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post #631 of 33916 Old 12-09-2012, 04:09 PM
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Tom v is okay from what I had been reading here it seems that im making the right purchase thank you guys.


I believe you'll be quite happy. We've had a production sample going through various listening sessions in different room environments over the past few weeks. it is really a well balanced design.

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What are you guys finding that you need to set the gain knob at? I've recently received an XV-15 and I'm finding that at the midnight position, I barely get any output at all. I need to set it at a minimum of 3pm to get much out of it. Seems odd

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What are you guys finding that you need to set the gain knob at? I've recently received an XV-15 and I'm finding that at the midnight position, I barely get any output at all. I need to set it at a minimum of 3pm to get much out of it. Seems odd

Haven't gotten mine yet, but the concern of gain position on the PSA's has been discussed a bit. It would seem that the gai of the psa amps is much more linear, and many others are not. Some subs out there, when operating with the gain in the, say 12oclock position, may be using the majority of power and not have much left past that. The PSA subs seem to employee a no "tricks" approach...not that others are tricking us, but really, what good is it to turn the gain to 12 and think you are using half power, when you are really closer to maxed out than you think. I like the idea that I know how much of the amps power I am trying to use because it is actually always relative to the gain position. It doesn't matter much I guess, I'm just a straight forward kind of guy. So, that is the really long answer to your question:). Tom has said on more than one occasion to just turn the gain up until your desired level of output is met. Obviously one needs to be mindfull of the avr setting, gain setting and how hard things are being pushed, but in general I agree.
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I agree,i have a XV -15 and as others have said,turn the gain to about the 2:00 position and it really comes to life,esp. with movies that have alot of LFE.It goes really low too,definitely lower than any sub i've ever had .
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My XV15 duals are essentially level with my mains with the knob exactly at 12:00. I run them +3 db hot on the receiver, but they sound fantastic when called upon.
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What are you guys finding that you need to set the gain knob at? I've recently received an XV-15 and I'm finding that at the midnight position, I barely get any output at all. I need to set it at a minimum of 3pm to get much out of it. Seems odd

Hi Joffer,

That is quite normal as others have mentioned. With many subwoofers the gain knob is nearly "all in" barely one third through its rotation. Our gain controls are a bit less sensitive. As long as you can reach proper bass calibration levels everything is fine....the actual position of the gain knob is irrelevant. Remember, the gain control on a powered subwoofer is *not* a volume control. All the gain control does is match the voltage coming from your receiver's subwoofer output jack to the input stage of the built in amp(in the sub).

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Thanks Tom

Just getting this baby dialed in. Earth-shattering so far

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Thanks for the kudos.
We always have various projects in the "pipeline" but we prefer not discussing them until we are very close to a release date. We would rather avoid the "hype up the vaporware" contests that go on around the forums at times..smile.gif
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I remember you mentioning this early in this thread when I first inquired about a possible cylinder design that would be a worthy upgrade for my 16-46PC+. I guess I had hope we might be closer to hearing about upcoming new models. wink.gif

I'll stay tuned. smile.gif

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Thanks Tom
Just getting this baby dialed in. Earth-shattering so far
Joffer, I think we all experienced the similar issue. The difference between 12 and 2 on my XV-15 was pretty significant. Once you get it dialed in, you will be happy! Are you using Audeyssey or anything like that to calibrate?
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Joffer, I think we all experienced the similar issue. The difference between 12 and 2 on my XV-15 was pretty significant. Once you get it dialed in, you will be happy! Are you using Audeyssey or anything like that to calibrate?

Yeah, ran Audyssey, it seems to really be dialing the subs back. I've got the XV-15 paired with a eD A3-300. Audyssey set them both around -8.5

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Yeah, ran Audyssey, it seems to really be dialing the subs back. I've got the XV-15 paired with a eD A3-300. Audyssey set them both around -8.5
Audyssey set my sub to -5.0. If you want a little more boom, you can always increase it in the receiver. I tested it out and moved it from -5 to 0...it was definitely louder but much boomier. I think I have it at the sweet spot right now. I believe as long as you are in between -12 and +12 you are good to go.
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Man, that's a bummer that the XS-30 came out so soon after I ordered mine. I would have been quite tempted for the $300 difference, but I don't want to go through the cost or hassle of shipping my XS-15 back.

Glad to see it is an option though, it should be a beast!

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HI all. So I've made up my mind to buy a PSA sub but need help on deciding. My room is about 2800 cf with about a 38"x 7' opening to the up stairs. My only placement due to furniture, sliding glass door and other small openings to a small computer nook and bathroom and of course WAF, is behind my ent center. The ent center is in the corner so it has corner loading going for it. I was on the website ready to buy the XV15 when I saw the XS30. I use this ent system for 70% movies and 30% music. I am new to the HT world compared to most of you but I want do it right. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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HI all. So I've made up my mind to buy a PSA sub but need help on deciding. My room is about 2800 cf with about a 38"x 7' opening to the up stairs. My only placement due to furniture, sliding glass door and other small openings to a small computer nook and bathroom and of course WAF, is behind my ent center. The ent center is in the corner so it has corner loading going for it. I was on the website ready to buy the XV15 when I saw the XS30. I use this ent system for 70% movies and 30% music. I am new to the HT world compared to most of you but I want do it right. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Tom is a great help on this kind of thing, I shot him some emails and he got back to me with great information. I have more cf than yours and I'm happy with my xv15. I think the xs30 would give you more of a reference fill, and if it's in your price range, that would be the one I would go with.

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So reference fill/level being the upper volume levels? Sorry for the ignorance of the term. With a 3 year old and the wife I don't get to really push my system on many occasions. Not to say they don't arise. I should say I am upgrading from a polk PSW110 which has lumbered along with minimal satisfaction. I recently upgraded my mains to KEF IQ70's and noticed the polk craps out way before they do and the FR is basically the same on the low end for the mains and sub. I guess I'm trying to upgrade proof myself for a while
and just wondered if the XV15 would do the job.
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I just read that last post and it obviously sounds crazy. Going from polk POS110 to any PSA is going to be night and day.
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Just go to PSA's webpage and email Tom, he'll go over everything with you and give you an honest opinion on what will suit your room best. and give you the pros and cons of each of his subs. Top notch customer service.
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Will do. Thanks.
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I see once again I waited too long to order and now I am a** out. Maybe some cancellations ??

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So reference fill/level being the upper volume levels? Sorry for the ignorance of the term. With a 3 year old and the wife I don't get to really push my system on many occasions. Not to say they don't arise. I should say I am upgrading from a polk PSW110 which has lumbered along with minimal satisfaction. I recently upgraded my mains to KEF IQ70's and noticed the polk craps out way before they do and the FR is basically the same on the low end for the mains and sub. I guess I'm trying to upgrade proof myself for a while
and just wondered if the XV15 would do the job.

Basically, "reference level" is a predictable, repeatable volume level standard. The premise is that each full range channel can be required to produce up to 105dB of clean output at your key seating positions. The Subwoofer(s) can be required to produce 118-121dB if you want full reference level playback capability. This information is very useful when trying to determine the "how much" subwoofer(or speaker, or amplifier) you need to meet your performance expectations.

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I see once again I waited too long to order and now I am a** out. Maybe some cancellations ??


We're already filling up fast on the January production run so if anyone is considering the XS30 please email me asap and I will answer all your questions. support@powersoundaudio.com

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not sure what's going on ,tom write here that the xs30 got sold out till January but there is not update about that on the website confused.gif

First production run is long-gone. Second production run will be mid January. Any new order will ship in mid January. Website will be updated to reflect this as soon as time allows.

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I just read that last post and it obviously sounds crazy. Going from polk POS110 to any PSA is going to be night and day.

Given your situation and placement options and WAF, I would go with the XV15, you will be very happy, and it will be a night and day diffrence with the Polk;)
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First production run is long-gone. Second production run will be mid January. Any new order will ship in mid January. Website will be updated to reflect this as soon as time allows.

Ok, I was finally able to pick up the XS30. Too bad I missed the December cut off date though because that would've been super nice to have it during the week of Christmas while I'm off from work. Now the waiting game....man, I haven't bought a sub with much power and punch before, so I'm definitely feeling like a little kid and very anxious for it's arrival. I want to hear my movies with a bit of slapping in the face and pounding of the chest smile.gif I'll need to re-rent War of the Worlds for sure when I get the sub b/c I've heard the pod sequence was one of the best bass scenes to revisit.

Lastly, thanks to the wifey for being so understanding smile.gif

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Ok, I was finally able to pick up the XS30. Too bad I missed the December cut off date though because that would've been super nice to have it during the week of Christmas while I'm off from work. Now the waiting game....man, I haven't bought a sub with much power and punch before, so I'm definitely feeling like a little kid and very anxious for it's arrival. I want to hear my movies with a bit of slapping in the face and pounding of the chest smile.gif I'll need to re-rent War of the Worlds for sure when I get the sub b/c I've heard the pod sequence was one of the best bass scenes to revisit.
Lastly, thanks to the wifey for being so understanding smile.gif

I know our first impulse is to grab the "wow factor" films for initial demos but don't ignore your favorite music CD or concert DVD/BR. Once you have the XS30 really dialed in (placement, bass levels, and phase all dialed in) pop a disc in for a quick one song demo , and you may find yourself listening to the entire concert..smile.gif

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The wait to get my XS30s are both exciting and painful at the same time !
Can't wait to get that chest pounding slam factor these subs will produce.
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The wait to get my XS30s are both exciting and painful at the same time !
Can't wait to get that chest pounding slam factor these subs will produce.




I cant wait too biggrin.gif Tom write me that mine arrive the 19 or 20 next week wink.gif
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I cant wait too biggrin.gif Tom write me that mine arrive the 19 or 20 next week wink.gif

Lucky you! How about you ask Tom to switch your order with mine since......ahhhh.......since......ahhhh.....since you have a nice avatar as a speaker. I am lonely, with no avatar.......Yeah, that's sounds like a good enough excuse...hehehe...j/k................or am I? smile.gif

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Lucky you! How about you ask Tom to switch your order with mine since......ahhhh.......since......ahhhh.....since you have a nice avatar as a speaker. I am lonely, with no avatar.......Yeah, that's sounds like a good enough excuse...hehehe...j/k................or am I? smile.gif

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