms of budget. I started this search with a max budget of $1500. Much over $2k is more than I can handle; house is gonna need a new roof in the not too distant future. Nothing like home repairs to gut the budget of an AV hobby. frown.gif

That's a yes and a no answer in that one has to buy a Triax in one payment where as if one is going stick to a $1,500.00 budget, they can buy a pair of XS15's for a bit less at a cost of $1,423.10 or they can buy a single XS30 or XS30f for $1,139 or $1,399.00 and at a later date add a complimentary XS15 for an additional $749.00.

If you purchase two XS15's now and add a third one later, your total out of pocket for three subwoofers would be $2,135.00 which is $135.00 more than you maximum of $2,000.00. Buy two now, add a third later when you have the additional monies.

If one were to go with a XS30 and a XS15, the total would be $1,888.00 and I'm sure PSA would work in their 5%, second subwoofer discount which makes this package more inline with your $1,500.00 budget. Later if you like, add a second XS15 as it doesn't have to be done, all at once.

If you want go with vented choices, PSA will be able to help there also. As you know, vented doesn't dig as deep as a properly outfitted room, equipped with a sealed subwoofer system but the vented models make up for it by increasing output in the +15Hz range. It all depends on what's important and how you want to cobble the deal together.

A little bit of creative juggling should get you what your 5,500 cu ft room needs for proper playback levels.

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And we can't forget the backyard fence, the A/C, interior/exterior paint, the septic system needing to be pumped, yard maintenance issues, bathroom/kitchen upgrades, the water heater being on it's last legs, property taxes, house insurance (how many more years will the driveway hang in there) and the purchase of a few non-subwoofer related toys to keep it all worth while.....all the while, the darn cars keep demanding their fair share of any leftover household budget. tongue.gif

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That's a yes and a no answer in that one has to buy a Triax in one payment where as if one is going stick to a $1,500.00 budget, they can buy a pair of XS15's for a bit less at a cost of $1,423.10 or they can buy a single XS30 or XS30f for $1,139 or $1,399.00 and at a later date add a complimentary XS15 for an additional $749.00.

If one were to go with a XS30 and a XS15, the total would be $1,888.00 and I'm sure PSA would work in their 5%, second subwoofer discount which makes this package more inline with your $1,500.00 budget. Later if you like, add a second XS15 as it doesn't have to done all at once.

If you want go with the vented choices. Doesn't dig as deep but the vented models make up for it by increasing output in the +15Hz range. It all depends on what important and how you want to cobble the deal together.

Thanks for the suggestions. smile.gif

I've been contemplating all kinds of combos. wink.gif I am leaning towards the ported models for exactly the reasons you've stated.

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Thanks for the suggestions. smile.gif

I've been contemplating all kinds of combos. wink.gif I am leaning towards the ported models for exactly the reasons you've stated.

I think you should fix your roof. Then splurge, you no longer have to worry about your roof. Plus you can enjoy your sub(s) without worrying about leaks! biggrin.gif

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I got those subwoofer blues, the roof leaks and the wife is demanding a new pair of shoes.....ba da da dump dump. Ba da da dump.

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I had to decline his offer to join them as I had to be responsible and do my slaving job to get my pay.

Double siiiiiigh. biggrin.gif

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I do have a much smaller room, around 2400ft3. I don't think I would have considered the XS30's with a room as large as yours. At that point, I would be considering a pair of XV30f's - those subs look incredible.

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I only have a 2400-2500 ft3 room, and I went with a pair of XV30f's. I guess I went a little overkill, but those beasts will certainly fill the room. biggrin.gif
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I think you should fix your roof. Then splurge, you no longer have to worry about your roof. Plus you can enjoy your sub(s) without worrying about leaks! biggrin.gif

Fortunately, with the latest tweaks to my existing sub setup (REW has been very helpful with this) I'm getting new life from my existing sub. I'm also hoping to get a miniDSP to make further improvements, so I'm in no rush to get a new sub. BTW, by seeing what I can get out of my existing sub it will help me further indentify exactly what I want in a new sub. Perhaps by the time I'm ready to purchase I may have more to spend on a sub(s). smile.gif

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I only have a 2400-2500 ft3 room, and I went with a pair of XV30f's. I guess I went a little overkill, but those beasts will certainly fill the room. biggrin.gif

There is no such thing as overkill.........you are good!!!

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i had a late night session night before last. Woke up to a note on my door. Yep, the neighbors can hear and feel the dual xv30fs. frown.gif

You're still lucky. Here, its the police who will come knocking to your door. Fortunately for me, no visitors yet tongue.gif

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Well funny thing..... my neighbor is actually an elected judge for the city. He also married me and my wife. So....... I'm sure the second time would be a call to the police.
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Hey guys, I don't want to get off topic but there was a discussion in this thread somewhere a long while back about determining polarity and correct sub phase.
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1. Reverse the polarity of the left speaker by swapping it's leads.
2. Start playing your pink noise source into the speaker and sub. You will want to disconnect all other speakers temporarily for this test.
There is more to follow that I understand, (forgive my ignorance), I'm lost after step two. I'm assuming the pink noise generator is the AVR, correct me if I'm wrong. How do you get the pink noise to play through left speaker and sub simultaneously? I told you to forgive my ignorance. Here is the rest of the borrowed thread.
3. With the RS SPL meter fixed at your listening position (and having it set to SLOW speed and C-weighting), note the the SPL reading when the phase is 0.
4. Start changing the phase and note the the SPL readings.
5. Pick the phase angle that gave the minimum SPL reading.
6. Reverse the speaker leads to their normal positions and reconnect the rest of the speaker system.

******Since the needle on the SPL meter usually bounces around a bit while measuring bass frequencies it's often easier to find the minumum SPL using this method instead of trying to find the the max SPL.
Guys I really appreciate your feedback here and apologize for my ignorance of subject matter, I'm embarrassed to ask but I'm not to proud to admit when I don't understand something even if it's probably as straight-forward an answer as this one.

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