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hmm my umm-6 goes below 18hz even tho its calibration file is for 18hz-20khz.

the umik-1 is calibrated from 20hz-20khz.

I use a windows 7 laptop
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What if I don't have hdmi out, just use 3.5mm jack?
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how loud did you have it?
-15 on my receiver, all the settings in the setup menu for the sub were set to 0 are in the negative, nothing had it running hot.
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What if I don't have hdmi out, just use 3.5mm jack?

My laptop lacks HDMI so I use the 3.5mm jack and haven't had any issues.

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hmm my umm-6 goes below 18hz even tho its calibration file is for 18hz-20khz.

the umik-1 is calibrated from 20hz-20khz.

I use a windows 7 laptop
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hdmi cable from pc to avr(no need to worry about soundcard calibration issues)

I thought I read somewhere that the UMIK was calbrated to 15hz? Perhaps it was just a post from someone who was guessing or also heard that through the grapevine.

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Gotcha.. Is REW easy to use on a macbook? That's only laptop I have. It has Windows 7 on it also wonder if that would make it easier.

Once one figures out how REW works, everything is point-n-click so it can't get any easier than that.

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I thought I read somewhere that the UMIK was calbrated to 15hz? Perhaps it was just a post from someone who was guessing or also heard that through the grapevine.

I am pretty sure looking at my calibration file it was calibrated to 5hz

Edit: just looked at my calibration file from cross spectrum labs and it is calibrated to 5 hz

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I thought I read somewhere that the UMIK was calbrated to 15hz? Perhaps it was just a post from someone who was guessing or also heard that through the grapevine.

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I am pretty sure looking at my calibration file it was calibrated to 5hz

Edit: just looked at my calibration file from cross spectrum labs and it is calibrated to 5 hz

If you bought the mic direct from minidsp, they had issues with their calibrations in the past so it will depend on when you downloaded the file. For awhile they were calibrated to 5hz, than 20hz and now when I plug in my serial number, it goes down to 10hz. Of course it will still measure down to 5hz, it just won't have correction values.

http://www.minidsp.com/forum/umik-questions/8868-re-umik-1-update

http://www.minidsp.com/products/acoustic-measurement/umik-1

If you bought the mic from cross spectrum labs, it is calibrated down to ~5hz.

http://cross-spectrum.com/measurement/calibrated_umik.html
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I thought I read somewhere that the UMIK was calbrated to 15hz? Perhaps it was just a post from someone who was guessing or also heard that through the grapevine.

I used the source for my information...

http://www.minidsp.com/images/documents/Product%20Brief%20-%20Umik.pdf

Getting Started with REW: A Step by Step Guide -->http://www.roomeqwizard.com/REWhelp.pdf

Mini DSP Tutorial by Neutro --> http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...g-minidsp.html
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My laptop lacks HDMI so I use the 3.5mm jack and haven't had any issues.

Ok, thanks!
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Once one figures out how REW works, everything is point-n-click so it can't get any easier than that.

Once you have REW up and running, the hardest thing is putting it down and coming to the dinner table.

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I was looking over at Spec Labs mics and saw they had some discount mics for UMIK sent them a msg to see what exactly happened to them as no description was provided. Do you usually set these up a specific way at your MLP or is there a attachment for a boomstand or how so? Yea, will be interesting when getting it all setup as I'm anxious to see and yet scared to see how bad my room is and why I seem to be getting this large boost I believe in Aud..... smile.gif
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Question on the placement of the XS30.

I am looking to buy either a PSA or Rythmik sub and I only have space for one. Has to look a bit like a coffee table, deploy a 15-inch woofer and be no deeper than about 22 inches.

The XS30 would be ideal for my space if I can position it so the drivers fire out of each side along the front right wall. Be about 12 inches of clearance on each side. The sub is only 18 inches deep from what I can see from the back plate to the plain front, and 23 inches wide.

Like to know how you position your xs30 and what the difference is. Who does it like I am suggesting.
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That should work fine long as the one driver is not firing into the couch. however imo the xs30 will not look like a coffee table, the grills give it away.

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The grills don't bother my wife and we would mostly see veneer given the sub's location. One woofer would fire into a wall and the other partly at a entertainment unit.

I could alway put a custom glass piece on top. Then again, virtually nobody among our neighbors or circle of friends even know what a subwoofer is - until I demonstrate to them, bass head. They will think its some kind of table and even sit on it!
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Prestam,you can't run Dynamic EQ at high volumes. Leave it off. Seems like everyone on this forum loves to just crank the volume and push their gear. I don't understand it myself.
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I do it that way and it sounds great. Fills the whole room with bass. 2000 sq ft..
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I am pretty sure looking at my calibration file it was calibrated to 5hz

Edit: just looked at my calibration file from cross spectrum labs and it is calibrated to 5 hz

I'll have to take a look at my calibration file.

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I used the source for my information...

http://www.minidsp.com/images/documents/Product%20Brief%20-%20Umik.pdf

Well there you go. Straight from the horse's mouth. smile.gif

I noticed in one of the links above it says while the calibration file only goes down to 20hz, you can measure lower than that. Anyone know how far off the UMIK from miniDSP is below 20hz? Is it just a few db that won't matter much to those not concerned with absolute accuracy?

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Ok, thanks!
I was looking over at Spec Labs mics and saw they had some discount mics for UMIK sent them a msg to see what exactly happened to them as no description was provided. Do you usually set these up a specific way at your MLP or is there a attachment for a boomstand or how so? Yea, will be interesting when getting it all setup as I'm anxious to see and yet scared to see how bad my room is and why I seem to be getting this large boost I believe in Aud..... smile.gif

I do use a boom stand to place the mic at my main LP (at ear level). I also point the mic straight ahead (not sure if the matters for measuring bass frequencies).

I do remember my UMIK coming with some kind of clip or adaptor to hook to a boom stand. The stand I bought already had a mic clip attached, so I'm not using the one that came with the mic.

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Question on the placement of the XS30.

I am looking to buy either a PSA or Rythmik sub and I only have space for one. Has to look a bit like a coffee table, deploy a 15-inch woofer and be no deeper than about 22 inches.

The XS30 would be ideal for my space if I can position it so the drivers fire out of each side along the front right wall. Be about 12 inches of clearance on each side. The sub is only 18 inches deep from what I can see from the back plate to the plain front, and 23 inches wide.

Like to know how you position your xs30 and what the difference is. Who does it like I am suggesting.

Yeah, I think it should work. You just make sure the amp plate is facing your wall, so the only visible part will be the other face of the cabinet and of course the drivers on each side. I did something similar at my room, but the XS30 is used in a near field location right behind my sectional.

Here are a couple of pics (please note I'm using a Auralex Gramma for this sub)

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I hope this helps!
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Thanks CR. I guess most owners of the xs 30 position them along the side walls, no? Seems odd to put them against a front wall with the main speakers. Would be weird for me to put a sub in that spot and have one driver staring out and the other facing the wall.
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Prestam,you can't run Dynamic EQ at high volumes. Leave it off. Seems like everyone on this forum loves to just crank the volume and push their gear. I don't understand it myself.

Actually you can run Audyssey DEQ at any level you want - the closer you get to reference , the less DEQ makes any changes. At reference DEQ is essentially inactive, and if you happen to ever listen above referenced, DEQ starts to reverse the changes it makes below reference.

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Thanks CR. I guess most owners of the xs 30 position them along the side walls, no? Seems odd to put them against a front wall with the main speakers. Would be weird for me to put a sub in that spot and have one driver staring out and the other facing the wall.

Here is how mine are setup.

http://cdn.avsforum.com/3/33/33b8a2c5_front.jpeg

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Thanks CR. I guess most owners of the xs 30 position them along the side walls, no? Seems odd to put them against a front wall with the main speakers. Would be weird for me to put a sub in that spot and have one driver staring out and the other facing the wall.

Well, if one has enough room to put it at the front stage, with enough clearance from the front speakers to position it along the front wall, then I don't see a problem with that. Even with one driver facing the sitting area and the other one to the wall, it shouldn't be a problem as long as you are giving some room to the driver that is facing the wall. Bass is omnidirectional, so how the driver is facing shouldn't be a problem. Look at the options in the market: subs with front, floor, side facing drivers to name few. Even the mighty Triax is different in how the drivers are placed.

So, you shouldn't worry much about that as long as you have few inches of space / clearance so the driver can perform at its maximum potential......wink.gif

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I am pretty sure looking at my calibration file it was calibrated to 5hz

Edit: just looked at my calibration file from cross spectrum labs and it is calibrated to 5 hz

You are correct
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Question on the placement of the XS30.

I am looking to buy either a PSA or Rythmik sub and I only have space for one. Has to look a bit like a coffee table, deploy a 15-inch woofer and be no deeper than about 22 inches.

The XS30 would be ideal for my space if I can position it so the drivers fire out of each side along the front right wall. Be about 12 inches of clearance on each side. The sub is only 18 inches deep from what I can see from the back plate to the plain front, and 23 inches wide.

Like to know how you position your xs30 and what the difference is. Who does it like I am suggesting.
We had our XS30 firing one side into the wall and the other towards the couch and could use it for a coffee table too if needed. This was in a near field placement and it worked great for us. We have since moved...
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I used the source for my information...

http://www.minidsp.com/images/documents/Product%20Brief%20-%20Umik.pdf

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I'll have to take a look at my calibration file.
Well there you go. Straight from the horse's mouth. smile.gif

I noticed in one of the links above it says while the calibration file only goes down to 20hz, you can measure lower than that. Anyone know how far off the UMIK from miniDSP is below 20hz? Is it just a few db that won't matter much to those not concerned with absolute accuracy?

The specs from the pdf show 20hz - 20khz, but if you look at the screenshot of a sample calibration file, it shows calibration down to 10hz. I guess it is possible the calibration below 20hz isn't as accurate so doesn't fall within a +- 1db window. The calibration of my umik-1 from minidsp goes to 10hz.

Here is a comparison of the calibration from minidsp and the calibration from CSS of my umik-1. I don't know about other mics, but for my mic it appears the minidsp calibration is low below 20hz.



And here is a measurement comparison between my CSS calibrated EMM6 mic and the umik-1 using the CSS calibration. First overlayed, than offset. Dark blue is umik-1. The umik-1 measures a couple db lower than the emm6 below 20hz. Who knows which is closer to being accurate.



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Here is how mine are setup.

http://cdn.avsforum.com/3/33/33b8a2c5_front.jpeg


Everytime I look at the XS30s in photos they look more like squares than the sub's actual rectangular measurements. Odd. But I did a cardboard cutout and I know it's not quite as big as the photos make them out to be. Big, all right, but not too big for my room. Thanks for showing sealmaniac.
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For a single sub, very nice.
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So, you shouldn't worry much about that as long as you have few inches of space / clearance so the driver can perform at its maximum potential......wink.gif

Did you already purchase your sub? What finish did you order?


I haven't chosen yet, cr. I am deciding between the XV15 and XS30 or a 15-inch sealed Rythmik. Those are the only two brands that can meet my WAF-influenced criteria for size (less than 22 inches deep), looks, price and sound quality/deep-down performance. The Hsu's are too deep and I dislike the SVS grills.

I was leaning strongly toward Rythmik because the piano black would go great with my white lacquer, custom built ET unit. But I hadn't given PSA a close look until just this week. Tom V. sold me an SVS 20-39 cylinder sub years ago and gave me the same great customer service back then. Figured I should find out what he was up to. Emailed back and forth a few times and he recommends the XV15 or XS30 for my 4,000 SF area given my peculiar needs.

The PSAs are more prose than poetry but my wife says they look fine enough for her. The XS30 is what I am zeroing in, as you can tell. I created a cardboard cutout to show the floor space and height that the XS30 would take up, and I put it in the spot I plan to locate my new sub (I am quite restricted in that regard). See the photos.




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I haven't chosen yet, cr. I am deciding between the XV15 and XS30 or a 15-inch sealed Rythmik. Those are the only two brands that can meet my WAF-influenced criteria for size (less than 22 inches deep), looks, price and sound quality/deep-down performance. The Hsu's are too deep and I dislike the SVS grills.

Man at least you are down to only two brands, so you are almost there.........wink.gif Now, we need to have a serious conversation on your dislike towards the SVS grills.............those things are beautiful.

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And during a zombi attack you can use them as a shield............you never thought about that, right?

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I was leaning strongly toward Rythmik because the piano black would go great with my white lacquer, custom built ET unit. But I hadn't given PSA a close look until just this week. Tom V. sold me an SVS 20-39 cylinder sub years ago and gave me the same great customer service back then. Figured I should find out what he was up to. Emailed back and forth a few times and he recommends the XV15 or XS30 for my 4,000 SF area given my peculiar needs.

Yeah, Tom is a great guy. He is very polite and honest in his responses. He never pushed me on trying to sell me anything, but he was great giving me recommendations, observations on my gear and he is very knowledgeable on how to achieve the best based on my specific requirements. By the way, he seems to work 24/7. He answered emails late at night, over the weekends and during a holiday............eek.gif

Here is a better look of the XS30 that I purchased from him:






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The PSAs are more prose than poetry but my wife says they look fine enough for her. The XS30 is what I am zeroing in, as you can tell. I created a cardboard cutout to show the floor space and height that the XS30 would take up, and I put it in the spot I plan to locate my new sub (I am quite restricted in that regard). See the photos.

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You are golden, if you wife already told you the XS30 looks fine to her, then go ahead and place your order man.......pronto!

That spot looks fine, just make sure the glass on the doors to the left of your room are well secured..................the XS30 will hit them hard............eek.gif

Good luck and keep us posted on your final decision!
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I am not like most AVS'ers - I don't actually like seeing what's underneath a grill! Hence my dislike of the SVS models I considered.

Prefer a clean look that blends in with the surroundings so long as the speakers sound as good or better with the grills. I've got floorstanding Dahlquists in my secondary HT in the basement and Focal/JM Labs in the attic. The grills stay on. Ditto for my two other, er, secondary subs.

BTW, the woofer won't fire into the glass. It will directly hit the drywall, which has foam insulation behind it. (The room is part of a newly built addition). The glass is part of a heavy duty set of French doors and would be about 12-14 inches away from the woofer diagonally. Very sturdy.

My 13-year-old daughter says I have to buy the sub soon because she wants to watch Iron Man for her birthday. So maybe I will. (-:
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