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Move into a BOMB shelter, that's basically what my HT room is like, I don't hear anything from outside my house, sometimes I don't even know if the sun is shining or it's raining out.
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Hi Reefdvr27,I have the disc and totally agree but Dolby Digital Plus sound just as good
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Blackmambakila, you should try watching it on the new Denon DBT 3313 player (set to bitstream) instead as the Xbox audio is just Dolby Digital.
I go every Tuesday and pickup up the new releases. I will watch nothing without a bluray. I would like to experiment with the USB slot on the Oppp 103 and try streaming and compare the sound. I believe allot of people do that around here and say it is on par with bluray.

Do you prefer to let the blu ray player decode your disc's? I tried using the bitstream, but I prefer my 4520 to decode.


Loving the news on the Triax. I saw it on Facebook last night. 40lbs is a pretty big deal. I cannot wait to unleash the fury. Talking with the Architect the other day discussing plans for my dedicated build, we were getting in to acoustics and he is suggesting that I build over my garage to get the best sound out of my subs and front stage.
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I go every Tuesday and pickup up the new releases. I will watch nothing without a bluray. I would like to experiment with the USB slot on the Oppp 103 and try streaming and compare the sound. I believe allot of people do that around here and say it is on par with bluray.

Do you prefer to let the blu ray player decode your disc's? I tried using the bitstream, but I prefer my 4520 to decode.


Loving the news on the Triax. I saw it on Facebook last night. 40lbs is a pretty big deal. I cannot wait to unleash the fury. Talking with the Architect the other day discussing plans for my dedicated build, we were getting in to acoustics and he is suggesting that I build over my garage to get the best sound out of my subs and front stage.

Im not sure if the denon 4520 would sound better then Bitstream with the 3313 blueray player but id like to find out. Ima compare them tonight after work. Man I cant wait for the Triax, ima take pictures of the Triax driver beside the Trinity driver and im posting a video of my setup and play some music videos showing what they do to the house with everything up to the kitchen in chaos! biggrin.gif How do you get blueray copies before they hit stores? How much do I have to pay for this luxury? biggrin.gif

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I have been granted approval for an additional sub by the wife.

Now what she does not know is that I am considering the xv30 for my roughly 2350 cubic foot room.

I am concerned that dual 15 inch ports might sound sloppy with music????

Is the XS30 the XV30 in sealed form?? The reviews are great on the XS30 but can only find one on the xv30?

I see the size of the xv30 is enormous, but really it is no bigger than 2 separate subs from psa put together (at least by much).

I have a dedicated theater so size of the sub is not concerning to me.

What is most important to me is being able to blend well with my Goldenear
Triton II's. I do want to dig deep in movies as well. The triton's do well for mid bass, and some lower bass. I want to go deeper! I have a Paradigm PW2200 which is a capable sub, but my thinking is that 1 xv30 will take up the duty of 2 subs in my space, giving me the quasi quad set up I am looking for. That goal is to blend well with the GE's and have minimal nulls. and dig deep.
The XV30 will go directly behind the couch.

My room dimensions are: 11feet wide/27feet long/8feet high.

Listening 50/50 Music/Movies.

Is this goal attainable or Are there tradeoffs when talking about speakers.
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A bit of Triax info from Tom;

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Great news Tom! Looks awesome! Do you suspect or know that it will perform as well if not better than the previous driver?

A bit better in several areas---which shouldn't be a surprise as it costs(and weighs) 50-60% more.

I'd like to say it is a "day/night" upgrade but our original design was really quite good. Once to get to this level of performance improvements tend to be incremental. The motor is much larger which allowed us to eek out a little more efficiency. It took a few rounds of mods (voice coil, suspension tweaks) but we were also able to keep the native FR closer to target. So less DSP massaging is needed and high level compression improves slightly.

So the good news is the overall performance of the Triax is improved in several key areas. The bad news is the Triax weight goes from 190(ish) to 230(ish).

Jim and I will revisit the pricing structure on the Triax once all the Pre-orders are shipped. Our costs have gone up quite a bit due to the new driver design and as much as I hate to say it...there could be a price increase in the near future.

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Actually vudu streams all new release movies and thousands more in HDX quality, its way better than netflix. The quality is just like blueray but I still buy all my movies in blueray I just watched war world z because on vudu you can see the movies before they come out in stores biggrin.gif

The only problem I can see is that new movies on Bluray, with DTS-MA or DD, are HUGE files, I have ripped a few of my movies to 1:1 copies so I can put the physical disc away in storage, and just stream the movie from my NAS, and when I get done, some of the movies are 30+gig in size. To d/l a 30gig movie over my connection which is 30megabit, it would take me longer to d/l the movie than to actually watch it, so I doubt you are getting the Full fidelity of a true bluray by using a streaming service. They have to make a compromise somewhere to prevent people from watching the data faster than they can download it, which means decreasing the quality.
When I stream from my NAS, I have my house wired with CAT6 for gigabit ethernet, which is plenty capable of streaming a 1:1 bluray rip, but over the internet, unless you are one of the lucky few with the new Google Fiber Optic Internet, I doubt you are getting the true quality of a blueray. wink.gif
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The only problem I can see is that new movies on Bluray, with DTS-MA or DD, are HUGE files, I have ripped a few of my movies to 1:1 copies so I can put the physical disc away in storage, and just stream the movie from my NAS, and when I get done, some of the movies are 30+gig in size. To d/l a 30gig movie over my connection which is 30megabit, it would take me longer to d/l the movie than to actually watch it, so I doubt you are getting the Full fidelity of a true bluray by using a streaming service. They have to make a compromise somewhere to prevent people from watching the data faster than they can download it, which means decreasing the quality.
When I stream from my NAS, I have my house wired with CAT6 for gigabit ethernet, which is plenty capable of streaming a 1:1 bluray rip, but over the internet, unless you are one of the lucky few with the new Google Fiber Optic Internet, I doubt you are getting the true quality of a blueray. wink.gif

Thanks for the input, in that case ill try and wait for the actually blueray discs to be in my hands before watching. 90% of the time I buy the bluerays but sometimes when Vudu shows a big hit available before it hits stores I get tempted to stream it early. I'd rather wait though and get the best quality, which is the whole point to spending on good equipment in the first place. I figured blueray discs were better overall than streaming but just never put much thought in it, thanks for your advice. smile.gif

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Dude, so we might be looking at getting our Triax by next week! Lets see who knocks the light fixtures down 1st, After all I've got renters insurance now. Where are you going to place your Triax in your setup? Im Thinking about the right front corner but I'm not sure how many inches of gap I should leave between each side of the Triax and each side of the walls in the corner.

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Yeah, 230 lbs! It's going to be real interesting getting this beast from the garage into the house (have to go up a step). Suggestions how to do so are welcome!

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Yeah, 230 lbs! It's going to be real interesting getting this beast from the garage into the house (have to go up a step). Suggestions how to do so are welcome!

Bribe a few buddies with beer to help you move it?.....lol
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Honestly I wouldn't do it without a dolly.

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Honestly I wouldn't do it without a dolly.

I have a couple of furniture dollies I used to move a sleeper sofa (damn thing was so heavy!). I dont know their rated capacity. Hopefully they're sturdy enough to handle the Triax?




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Looks like it should work but without a rating its hard to say (did you look anywhere for a rating on it?

Anyways, if anybody is near a Home Depot you can get a 1,000lb one for $20: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-1000-lb-Capacity-Furniture-Dolly-33700/100057209#.UjZl_WTXhqg

I'm assuming Lowe's has similar or a local hardware store might carry them too.

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Honestly the only thing.that might show a rating for weight will be the wheels.

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Looks like it should work but without a rating its hard to say (did you look anywhere for a rating on it?

Anyways, if anybody is near a Home Depot you can get a 1,000lb one for $20: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-1000-lb-Capacity-Furniture-Dolly-33700/100057209#.UjZl_WTXhqg

I'm assuming Lowe's has similar or a local hardware store might carry them too.

I don't see a rating on them. I believe I got them from Lowes and they look pretty much just like the one you linked to, except without the handle cutout. Also just like that one they were $20 ea.

PS - I just measured mine and the dimensions are exactly the same as the one from HD you linked.

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Dude, so we might be looking at getting our Triax by next week! Lets see who knocks the light fixtures down 1st, After all I've got renters insurance now. Where are you going to place your Triax in your setup? Im Thinking about the right front corner but I'm not sure how many inches of gap I should leave between each side of the Triax and each side of the walls in the corner.
We should get it in a couple weeks, i have the smaller room so i will knock the fixtures down first....HA... Mine will go in the front, probably right corner also smile.gif

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Honestly the only thing.that might show a rating for weight will be the wheels.

I don't see any markings on the wheels either.

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I'd like to place sliders under the Triax, and leave them there, once I have it in the living room so I can slide it around myself to fine tune position or clean around it. My floor is Berber carpet/padding over concrete.

What do y'all think of using something like this?

http://www.amazon.com/EZ-Moves-Furniture-Lifter-Slides/dp/B0059ATZY8/ref=pd_sim_hi_5

I'm thinking the broad surface area of these sliders will make moving easy as well as preventing the sub from sinking too much into the carpet/padding making the Triax difficult to move later.

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We should get it in a couple weeks, i have the smaller room so i will knock the fixtures down first....HA... Mine will go in the front, probably right corner also smile.gif

Mine will go in the front left corner were the SVS cylinder is now. smile.gif


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I think I may be one of the last ones to get the Triax, all the way over in central cali. But that said, even when R&L Carriers delivered my XV30F it only took about a week.

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I'd like to place sliders under the Triax, and leave them there, once I have it in the living room so I can slide it around myself to fine tune position or clean around it. My floor is Berber carpet/padding over concrete.

What do y'all think of using something like this?

http://www.amazon.com/EZ-Moves-Furniture-Lifter-Slides/dp/B0059ATZY8/ref=pd_sim_hi_5

I'm thinking the broad surface area of these sliders will make moving easy as well as preventing the sub from sinking too much into the carpet/padding making the Triax difficult to move later.

I used these when I brought my XS30 home. It was very easy to move (also on berber carpet) once these were under it. It just slides around.
Granted, the Triax weighs twice as much, but I think it would work well.

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I used these when I brought my XS30 home. It was very easy to move (also on berber carpet) once these were under it. It just slides around.
Granted, the Triax weighs twice as much, but I think it would work well.

Sorry if I'm dense, but do you mean the ones in my link or different ones? redface.gif

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I finally had time to go through my wiring and redo my setup, I'm in the final stages and ready for the Triax. I just setup the Denon 3313udci blueray player and linked it to the Denon 4520ci receiver via dual hdmi, one going from blueray to TV and 2nd from blueray to receiver, also a Denon hd link from blueray to receiver. I've assigned extra dedicated channels to both left and front towers and to the center all in biamp mode, even though its probably not much different I had extra wire and a bunch of extra channels not being used so I did it for the heck of it. I tested everything on the new start trek movie and also Jurassic park ( T-Rex scene off course) and so far I've noticed an overall power gain compared to the pioneer elite receiver. I cranked up the volume and everything just kicks ass just how I wanted it to! It sounds so crisp and clear, I even noticed sounds on some other clips that weren't present before. The only issue I had was that the drivers on my fronts and center were vibrating too hard with the receiver crossover set at 80hz. I changed the front, center, and rear surrounds to 120 hz on the receiver crossover and this seemed to fix that issue. I have a question about that issue, what differences will there be playing movies with the speakers set at 120hz? Why do they vibrate too hard at 80hz? I'm thinking its because the woofers on the 5 surround speakers aren't very large so maybe this is the lower frequencies doing this? It'd only do this off course when I'd up the volume to where I like, but the speakers still sound good so I just want to learn how to tweak the receiver so that they don't get hit with that heavier vibration.

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Sorry if I'm dense, but do you mean the ones in my link or different ones? redface.gif

The same ones in your link! smile.gif

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What is most important to me is being able to blend well with my Goldenear
Triton II's. I do want to dig deep in movies as well. The triton's do well for mid bass, and some lower bass. I want to go deeper! I have a Paradigm PW2200 which is a capable sub, but my thinking is that 1 xv30 will take up the duty of 2 subs in my space, giving me the quasi quad set up I am looking for. That goal is to blend well with the GE's and have minimal nulls. and dig deep.
The XV30 will go directly behind the couch.

My room dimensions are: 11feet wide/27feet long/8feet high.

Listening 50/50 Music/Movies.

Is this goal attainable or Are there tradeoffs when talking about speakers.
?

There's always a trade off.....from your wallet to someone else's hand. One would be better served buying a XS30 for nearfield placement, measure the results and if necessary, add one or two, XS15's, placed in different room locations to smooth out the subwoofer's output to the room's acoustics.

In truth, in your room, the Paradigm, PW-2200 is not enough subwoofer to evenly keep up with the PSA, XS30 and will leave a noticeable difference when it's capabilities drop out of the equation. In short, your output will suffer, every time the PW-2200 lags the output capabilities of the PSA, XS30. The flub, in the form of the XS30, you're linking the likes of two, fifteen inch subwoofer drives in a sealed room, which are capable of 12Hz playback with that of a single twelve inch driver capable of about 20Hz playback with little output by comparison. It's sort of like a community college team playing the 49er's, despite the 49er's Sunday performance against Seattle. Of course the college team wants to believe they're up to the task, but in short, even though the 49er's totally embarrassed themselves Sunday (the list of reasons is too long to articulate) the college team would get killed. Same for your subwoofer.

(to all who watched yesterday's 49'er game, my apologies)

In my opinion, FWIW, music is not Home Theater and Home Theater is not music. Mostly, music is a continuous bass line where as Home Theater is sound effects; NASCAR vs Top Fuel drag racing. For the most part, NASCAR is arguably run at a continuous speed and the drag racing is balls to the wall, in less than five seconds, zero to plus three hundred MPH and pop the chute, or the ability of the engine to provide instantaneous headroom to drive the Home Theater sound special effects laden sound track. Two different auto sports with two different purposes. Music and Home Theater are the same, two different types of bass reproduction within the same driver based genre. In conflict with what others might have to say on the matter, my opinion, build for (music or Home Theater) and the other will follow.

When putting your subwoofer, sound reproduction system together, realize; "YOU MUST HAVE ROOM MEASURING CAPABILITY." If one doesn't take the time to download and install a freeware copy of REW, with measuring microphone and sound meter in hand, they're "NEVER" going get the best (tight, smooth, even) bass out of "ANY" subwoofer, sound reproduction system. Once set up, to the best REW measures, both styles of sound reproduction will be what you're wanting, tight, smooth, even bass that a listener will find engaging.

Does your AVR have Audyssey, MultEQ XT or XT32 as an EQ program? To get the best out of your nearfield placed subwoofer, you'll need an AVR provided EQ capability such as is the case of the forum standard, Audyssey and room measuring capability to aid with subwoofer placement.
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Guys, I want to make sure I'm getting the best performance from my Triax when it arrives. This is what I have now to get started with, Galazy CM-140 SPL, AVR with Audy XT, just picked up a laptop from my sister, Bosch LDM. Going to download REW and get familar with it. I guess I need a good mic (suggestions). Is Mini-DSP reco'd or another route. I need all the help I can get, I'm a novice when it come to taking measurements, so I'm open to all suggestions, thanks guys.
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Guys, I want to make sure I'm getting the best performance from my Triax when it arrives. This is what I have now to get started with, Galazy CM-140 SPL, AVR with Audy XT, just picked up a laptop from my sister, Bosch LDM. Going to download REW and get familar with it. I guess I need a good mic (suggestions). Is Mini-DSP reco'd or another route. I need all the help I can get, I'm a novice when it come to taking measurements, so I'm open to all suggestions, thanks guys.
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