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XV15 owners anybody experience port noise with deep bass I'm reading in some reviews?

Nope.. and i've gotten mine loud and deep

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That's a pretty good deal, why are you selling them if you don't mind me asking?

Really they sound great but we just cant get over their looks in the room, they don't really go with the decor at all. I'll probably move up to one of the veneer options from PSA or a Rythmik.
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Really they sound great but we just cant get over their looks in the room, they don't really go with the decor at all. I'll probably move up to one of the veneer options from PSA or a Rythmik.

I hear you on that, if I didn't have a dedicated room setup and if my XS30's were going to be in my living room I would of definitely gone with the veneered XS30's. Man the pictures of them look great.
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I hear you on that, if I didn't have a dedicated room setup and if my XS30's were going to be in my living room I would of definitely gone with the veneered XS30's. Man the pictures of them look great.

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Ok ao im seriously thinking of ugtading from xv15 to an xs30. Anyone want to buy an xv15?
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Ok ao im seriously thinking of ugtading from xv15 to an xs30. Anyone want to buy an xv15?

how much and are you willing to ship it?

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Ok ao im seriously thinking of ugtading from xv15 to an xs30. Anyone want to buy an xv15?

Nice Brian, very nice move!!!

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Ok ao im seriously thinking of ugtading from xv15 to an xs30. Anyone want to buy an xv15?



Why not add another?

If I had room for a 4th I would take it...I plan on a 4th If/when I get a dedicated HT room. smile.gif

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Swapping it out just to go sealed seems like kind of a lateral. Why not just add another? That would be a real upgrade.

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Nice Brian, very nice move!!!

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I'm trying to decide between the two, what does the XS30 get you over the XV15?
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I'm trying to decide between the two, what does the XS30 get you over the XV15?

6db more mid bass and possibly deeper extension depending on the room size. It takes 2 XV15's to equal the mid bass of the XS30, however 2 XV15's will have 4-6db more 15-30hz output.

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6db more mid bass and possibly deeper extension depending on the room size. It takes 2 XV15's to equal the mid bass of the XS30, however 2 XV15's will have 4-6db more 15-30hz output.

That's not entirely true Basshead. Right from PSA's; there's only 0.5dB difference between the XV15 and XS30 from 20-31hz, and the port tune of the XV15 is roughly 18hz according to Tom. Below the port tune the XS30 is going to just pull away from the XV15, at least that's what I was told by Tom. And the XV15 is going to roll off pretty good below 18hz.

So I would think its more accurate to say that from 18-30hz the XV15 holds a very slight advantage, everywhere else the XS30 wins.
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That's not entirely true Basshead. Right from PSA's; there's only 0.5dB difference between the XV15 and XS30 from 20-31hz, and the port tune of the XV15 is roughly 18hz according to Tom. Below the port tune the XS30 is going to just pull away from the XV15, at least that's what I was told by Tom. And the XV15 is going to roll off pretty good below 18hz.

So I would think its more accurate to say that from 18-30hz the XV15 holds a very slight advantage, everywhere else the XS30 wins.

I said DUAL XV15's vs a SINGLE XS30....and no it does not roll of that fast below 18hz. Do I need to break out the crayola crayons for you to understand my post? tongue.gif


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I said DUAL XV15's vs a SINGLE XS30....and no it does not roll of that fast below 18hz. Do I need to break out the crayola crayons for you to understand my post? tongue.gif


LOL... I didn't see that you were talking about duals compare to a single XS30.. My bad tongue.gif

Below the port tune though the XS30 will still have more output then the XV15, unless Tom was lying to me! tongue.gif
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I said DUAL XV15's vs a SINGLE XS30....and no it does not roll of that fast below 18hz. Do I need to break out the crayola crayons for you to understand my post? tongue.gif


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LOL... I didn't see that you were talking about duals compare to a single XS30.. My bad tongue.gif

Below the port tune though the XS30 will still have more output then the XV15, unless Tom was lying to me! tongue.gif

Niether did the person who clicked your thumbs up button tongue.gif


Fwiw Tom told me the XV15 will hang with the XS30 down to around 15hz then the XS30 pulls away. I was simply trying to explain to the member I quoted what the gains are going to a XS30 over a XV15. Which is +6db more midbas output and more output below 15hz which can vary to some degree depending on the room.

It would be nice if some XS30 owners would actually measure thier subs instead of bench racing them. smile.gif

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Niether did the person who clicked your thumbs up button tongue.gif


Fwiw Tom told me the XV15 will hang with the XS30 down to around 15hz then the XS30 pulls away. I was simply trying to explain to the member I quoted what the gains are going to a XS30 over a XV15. Which is +6db more midbas output and more output below 15hz which can vary to some degree depending on the room.

It would be nice if some XS30 owners would actually measure thier subs instead of bench racing them. smile.gif

LOL... I know it's all good, but it would actually be closer to 7dB if it were two stacked XV15's. But I know that you already knew that too wink.gif
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I would totally expect the XV15 to be right there with the XS30 @ 15hz, I just don't think it would have any output advantage @ 15hz. I would expect them to be pretty much even, and then from below 15hz the XS30 to walk away from the XV15.

I still personally feel that for the money the XV15 is one of the best bang for buck subs on the market!
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Or just sell the XV15 and Buy two XS30's maybe in a nice veneer smile.gif That would solve any output problems and take care of any WAF complaints of why do we have two subs!

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Well my goal is to get stronger output in the low tees to single digits which the xs30 will get me. I think in my current setup it will fit too where the xv15 is since its not much wider. Here is what Tom had to say:

comparing the XV15 to the XS30 is fairly easy for me. you can expect really strong energy down to the 8-10hz range from the XS30. Not a big difference(assuming the XV digs down to the 14-15hz range) but it would definitely be noticeable when the source material does contain big bass effects <15hz-16hz. In terms of output, the XV15 and XS30 will be fairly close in the 15-35hz range. But in the mid and upper bass(40-100hz) the XS30 will have a substantial edge. In fact you will be looking at about twice the output(or a 5-7dB increase in headroom).
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Allow me to be a polite cynic. From 40Hz to 20Hz, one goes from ~116dB to ~105dB (a full half as loud) and distortion goes from 12% to 27%; acceptable to unacceptable. In my opinion, that's a driver being over driven.

(what am I missing?)

To me, it reads as if folks are expecting waaaaay too much out of a single driver XV15 when being compared to a dual driver XS30.

It also reads as if a person has the type of expectations being represented in conversation and spreadsheet, one should consider three XV15's as opposed to a single XV15.

Personally, I believe the XS30 should be accompanied by a minimum of an adjacent XS15 and it reads as if some are expecting performance on the cheap in the form of a single subwoofer solution when it's understood, that ain't gonna happen.

(what am I missing?)

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im confused...was that aimed at me?
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No. Hence why I twice asked; "what am I missing?" Many is the time my thoughts run off in the wrong direction.

(Hey, Bee, we're over here!)

If I'm commenting in general to a conversation, I don't quote anybody and if I'm commenting to someone's comments, I quote their comments so one knows what I'm commenting on and to whom it is I'm responding to. My apologies if my above came across as personal to you or anyone else.

In the end, most conversations of this type are moot. Without room measurements and if subwoofers aren't chosen to compliment a room's structure, one's expectations are likely not going be met, And when one includes a sense of aesthetics with a wife's approval factor, one is surely going be disappointed in the output of their subwoofer system. And then there's always the limitations of one's wallet as most don't have the Benjamins to support the purchase of a proper subwoofer system.

In our case, I've come to the conclusion that to fill our 3,300 cu ft living room, with smooth subwoofer based Home Theater sound which takes into account the typical interconnected adjacent rooms, our subwoofer system would reasonably comprise of two XS30's (stacked) and two ancillary XS15's ($3,872.10) in additional locations to aid in smoothing out the room modes. The above budget does not include a "needed" AVR upgrade to a Denon, 4520CI and "needed" upgrades to existing surrounds to more efficient surrounds. In the grand scheme of things, three little itty-bitty minor details greatly limit the genius of the above idea.

1. WAF.

2. Aesthetics.

3. Benjamins

One should note, with the above setup, depth of extension and output is not a problem. Nor is there concern for headroom or harmonic distortion. One can work on the last two impediments on the list (Aesthetics/Benjamins) but for most, the WAF is a powerful force indeed.

Great expectations, major disappointments and when one expects to much from too little, little things break.

(hopefully the above clarifies my position on the original comment you asked about)

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it does, thanks...

yeah I am in the one subwoofer boat....right now the output using my xv15 with antimode is flat from 16-80hz slight dropoff around 15 down to 12hz

I would like a gain in single digits...area and this should take care of that smile.gif
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Well my goal is to get stronger output in the low tees to single digits which the xs30 will get me. I think in my current setup it will fit too where the xv15 is since its not much wider. Here is what Tom had to say:

comparing the XV15 to the XS30 is fairly easy for me. you can expect really strong energy down to the 8-10hz range from the XS30. Not a big difference(assuming the XV digs down to the 14-15hz range) but it would definitely be noticeable when the source material does contain big bass effects <15hz-16hz. In terms of output, the XV15 and XS30 will be fairly close in the 15-35hz range. But in the mid and upper bass(40-100hz) the XS30 will have a substantial edge. In fact you will be looking at about twice the output(or a 5-7dB increase in headroom).

Thats exactly what Tom told me and what I posted a page back. My thing is why just one sub? Also there is very little source content(less then 10%) below 15hz so you are not missing much. I think the XS30 would be a solid upgrade, but 1 is not enough. Sell the XV15 and get a pair of 30's or add another XV15. As I previously mentioned if you add another XV15 you will match the XS30 mid upper bass and have roughly 6db more output in the 15-30hz range where 90% of movie lfe resides.

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it does, thanks...

yeah I am in the one subwoofer boat....right now the output using my xv15 with antimode is flat from 16-80hz slight dropoff around 15 down to 12hz

If one has to suffer the indignities of being adrift in a boat, that sounds like a might fine boat to be drifting in but at the same time, one must consider the eventual goal of the pursuit and what does one find acceptable.

In the case of systems, wives, budgets and aesthetics, creeping up on the end game, in my opinion, is the best solution. In our case, we're working with three subwoofers and an Anti-Mode, 8033S II in which to be able to move subs about, EQ, measure and learn about our room's acoustics. When the upgrade candle is finally lit, I'll have an excellent idea of what to expect as subs are slowly added. In my opinion, the XS30 is a good place to begin with expectations of more to follow.

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