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Just ordered a pair of XS15se to go with my XS30's..... my wife originally did not have a problem but we were amongst friends and a bit of wine was flowwing...smile.gif

i fear she might chop my you know what off ... eek.gif

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someone recomended where to get a Y female-female-female splitter... i think bass or bear. i did some google searches and came up empty.

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My FR looks pretty choppy out past 80 Hz.  I messed around with phase and crossovers and it just doesn't change.  Must just be my room/MLP/speaker placement.  I would like to improve it if there is an easy fix though.  I even tried using the crossover on the subs and it just would not improve above the crossover.  Maybe stepping up to XT32 in the future would improve?  The only easy option to try is to bring my L and R closer together by a few feet and see if that changes anything.

Bear - have you tried changing your sub distance setttng in the AVR (i.e. "the distance tweak")?
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Yeah I messed around with this, going up and down a few feet and never got a worthwhile change.  I think part of the issue is that the response of my speakers alone is quite messy.....adding subs does not seem to improve it much.  The only change I can really do in speaker placement is moving them about 3 feet closer together, and I doubt that is going to change things(but worth a try).  I have a pretty big peak at 100 Hz from the speakers, and my room correction is doing pretty much nothing to change it.  Might take manual eq, which I currently cannot do(could route through the miniDSP maybe?) or better room correction.  From what I can tell, YPAO isn't doing much to fix things.

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someone recomended where to get a Y female-female-female splitter... i think bass or bear. i did some google searches and came up empty.

I got mine from Radio Shack http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103793

 

or amazon

 

http://www.amazon.com/Video-Audio-Splitter-Adapter-Female/dp/B003L1AI8O/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1401228880&sr=8-16&keywords=rca+y+adapter

 

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Yep . although the one I have now is about 7 or so inches I'm sure either or..... Thanks

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Bear. Also play with toe in and such. Tiny little movement of speakers can have a large effect of your response and imaging and soundstage
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Yeah I messed around with this, going up and down a few feet and never got a worthwhile change.  I think part of the issue is that the response of my speakers alone is quite messy.....adding subs does not seem to improve it much.  The only change I can really do in speaker placement is moving them about 3 feet closer together, and I doubt that is going to change things(but worth a try).  I have a pretty big peak at 100 Hz from the speakers, and my room correction is doing pretty much nothing to change it.  Might take manual eq, which I currently cannot do(could route through the miniDSP maybe?) or better room correction.  From what I can tell, YPAO isn't doing much to fix things.

Your 373 does not have a 9 band peq that you can adjust manually for all speakers? I know my 773 does which is the only reason I ask...

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I just watched The Incredible Hulk ( 2008 ) with the XS30es, WOW!!!!!!!!!! very clean output. The Beast is really opening up nicely!!!!!

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Your 373 does not have a 9 band peq that you can adjust manually for all speakers? I know my 773 does which is the only reason I ask...

Ah...yeah, if I don't use YPAO eq, but it has a band at 63 and another at 160..........160 is a dip so I can't cut, and I don't think the one at 63 hits much at 100.

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Ah...yeah, if I don't use YPAO eq, but it has a band at 63 and another at 160..........160 is a dip so I can't cut, and I don't think the one at 63 hits much at 100.

You should able to choose the 9 bands you want to eq, at least on the 773 you can.

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Nope, mine is 7 band, and you can choose PEQ, which is what YPAO sets and is not adjustable, or GEQ, which is manually adjustable 7 band eq.  I don't think GEQ affects response unless you select GEQ instead of YPAO but I will have to double check.

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We're working hard on the finishing touches on the speakers now. The whole SE announcement kept our focus elsewhere for months. Now, we're back down to 70(?) hour weeks....very relaxing..smile.gif

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sounds to me like you need more help tom!  you know....like someone in columbus where you would have an extra warehouse/sales office!  ok, ok....ill do it!  :D

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For information inclined, here is an interesting read published recently in sound & vision.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/subwoofers-guts-and-glory

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I swinged to the sealed subs after extensive deliberation, thank you to all especially Bear and Basshead for their insightful comments. I placed an order for 3 XS30se's.
There were multiple reasons for me deciding on the sealed much of which is based on perception and maybe not entirely true. Here are some thoughts which made my decision:
  • I listen to fair amount of music ( & video songs). The ability for smoother roll-off to lower frequency makes an impact of clean sound (in form of higher order harmonics) in 16 Hz range. This manifests as a clean music blend for the sealed subs, not just hitting those single digit frequencies for the sake of proclaiming on a graph. Ported subs hit harder around 18 Hz but roll of fast below that. Significant EQ is needed to get a decent FR at 15 Hz, requires some compromise. Generalizing this goes back to the well known suggestion, sealed good for music+HT and ported great for HT.
  • I wanted a clean sound at ~ 120 dB without onset of compression with some headroom, this made the decision to 3. Two may have been okay but I did not want to regret the decision of picking a 3 xv15se's if I hit a compression range. Having a third one also gives flexibility in having one in near field if possible.
  • I intend to keep these subs until they fall apart or until I get around to DIY. Based on my discussion with Tom, I expect these to last for about 10 yrs or so smile.gif
  • Even if I end up doing a DIY at some point in time, these will blend very well with a DIY system.
  • Another minor point is that the drivers in ported subs are driven harder (much harder at high volumes) and I am unsure whether this will have any impact on the long term driver performance. My guess is no given the QC that PSA performs but it is a small factor to consider.

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I swinged to the sealed subs after extensive deliberation, thank you to all especially Bear and Basshead for their insightful comments. I placed an order for 3 XS30se's.

DANG! You don't mess around. Congrats on the purchase.
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Thanks Climber. This time around, it was a significant deliberation. Just ask Tom, we have a long thread discussion about various possibilities and I am just amazed by his patience and helpful nature. My budget went up by more than 2 times from about a month ago. If it weren't for Tom I wouldn't have spent that much smile.gif
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DANG! You don't mess around. Congrats on the purchase.

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Nice flydeep. Your going to love the 30,s... Because of my room layout I went with a pair of 15,s to match up with my 30,s.... My small LR is gonna explode lol
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Congrats. I am itching to buy a 3rd xs30

I am getting a new couch set so I have the perfect spot for it to be the end table between the sofa and love seat. Haha. The wife just doesn't know it yet.

I just bought an amp at a very low price so hopefully can flip it to help pay for the third xs30
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I swinged to the sealed subs after extensive deliberation, thank you to all especially Bear and Basshead for their insightful comments. I placed an order for 3 XS30se's.
There were multiple reasons for me deciding on the sealed much of which is based on perception and maybe not entirely true. Here are some thoughts which made my decision:
  • I listen to fair amount of music ( & video songs). The ability for smoother roll-off to lower frequency makes an impact of clean sound (in form of higher order harmonics) in 16 Hz range. This manifests as a clean music blend for the sealed subs, not just hitting those single digit frequencies for the sake of proclaiming on a graph. Ported subs hit harder around 18 Hz but roll of fast below that. Significant EQ is needed to get a decent FR at 15 Hz, requires some compromise. Generalizing this goes back to the well known suggestion, sealed good for music+HT and ported great for HT.
  • I wanted a clean sound at ~ 120 dB without onset of compression with some headroom, this made the decision to 3. Two may have been okay but I did not want to regret the decision of picking a 3 xv15se's if I hit a compression range. Having a third one also gives flexibility in having one in near field if possible.
  • I intend to keep these subs until they fall apart or until I get around to DIY. Based on my discussion with Tom, I expect these to last for about 10 yrs or so smile.gif
  • Even if I end up doing a DIY at some point in time, these will blend very well with a DIY system.
  • Another minor point is that the drivers in ported subs are driven harder (much harder at high volumes) and I am unsure whether this will have any impact on the long term driver performance. My guess is no given the QC that PSA performs but it is a small factor to consider.


You are going to love them, especially after the initial break-in period.

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Thanks Mike. How long did it take for you to break them in? Did you put some music on overnight or while at work to get them going?
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No need for a process to break them in. Just watch movies etc. They will improve with time though smile.gif
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Thanks Mike. How long did it take for you to break them in? Did you put some music on overnight or while at work to get them going?

I let music play while I was working ( work from home ) and the kids watched a few animated movies, in about a week you should really notice them opening up and they will continue to improve after each session.
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Thanks Mike. How long did it take for you to break them in? Did you put some music on overnight or while at work to get them going?

I would break down break in(i know, i know) into two different categories here.

1)Most of the time the term "break in" is used in reference to a period of time to "take it easy" on the speaker/subwoofer. Once "break in" is over...let er rip!

While this practice won't hurt, with our products Its really not necessary. We go through a bit of driver testing and completed product testing here. So by the time you get the product the driver(s) have already seen quite a bit of excursion.

2)Sometimes the term "break in" is used to describe the way performance of a product will change over a length of time(often weeks or months). We haven't tried measuring these differences yet but it is on my "things to do" list..smile.gif

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This was with the Dayton kit that SVS sells. The sub was right next to my couch and main LP and it was set at 25ft by Audyssey. I think my denon receivers max setting is 30.


If the sub had a DSP front end in the amp that could cause some delay too(usually 3-7ft)

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If the sub had a DSP front end in the amp that could cause some delay too(usually 3-7ft)

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It did, the sub is an SVS SB13+.

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I swinged to the sealed subs after extensive deliberation, thank you to all especially Bear and Basshead for their insightful comments. I placed an order for 3 XS30se's.
There were multiple reasons for me deciding on the sealed much of which is based on perception and maybe not entirely true. Here are some thoughts which made my decision:
  • I listen to fair amount of music ( & video songs). The ability for smoother roll-off to lower frequency makes an impact of clean sound (in form of higher order harmonics) in 16 Hz range. This manifests as a clean music blend for the sealed subs, not just hitting those single digit frequencies for the sake of proclaiming on a graph. Ported subs hit harder around 18 Hz but roll of fast below that. Significant EQ is needed to get a decent FR at 15 Hz, requires some compromise. Generalizing this goes back to the well known suggestion, sealed good for music+HT and ported great for HT.
  • I wanted a clean sound at ~ 120 dB without onset of compression with some headroom, this made the decision to 3. Two may have been okay but I did not want to regret the decision of picking a 3 xv15se's if I hit a compression range. Having a third one also gives flexibility in having one in near field if possible.
  • I intend to keep these subs until they fall apart or until I get around to DIY. Based on my discussion with Tom, I expect these to last for about 10 yrs or so smile.gif
  • Even if I end up doing a DIY at some point in time, these will blend very well with a DIY system.
  • Another minor point is that the drivers in ported subs are driven harder (much harder at high volumes) and I am unsure whether this will have any impact on the long term driver performance. My guess is no given the QC that PSA performs but it is a small factor to consider.

Congrats on your new order, I have no doubt you will be thrilled with them. Let us know once you get them. 


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