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Make sure they arrive the same day or you might have some explaining to do. wink.gif

Hehe yeah honey, they're like Legos, they ship them in pieces. It keeps them from getting damaged and makes the shipping easier, that's why there's 2 of them, see when I stack them it's just 1 sub. biggrin.gif
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Getting me in trouble. I don't think I can handle setting up 2 Triax's by myself lol. The XV30s were bad enough.
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Yes...its calibrated too low. Look at the graph, the main speakers are louder. The sub needs raised 5db.
Its wierd. When i use test tones and spl meter its actually calibrated 3db hot. Now what?

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Its wierd. When i use test tones and spl meter its actually calibrated 3db hot. Now what?

I would trust what rew says over the spl meter.
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Hmmm. Fear Factory has some good bass. They are a bit on the industrial side, but fun to listen to loudly neverthelss. Try their album "Obsolete".

I actually have one abum by Fear Factory, "Remanufacture", which is a techno-industrial remix of "Demanufacture" if I'm not mistaken. It's been years since I listened to it.
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I enjoy some Gojira as well. Their latest Blu-ray concert is top-notch and my wife absolutely hates it. My daughter is always asking to listen to that "crazy music". It gives her a chance to jump on the couch!

Lol how old is she? I'll have to try Gojira, never heard of it. My own 3-year-old daughter, upon listening to "Master of Puppets" by Metallica (almost devoid of bass though), spontaneously began to headbang, and she even shouted "Master! Master!" along. Note that she has no idea what the song's about, she doesn't even speak English yet biggrin.gif
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Dethklok has a good bit of bass, you might want to check them out.Devil Driver isn't bad either, or maybe Rob Zombie's Hillbilly Deluxe album.

I'll try Dethklok and Devid Driver for sure. I happen to own Hillbily Deluxe -- haven't listened to it in ages.
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I would trust what rew says over the spl meter.

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Its wierd. When i use test tones and spl meter its actually calibrated 3db hot. Now what?

What mic are you using with REW? Is is calibrated?
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first measurement with audyssey and minidsp engaged...I did audyssey first THEN EQ'd....should i do it the other way?

Audyssey should always be the last thing you do.
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ok snuck out for lunch...much better graph...i figured out the problem...damn MAC


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What was it Brian?
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It seems with a touch of tweaking, you're sweet to a minimum of <12Hz. Congrats! biggrin.gif

General board question: what's considered reasonable (functional) to expect vs what is considered esoteric that's more bragging than functional?
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Looks good! I would run the sub 5db hotter but thats jmo.
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To be fair, I haven't got my Mini DSP yet, but shouldn't Brian be able to easily pull down those peaks at 18 and 60hz?

Where's you crossover set Brian? If it's at 80hz, have you tried the sub distance tweak to try and smooth that transition out a bit more?
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After looking at the graph, I'm seeing a harmonic thing going on; first order at 15Hz, third at 45Hz. And if one were to add +3dB to the center channel level slider, that might help with the right side of the graph.

FWIW, I'm looking to upgrade to an AVR that has XT32 from our current AVR that has XT to help tame our graph as I see your Onkyo has XT.

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To be fair, I haven't got my Mini DSP yet, but shouldn't Brian be able to easily pull down those peaks at 18 and 60hz?

Where's you crossover set Brian? If it's at 80hz, have you tried the sub distance tweak to try and smooth that transition out a bit more?

I noticed he has 1/6 smoothing. Brian please post a unsmoothed version of the graph so we can see how bad those peaks are.
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What was it Brian?

i wasnt working the macbook workaround correctly

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It seems with a touch of tweaking, you're sweet to a minimum of <12Hz. Congrats! biggrin.gif

General board question: what's considered reasonable (functional) to expect vs what is considered esoteric that's more bragging than functional?

I will try to figure out a house curve...haven't gotten there yet...I need a longer USB cable so I can do real time minidsp tweaking while being able to immediately run REW.


as far as bringing down the peaks...I was only using the PEQ's that REW was generating...like i said...once I get the longer usb cables...tweaking will commence haha

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I noticed he has 1/6 smoothing. Brian please post a unsmoothed version of the graph so we can see how bad those peaks are.

i can do that tonight when i get back home...thanks!

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This looks just like the one I picked up at the local Ace Hardware for 99 cents.


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The outer ground is for the wall plate screw? And did you guys screw the screw in? No PSA yet but, I'm hoping on one soon. Thx.
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The outer ground is for the wall plate screw? And did you guys screw the screw in? No PSA yet but, I'm hoping on one soon. Thx.
I never have in the past.

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I never have in the past.
Thanks.
Also fyi, Home Depot has these for less than a dollar.
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Also fyi, Home Depot has these for less than a dollar.
You guys with the humming, have you looked into a ground loop isolator? I know that cheater plug is the work around but with such an expensive sub...I would personally try and attack the problem. I don't know enough about electricity, but I assume the ground is there for a reason.
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You guys with the humming, have you looked into a ground loop isolator? I know that cheater plug is the work around but with such an expensive sub...I would personally try and attack the problem. I don't know enough about electricity, but I assume the ground is there for a reason.
I used to have the big Monster power amp and I had the hum... I called them up and their solution was to use a cheater plug. I know it may not be the right way but it was straight from the horses mouth as to what to do to fix it.

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I'll be sure to post pics of the xv30 along with the new LCR speakers.

And we'll look forward to your first thoughts on the XV30. Nice upgrade. wink.gif
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In case anyone was curious. The XV30 is a massive sub. I mean its big. I thought my brother in laws ultra was big till i got this beast in the house. I cant permanently set it up until the end of the month when the theater space is done. I did plug it in today and give it a test drive. I will have to may run audessy on my old denon just to get the levels somewhat close.

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You have some nulls to address...might try and plase with the distance and phase adjustment.
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I used to have the big Monster power amp and I had the hum... I called them up and their solution was to use a cheater plug. I know it may not be the right way but it was straight from the horses mouth as to what to do to fix it.
I hear yah, like I said, it's just what I would do with my expensive toy. Wish an electrician could chime in, hah wink.gif it just almost seems like there is no point to the ground then? I used one on my plasma and never had any issues, because it was a weird 90 degree angle.
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ok after finding a longer cord here is some tweaking with a house curve:

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I cant figure it out,

but anytime I run audyssey after it ruins the response...I need to get xt32

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Just for giggles, the next time you can crank your system, check out this funny song called "cat daddy" it comes up first in the youtube results. It has some crazy mid punch bass and then it's got some insane low drops, and clean bass. This isn't my normal type of music but I love the bass on it!
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