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i can't believe you have been running with no surrounds.  not that it's that major of a deal, i just figured you had the everything covered on setup with as often as you post.  lol.  of course, I KNOW you are covered in the sub area!  i think you will love them even more when you sense an heavy gun shot or explosion that originates from behind you.  the lightning from WOTW comes to mind because you hear it crack in the surround, but you FEEL it from the subs.  very cool indeed.  

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I think if you are a bit uncomfortable trying to get REW setup, the omni-mic would be a great alternative.
I have an OmniMic (v1) and, FWIW, I'll attest to the fact that basic set-up and measurement functionality is pretty straightforward. smile.gif
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So, I just had to drop by this thread and comment on my customer service experience with Power Sound today.

I don't own a PSA sub (yet), but today I emailed their sales support to get an international shipping quote (I'm in Canada) on both a single and double XV15se package.

First off, I was floored that Tom responded personally to my email - and on a holiday, no less!

Then, he took the time to ask me some questions about my setup, room, listening levels and habits, etc. He even went as far as to download the manual for my receiver, to get some information on Yamaha's YPAO reference calibration! Are you kidding me??? Wow!

Then, he actually suggested to me a dual XS15se package, indicating that not only did he think that I would get a better sonic experience vs. either a single or dual XV15, but it would also be CHEAPER! Can you believe a business owner actually recommending a cheaper option to a potential customer? And unsolicited even, as I hadn't considered or even mentioned the XS.

Overall, I am very impressed, to say the least - and I haven't even bought anything yet! With an experience like this at the inquiry stage, this certainly puts Power Sound very high on my short list of options.

Thank you, Tom!

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So, I just had to drop by this thread and comment on my customer service experience with Power Sound today.

I don't own a PSA sub (yet), but today I emailed their sales support to get an international shipping quote (I'm in Canada) on both a single and double XV15se package.

First off, I was floored that Tom responded personally to my email - and on a holiday, no less!

Then, he took the time to ask me some questions about my setup, room, listening levels and habits, etc. He even went as far as to download the manual for my receiver, to get some information on Yamaha's YPAO reference calibration! Are you kidding me??? Wow!

Then, he actually suggested to me a dual XS15se package, indicating that not only did he think that I would get a better sonic experience vs. either a single or dual XV15, but it would also be CHEAPER! Can you believe a business owner actually recommending a cheaper option to a potential customer? And unsolicited even, as I hadn't considered or even mentioned the XS.

Overall, I am very impressed, to say the least - and I haven't even bought anything yet! With an experience like this at the inquiry stage, this certainly puts Power Sound very high on my short list of options.

Thank you, Tom!

Yep, they're definitely good people. Great customer service, above and beyond the call in fact.

I'm waiting (impatiently :P ) for the upcoming speakers. lol biggrin.gif If I come up with the funds, I'll purchase another XV15, smile.gif
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So, I just had to drop by this thread and comment on my customer service experience with Power Sound today. ...
Glad to hear that you had a good experience with PSA. It's reassuring to potential buyers...especially up here in Canada (given the extra costs & hassles). cool.gif
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I'm awestruck. I just re-watched Prometheus. Holy cow.

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I'm with you Climber...most of the good bass movies I have watched were with one sub.....now that I have duals I need to re watch everything lol.  I have never been very impressed with the Washington Monument scene from OHF, so I popped that in today....couldn't do a top speed run, but the extra output that I have down low with duals now made a huge difference on this scene...it is not a loud scene, but the tactile rumble was extremely powerful(only went to -11).  I had always been underwhelmed previously compared to the pod scene for example.  I guess picking up 10 dB or so of output down low makes a difference :D


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I have an OmniMic (v1) and, FWIW, I'll attest to the fact that basic set-up and measurement functionality is pretty straightforward. smile.gif

My friend, I can get the newer version V2 right now for $273 delivered with a software disc and free mic stand. Are you saying that this device is comparable to using REW, and yes I'm intimidated with REW even though I have a laptop with HDMI. TIA. smile.gif Also wil this help me out with four XV15SEs?
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i can't believe you have been running with no surrounds.  not that it's that major of a deal, i just figured you had the everything covered on setup with as often as you post.  lol.  of course, I KNOW you are covered in the sub area!  i think you will love them even more when you sense an heavy gun shot or explosion that originates from behind you.  the lightning from WOTW comes to mind because you hear it crack in the surround, but you FEEL it from the subs.  very cool indeed.  

I know right?  I can't wait to get them installed, especially since I am going with full range surrounds that are flat down to 60 Hz and not just satellites.  Last time I had surrounds was with my HTiB 5-6 years ago...little coffee cup sized JBL's.  Our new house and living room is a bit more challenging for surround speakers, but the end result will be the best asthetically, and no compromise on the audio quality side.  It's just what my dual PSA's need..icing on the cake :D 

 

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... I can get the newer version V2 right now for $273 delivered with a software disc and free mic stand. Are you saying that this device is comparable to using REW ...
As far as I can tell, yes, it's comparable.
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Also wil this help me out with four XV15SEs?
Not sure what you mean. It will measure the FR regardless of the # of subs being used.

Tweaking the response of your system - using something like a miniDSP - is a separate operation, regardless of whether you go with OmniMic or REW.
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Will Omni Mic software generate an eq program specifically for the miniDSP like REW's free program does?  That is the only thing I would be concerned about....REW and miniDSP are designed to work together, perhaps Omni Mic will as well, but I would probably check on that before purchasing.

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So, I just had to drop by this thread and comment on my customer service experience with Power Sound today.

I don't own a PSA sub (yet), but today I emailed their sales support to get an international shipping quote (I'm in Canada) on both a single and double XV15se package.

First off, I was floored that Tom responded personally to my email - and on a holiday, no less!

Then, he took the time to ask me some questions about my setup, room, listening levels and habits, etc. He even went as far as to download the manual for my receiver, to get some information on Yamaha's YPAO reference calibration! Are you kidding me??? Wow!

Then, he actually suggested to me a dual XS15se package, indicating that not only did he think that I would get a better sonic experience vs. either a single or dual XV15, but it would also be CHEAPER! Can you believe a business owner actually recommending a cheaper option to a potential customer? And unsolicited even, as I hadn't considered or even mentioned the XS.

Overall, I am very impressed, to say the least - and I haven't even bought anything yet! With an experience like this at the inquiry stage, this certainly puts Power Sound very high on my short list of options.

Thank you, Tom!


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Anyone have a Picture of the XS15......

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Can someone tell me what I am looking at here?  Point out the good, the bad, and the ugly please.

 


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Will Omni Mic software generate an eq program specifically for the miniDSP like REW's free program does?
As far as I know, miniDSP and Dayton haven't co-ordinated the inclusion of a similar feature in the OmniMic software.
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I have been learning up on this as well, so here are my 2c and needs to be validated by someone who knows this well.

Ideally you need to see a high contours in a narrow band all through the spectrum. The excursion to higher residence times at higher wavelengths (lower freq) indicates there is room for improvement if the subs can deliver. The higher decay time may cause not a tight punch/bass? The good thing is other than the lower freq starting from about 25 hz it looks pretty tight and good. Is there a dip in all SPL between 80-100 Hz?
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Can someone tell me what I am looking at here?  Point out the good, the bad, and the ugly please.



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My FR looks pretty choppy out past 80 Hz.  I messed around with phase and crossovers and it just doesn't change.  Must just be my room/MLP/speaker placement.  I would like to improve it if there is an easy fix though.  I even tried using the crossover on the subs and it just would not improve above the crossover.  Maybe stepping up to XT32 in the future would improve?  The only easy option to try is to bring my L and R closer together by a few feet and see if that changes anything.


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Thank you guys, I message Tom about the power cord ,he said that as long as its rated for 10 amps(or more) I'm fine.


Also what are the disadvantages of going wireless with the sub, any sound quality loss? or other issues that I should worry?
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Thank you guys, I message Tom about the power cord ,he said that as long as its rated for 10 amps(or more) I'm fine.


Also what are the disadvantages of going wireless with the sub, any sound quality loss? or other issues that I should worry?

The only concern would be the distance setting. If you have a calibration system such as Audyssey, it shouldn't make a difference.

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Guys, can I download REW on my laptop and practice anything as far as the learning curve goes without buying a mic and mini DSP yet? I guess mini DSP goes hand in hand with REW correct. I'm going to at least download the software to say I did at least that:eek: Is there a particular version I should get or doesn't that matter (REW)?
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One more question, what would give me a better FR two XV15SEs stacked in the front L$R corners or having them collocated side by side in the front L&R corners, kind of like having dual XV30SEs if I collocate. Should I just stick to my original plan of two up front and two in the rear, I'm looking for the easiest way to calibrate four of these things with my limited knowledge. tongue.gif
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My understanding....the best smoothing generally comes from corner loading and spreading them out as far as possible, so perhaps four corners if that is an option.  The subwoofer crawl can help identify potential good spots, and once you have REW downloaded, it has a room simulator function where you input the dimensions of your room, location of your MLP, and experiment with multiple subwoofer placement.  It will show you projected FR.

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My understanding....the best smoothing generally comes from corner loading and spreading them out as far as possible, so perhaps four corners if that is an option.  The subwoofer crawl can help identify potential good spots, and once you have REW downloaded, it has a room simulator function where you input the dimensions of your room, location of your MLP, and experiment with multiple subwoofer placement.  It will show you projected FR.

I made up my mind, I'm going to take the REW mini DSP plunge..........smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

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Guys, can I download REW on my laptop and practice anything as far as the learning curve goes without buying a mic and mini DSP yet? I guess mini DSP goes hand in hand with REW correct. I'm going to at least download the software to say I did at least that:eek: Is there a particular version I should get or doesn't that matter (REW)?
Thanks Jeff

Sure, go to ht shack amd download rew...then open it up and start playing with all the functions. smile.gif
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One more question, what would give me a better FR two XV15SEs stacked in the front L$R corners or having them collocated side by side in the front L&R corners, kind of like having dual XV30SEs if I collocate. Should I just stick to my original plan of two up front and two in the rear, I'm looking for the easiest way to calibrate four of these things with my limited knowledge. tongue.gif
Cheers Jeff

Spread them out. The XV's are no slouch in output so reap the benefit of a smooth response throughout your room and do not handicap them by co-locating them.
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So, I just had to drop by this thread and comment on my customer service experience with Power Sound today.

I don't own a PSA sub (yet), but today I emailed their sales support to get an international shipping quote (I'm in Canada) on both a single and double XV15se package.

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Then, he actually suggested to me a dual XS15se package, indicating that not only did he think that I would get a better sonic experience vs. either a single or dual XV15, but it would also be CHEAPER! Can you believe a business owner actually recommending a cheaper option to a potential customer? And unsolicited even, as I hadn't considered or even mentioned the XS.

Overall, I am very impressed, to say the least - and I haven't even bought anything yet! With an experience like this at the inquiry stage, this certainly puts Power Sound very high on my short list of options.

Thank you, Tom!

It is pretty incredible - but also completely normal for PSA. I have sent emails to Tom before late at night and them went to bed thinking he will respond the next day only to find out he responded soon after I sent the email.

Not sure if they ever take a day off - or sleep!!
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Thank you guys, I message Tom about the power cord ,he said that as long as its rated for 10 amps(or more) I'm fine.


Also what are the disadvantages of going wireless with the sub, any sound quality loss? or other issues that I should worry?

The delay with a wireless kit could cause issues depending on what the max distance setting is on your avr. Most wireless kits will add a delay of say 15-20ft. If you have Audyssey and it sets the sub at 15 ft, adding the 20 extra ft from the wireless kit could max out your distance setting.
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Sitting here with the kids watching another bass sleeper movie. Percy Jackson the lighting thief has some super bass.
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Sitting here with the kids watching another bass sleeper movie. Percy Jackson the lighting thief has some super bass.
This is one of my favorites. Super loud bass especially in the hydra scene

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