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post #451 of 33897 Old 11-19-2012, 10:32 AM
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I'm just going by the 20hz max output seen in several tests, which were several dB higher with the VTF. That obviously doesn't tell the whole story, nor does it diminish an excellent product being put out by PSA. You'd be hard pressed to find better value at $799 than the XV-15. They both seem like subs where not much profit is being made per unit, as the build cost is likely very high.
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Hard to say. I'd ultimately like to see a retest of the VTF-15H given the controversy/potential problems with Paul's tests (fat chance).

It would be nice to see Josh's data (if he ever reviews it)just for consistency. Based on the latest(?) charting I saw at AH it looks like the overall output of both units is very similar across the entire (measured) band width...20-63hz (within a dB or so) Both are very good products imo giving the consumer a couple of excellent choices in the $799(XV15)- $1018(Hsu) price range.

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Not sure if you're aware of what happened with the VTF15's numbers.
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/hsu-vtf-15h-supplemental/hsu-vtf-15h-cea-test-results
Paul originally measured 20Hz output at 1m, peak as 109.9dB; subtracting 6dB to go from 1m to 2m and another 3dB for peak to RMS, and you get 100.9dB @ 20Hz. He retested it later and was able to get an additional 1.2 to 1.7dB depending on various factors. Hsu fans were apparently not pleased with this result (although the other manufacturers of the other products Paul measured around that time, Rythmik, SVS, and Funk didn't have any complaints), so now the story is that Paul must have made an error...twice, and apparently only with the Hsu since Josh's numbers line up with Paul's numbers quite well on the FV15HP. Suffice it to say, a bad taste was left in everyone's mouth, so I doubt we'll ever see the true story, and 3dB was added to Paul's numbers across the board to try and put the matter to bed.

Ah, that's right. So, going with the retested numbers, the two subs are looking very similar in output.
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It would be nice to see Josh's data (if he ever reviews it)just for consistency. Based on the latest(?) charting I saw at AH it looks like the overall output of both units is very similar across the entire (measured) band width...20-63hz (within a dB or so) Both are very good products imo giving the consumer a couple of excellent choices in the $799(XV15)- $1018(Hsu) price range.
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I'd say so. Your products are making my upgrade path quite a bit more interesting. Really solid effort.

Any plans to send Josh an XV-30? cool.gif
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I'd say so. Your products are making my upgrade path quite a bit more interesting. Really solid effort.
Any plans to send Josh an XV-30? cool.gif

Thanks LeninGhola,

Being competitive in this industry can be difficult when one of the primary "missions" is to source everything possible from other USA based vendors while doing all of the assembly and QC in Ohio. We know we are atypical in that regard but that's okay as we are are hoping to start a trend..smile.gif


No plans right now for Josh Ricci to get the XV30. Basically you can just look at the XV15 review and add about 3.5dB across the board. The two models share all important design considerations. In fact, I doubt anyone would be able to discern one from the other up to the linear output limits of the XV15.

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Josh's review confirms what I already knew about my dual XV15 and validates the risk I took a few months ago. It's a great product at the price point. I don't have any EQ yet (xmas smile.gif ) but I'm fortunate to get solid +/- 5 response from 80 to 16 hz at my MLP. The design with room gain expected to bring up the low end will vary greatly from room to room, but it works perfectly in my room.

One more thing, Tom. The fact that your products are sourced and built in the USA minus the amp was a big selling point to me. Well done, and I hope this factor sways more people to chose PSA.
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Basically you can just look at the XV15 review and add about 3.5dB across the board
And two feet biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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And two feet biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
And a second driver. wink.gif
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And two feet biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif


And 65 pounds!

I still can't get over how many XV30s we have shipped lately. On the bright side our cabinet vendor mentioned he may need to add another "shift" (I'd guess 2-4 employees) to his spraying process to keep up with our increasing demand.

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This may have been asked already, but are there any plans to make front firing subs?

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Great to read this review after having placed my order last week...makes the wait to get my delivery that much harder. Was originally scheduled to be delivered 11/20 but FedEx just changed that to 11/21 (yet still says on time delivery). Oh well, I've waited this long, one more day isn't going to kill me.
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Got my dual XV-15's hooked up yesterday. Want to thank Tom V, these are absolutely awesome. Loved my HSU VTF-3/3......but these, well
never mind. Could not be happier with Power Sound Audio.

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Got my XV15 today...WOW! So much better than what I have been used to. Ran Audyssey XT and then fired up Cloverfield bridge collapse scene. My girlfriend came downstairs in a panic to tell me that the dishes in the kitchen cabinets were rattling like crazy. The system volume was only at -30db...I love this thing! I can't imagine running at reference sound levels.

The first thing that I noticed, besides the huge gain in output, is how clear and clean the bass sounded. My old sub, a Polk PSW111, always sounded really muddy to me and really struggled.

Of course, now I'm feeling like the other speakers in my setup need to be upgraded too to match the quality of the PSA sub...it never ends does it? tongue.gif
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"it never ends does it" lol i dont think it does, iv only had my speakers few months and i want to upgrade again and 2 xv15s 3 weeks and already want 2 more haha yup never will end

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Gratefully if it ever ends. And yes, it becomes depressing if it does end as then there's no tomorrow and you have to start looking at Bass Boats. eek.gif
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Bee,

It (I think) upgrading never ends. Over 60, and just upgraded to two XV-15's. eek.gif
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It (I think) upgrading never ends. Over 60, and just upgraded to two XV-15's. eek.gif

Congrats on your new upgrade. From reports, once dialed in, you're going be very happy. Today I decided to commit to a DSPeaker Anti-Mode 8033 C. I'll put the order in on Friday or Monday, when ever they start picking the phone up again.

I'm kinda over 60.....by about three months. tongue.gif

Told my wife I needed a new toy today and this seemed like a good expenditure of toy monies.
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Bee,

The antimode 8033S is on my list too, as it does duals (or so I've read). I've got 4 years on you! Damn,
time goes so fast when you get older....just got to enjoy each day. smile.gif

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The antimode 8033S is on my list too, as it does duals (or so I've read). I've got 4 years on you! Damn,
time goes so fast when you get older....just got to enjoy each day. smile.gif
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No point in wasting another day. Why the 8033 S vs the 8033 C? I just need to find out if we need the 8033 C or the 8033 S as our sub-out is a mono signal. Once I have an answer to that question, then I'll have them ship a unit and once again, get those old subs, dialed in.
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No point in wasting another day. Why the 8033 S vs the 8033 C? I just need to find out if we need the 8033 C or the 8033 S as our sub-out is a mono signal. Once I have an answer to that question, then I'll have them ship a unit and once again, get those old subs, dialed in.

Bee, I have Googled this and read many posts (the 8803C version and 8033S version). The general consensuses was
that if you co locate, or have two subs placed symmetrically from the listening position (I have mine in each corner,
and basically sit in the middle between the two) it can combine the sound of the subs for smoothest frequency.

I could be wrong of course. I wish someone would chime in and say yes that's true, or rubbish you need to buy
two 8033 eq's, one for each sub regardless of placement. Bsoko2 (a frequent poster on AVS) had an antimode
8033 and 4 Epik Empire subs, and he used on 8033 to go to all subs and he was really impressed.

Bsoko2 got rid of the Epik subs and ended up buying Submissive subs He still uses one antimode 8033 (for all 3) and he's
very happy with the results also.

Anyways my 2 cents,

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This may have been asked already, but are there any plans to make front firing subs?


Hello, we always seem to have various designs in different stages of development. At least one is front firing. There is no set schedule when a new design is ready though. We simply keep working on it until we are comfortable that it is as good as it can get. So it could be weeks or months until more detailed information is released.

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Thank you Tom. I love what I read about your subs and would like to buy, however, I love being able to see the driver, which is why I prefer front firing -- thats half the fun to me. I look forward to future announcements.

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Thank you Tom. I love what I read about your subs and would like to buy, however, I love being able to see the driver, which is why I prefer front firing -- thats half the fun to me. I look forward to future announcements.

I hear what you are saying JWoody, I like to see the driver as well. However, I bought the XV-15 and this is the first down firing sub I have ever owned. I must say, I have much more piece of mind with my 5 and 2&1/2 year old playing around the down firing sub!
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Jwoody i like my subs showing too thats y i took the bottom riser off both mine and placed them on there sides and never noticed any sound difference with that but u have to get shorter screws to screw back into the holes other wise if u used the old ones they would be to long and puncture the foam r whatever is in side.

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I hear what you are saying JWoody, I like to see the driver as well. However, I bought the XV-15 and this is the first down firing sub I have ever owned. I must say, I have much more piece of mind with my 5 and 2&1/2 year old playing around the down firing sub!

Any concerns with the large port and young children? I have a 21 month old and a newborn at home. I envision toys making their way through the port.. I'm looking to replace a single svs pc13 with duals of something. The xv15 is at the top of my list currently.
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Any concerns with the large port and young children? I have a 21 month old and a newborn at home. I envision toys making their way through the port.. I'm looking to replace a single svs pc13 with duals of something. The xv15 is at the top of my list currently.

What about the XS15 then? It's sealed so there are no ports to collect toys.

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Any concerns with the large port and young children? I have a 21 month old and a newborn at home. I envision toys making their way through the port.. I'm looking to replace a single svs pc13 with duals of something. The xv15 is at the top of my list currently.
I have my sub in the corner with the port facing the corner. It really is too big for the kids to get behind it. I think they are more intrigued playing on top of the sub.

Dual XV-15's would sound amazing. Couple of the guys here have that setup.
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What about the XS15 then? It's sealed so there are no ports to collect toys.

Have been considering these as well. Looking forward to your review smile.gif

Coming from an svs pc13, I don't want to give up too much on the low end. I do feel I'm missing that upper punch though that I think the psa will give me?? The duals with 15" vs 1 13" sounds like it will be a lot of fun. I also have very uneven response across the room - duals should help with this as well. I just acquired an antimode and moved the svs nearfield, which helped a bit, but still lacking. Was placed farfield with a bfd for eq. Both measure flat, but different "feel" from moving it.

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I have my sub in the corner with the port facing the corner. It really is too big for the kids to get behind it. I think they are more intrigued playing on top of the sub.
Dual XV-15's would sound amazing. Couple of the guys here have that setup.

One of the xv15's would be behind my theater seating with the port facing in a direction that would force them to climb over it to get to the port. Depending on room response and testing, the second sub may need to have placement as you described.


I hope my logic in replacing the pc13 will give me the results I'm looking for.
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Have been considering these as well. Looking forward to your review smile.gif

I'm sitting here listening to it as we speak (well, type anyway). The XS15 is currently setup with some ARX speakers I'm also reviewing -- the A1b's and an A2b -- and I gotta say this makes for one helluva combination. I'm liking this group. These folks may never get their speakers and subwoofer back now... tongue.gif

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Coming from an svs pc13, I don't want to give up too much on the low end. I do feel I'm missing that upper punch though that I think the psa will give me?? The duals with 15" vs 1 13" sounds like it will be a lot of fun.

The PC13 is probably a very nice sub, but I suspect it would be decimated by a pair of XS15's. To me that seems like a really solid upgrade.

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