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Would you mind turning off the XS30's and jamming a bit with the dual XS15's?  I am curious about your impressions of these.

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My 3 XS30se's came in today, they were shipped by freight compared to FedEx. They came in amazingly good condition compared to FedEx which dented one sub (had to send it back) and the replacement had dings on box. Anyway, about the new se's they are ... the right word .. amazing!

Here are some quick first impressions of the new xs30se versions:

The subs feel surprisingly heavy, much heavier than the first gen versions. Maybe the additional 20 lbs do make a non-linear difference above 100 lbs. The difference between the 1st gen and the newer se models are not just the sound levels, I felt there was significant improvement in the sound quality - it has gone up by few levels. The sound is clear and it just sounds 'tighter'. I spent little time setting them up since I intend to run them for a week or so before running detailed calibrations and measurements. One thing that surprised me was the phase alignment is quite difference between the first gen and the se versions. Also, I was seeing more nulls for the subs placed in the corner than the older version and there was a large drop near after 80 Hz as if the xover was set there (Audyssey is turned off), minor issues and need to understand them better before making more adjustments. With the first gen xs30's, I did not see such large drops.

Here are two pictures - the subs in boxes and after they have been setup.



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^ Sweet!!!! Congratulations Flydeep. It looks like you had a wonderful day!

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My new subs have landed.. Thanks for the quick ship Tom.. Time to rush home set them up and hope the wife doesn't notice lol

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My 3 XS30se's came in today, they were shipped by freight compared to FedEx. They came in amazingly good condition compared to FedEx which dented one sub (had to send it back) and the replacement had dings on box. Anyway, about the new se's they are ... the right word .. amazing!

Here are some quick first impressions of the new xs30se versions:

The subs feel surprisingly heavy, much heavier than the first gen versions. Maybe the additional 20 lbs do make a non-linear difference above 100 lbs. The difference between the 1st gen and the newer se models are not just the sound levels, I felt there was significant improvement in the sound quality - it has gone up by few levels. The sound is clear and it just sounds 'tighter'. I spent little time setting them up since I intend to run them for a week or so before running detailed calibrations and measurements. One thing that surprised me was the phase alignment is quite difference between the first gen and the se versions. Also, I was seeing more nulls for the subs placed in the corner than the older version and there was a large drop near after 80 Hz as if the xover was set there (Audyssey is turned off), minor issues and need to understand them better before making more adjustments. With the first gen xs30's, I did not see such large drops.

Here are two pictures - the subs in boxes and after they have been setup.





oh boy. should i update my 30's.... lol

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Is this the correct movie for the server scene?  http://www.amazon.com/Pulse-Unrated-Blu-ray-Ian-Somerhalder/dp/B003Q7B7E2/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1401491492&sr=1-1&keywords=pulse

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Thats would be the one I played in the short vid I posted. smile.gif

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Hey guys, if I get a XT32 SUB EQ receiver like the Denon 4520 will this help with optimizing four subs? Do I still need REW in addition to the 4520? I'm charging up my laptop which has been sitting collecting dust and want to download REW, is this where I start, and what do I do first and how many other things need downloaded, sorry for all these questions.
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My 3 XS30se's came in today, they were shipped by freight compared to FedEx. They came in amazingly good condition compared to FedEx which dented one sub (had to send it back) and the replacement had dings on box. Anyway, about the new se's they are ... the right word .. amazing!

Here are some quick first impressions of the new xs30se versions:

The subs feel surprisingly heavy, much heavier than the first gen versions. Maybe the additional 20 lbs do make a non-linear difference above 100 lbs. The difference between the 1st gen and the newer se models are not just the sound levels, I felt there was significant improvement in the sound quality - it has gone up by few levels. The sound is clear and it just sounds 'tighter'. I spent little time setting them up since I intend to run them for a week or so before running detailed calibrations and measurements. One thing that surprised me was the phase alignment is quite difference between the first gen and the se versions. Also, I was seeing more nulls for the subs placed in the corner than the older version and there was a large drop near after 80 Hz as if the xover was set there (Audyssey is turned off), minor issues and need to understand them better before making more adjustments. With the first gen xs30's, I did not see such large drops.

 

Congrats on the upgrades and the addition of the third sub.  Do you plan on putting one on the other side of the room.....near field?  Should help with smoothing a lot.

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Hey guys, if I get a XT32 SUB EQ receiver like the Denon 4520 will this help with optimizing four subs? Do I still need REW in addition to the 4520? I'm charging up my laptop which has been sitting collecting dust and want to download REW, is this where I start, and what do I do first and how many other things need downloaded, sorry for all these questions.
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You need REW regardless of the AVR or room correction software imo....XT32 Sub EQ is not a end all software for calibrating subs. Imo a much wiser investment would be a mini dsp or dirac live. I would not go with 4 subs if you are not willing to take the time to correctly set them up. Do not get me wrong I think XT32 is probably a worthy addition but I would not rely on it 100%. smile.gif
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Hey guys, if I get a XT32 SUB EQ receiver like the Denon 4520 will this help with optimizing four subs? Do I still need REW in addition to the 4520? 

 

I would say yes and yes, although the lower model X4000 gives the same Audysey and sub eq capability.  But the 4520 has more features and power.  I think the main benefit would be the dual sub outs.  Use REW to get the smoothest response prior to eq.  Try to eliminate nulls...peaks can be cut down with eq without detriment.  The automatic room correction should make getting a smooth response over many listening positions easier, and the miniDSP can be used to customize your eq, such as a house curve or what have you.

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My 3 XS30se's came in today, they were shipped by freight compared to FedEx. They came in amazingly good condition compared to FedEx which dented one sub (had to send it back) and the replacement had dings on box. Anyway, about the new se's they are ... the right word .. amazing!

Here are some quick first impressions of the new xs30se versions:

The subs feel surprisingly heavy, much heavier than the first gen versions. Maybe the additional 20 lbs do make a non-linear difference above 100 lbs. The difference between the 1st gen and the newer se models are not just the sound levels, I felt there was significant improvement in the sound quality - it has gone up by few levels. The sound is clear and it just sounds 'tighter'. I spent little time setting them up since I intend to run them for a week or so before running detailed calibrations and measurements. One thing that surprised me was the phase alignment is quite difference between the first gen and the se versions. Also, I was seeing more nulls for the subs placed in the corner than the older version and there was a large drop near after 80 Hz as if the xover was set there (Audyssey is turned off), minor issues and need to understand them better before making more adjustments. With the first gen xs30's, I did not see such large drops.

Here are two pictures - the subs in boxes and after they have been setup.




Just wait until you get about 7 days on them, they are a BEAST!!!!!!!!
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Hey guys, if I get a XT32 SUB EQ receiver like the Denon 4520 will this help with optimizing four subs? Do I still need REW in addition to the 4520? I'm charging up my laptop which has been sitting collecting dust and want to download REW, is this where I start, and what do I do first and how many other things need downloaded, sorry for all these questions.
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OK OK, the reason for the 4520 is the amp section, I have several outboard amps I could sell and invest in a good receiver to drive my new (hopefully soon) PSA loudspeakers;) and make some room on my racks. Is that the download page listed above to get the REW, where do I start with the downloading as I have noticed several things listed to download, I'm just so intimidated but I know what I have to do, I just need to do it, thanks again Bear for all the peripherals to that I need to make this work (REW). Please get me started with the downloading. TIA
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My 3 XS30se's came in today, they were shipped by freight compared to FedEx. They came in amazingly good condition compared to FedEx which dented one sub (had to send it back) and the replacement had dings on box. Anyway, about the new se's they are ... the right word .. amazing!

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Here are two pictures - the subs in boxes and after they have been setup.




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Ok guys sorry about that still a noob with this software but thanks for the tips, I think I fixed it all good as far as axis goes. I could not turn off my mains in mcacc, even though i could turn every other speaker off. I did not want to unhook them because they were all setup to one and done leave it alone once everything is in place and it would just be an absolute bear to unhook and hook back up. So I turned the mains down as far as they would go which was pretty low. For the main measurement, i set the volume as they were normally and turned the sub off like you said.

I also figured out that my main towers(Infinity Beta 50's) when set to large are flat down to 30hz which I thought was pretty impressive just for curiosity sake.


I just realized that it's in 10db increments but in REW it shows 5db increments.

Here it is in 5db:

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Yup as expected by others. You have a huge null at 80hz area. You will need another sub or move them or the listening position. Remember that this could be as little as a foot or so.
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I defiantly gotta get REW but everytime i google it or search AVS i get multible MICS(usb and hdmi). my laptop has HDMI although it's a bit on the older side what exactly do i need. and do i need that mini DSP. my LR is now very close to where my dedicated HT was as far as bass but id like to no where i stand.

ps... my wife noticed the one sub this AM looked at me an said."" is there another hidden somewhere "" i laughed and she said. "" is that why my chaire is pushed out so far "" ...... all's good.!
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Umik-1 mic from miniDSP calibrated to 10 Hz

 

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How do I measure just the L/R speakers? you're talking no CC or surrounds?



You really need to do 1 sub at a time (out to 100hz at least). Then both subs combined(out to 100hz). Keep the input level the same so we can see the acoustical summation of the duals.


After that, you can do the mains + subs, or the center +subs.

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Ok guys sorry about that still a noob with this software but thanks for the tips, I think I fixed it all good as far as axis goes. I could not turn off my mains in mcacc, even though i could turn every other speaker off. I did not want to unhook them because they were all setup to one and done leave it alone once everything is in place and it would just be an absolute bear to unhook and hook back up. So I turned the mains down as far as they would go which was pretty low. For the main measurement, i set the volume as they were normally and turned the sub off like you said.

I also figured out that my main towers(Infinity Beta 50's) when set to large are flat down to 30hz which I thought was pretty impressive just for curiosity sake.


I just realized that it's in 10db increments but in REW it shows 5db increments.

Here it is in 5db:

This is a perfect example of why REW is such an important tool. Had you used this when you had the LV12, you migbt not of changed subs. The best sub in the world will sound lacking with a null like that. When you get rid of that null, that xs30 is really going to shine. smile.gif

For kicks you might try a sub crawl, place the sub where it sounds best, measure with REW, and hopefully you can leave the sub in that location. Another option is to move the listening position. Your response below 60hz looks awesome, so get that null fixed and you will be dialed.

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You really need to do 1 sub at a time (out to 100hz at least). Then both subs combined(out to 100hz). Keep the input level the same so we can see the acoustical summation of the duals.


After that, you can do the mains + subs, or the center +subs.

Which receiver are you using?

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I'm only using the XS30se. I have the Pioneer 1222k.

Unfortunately I have no room to move my sub OR MLP frown.gif The only thing I could do is maybe move the sub off the the front wall, where one of the drivers is 2" away from, another inch. Does this sound promising in helping that huge null?

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Check the polarity on your mains. (actually just rotate the phase control on the sub completely and try the sub again against the LEFT and then the RIGHT speaker)


If that checks out, try measuring the left by itself and then the right.

Also, try one of your "pro logic" modes too. That may combine the L/R tones and redirect them to the center. This will allow you an easy way to do a center channel + sub graph.

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MiniDSP from miniDSP so you can manually eq if desired after measuring

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Determine where you will locate the miniDSP, where you would like to be with your laptop while measuring, and buy the following cables of appropriate length:

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bear123 ordered Umik-1 from Cross Specturm .... that should get me started.

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Old 05-31-2014, 02:52 PM
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That's cool. Since u are sealed that will show you response to below 10
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Guys, I had a thought about getting the other two XV15SEs and wanted to get your input on this thought, how about getting a single XV30FSE to put behind the MLP about 8-10' away. The back of my room (the wall) has right in the center of it a corner type wall and then an opening into another small area, I was thinking I could put a XV30F right there and being there is a small dividing wall as I mentioned and the 30 being front firing I should get plenty of output from the rear behind the MLP, what do you think or just get the other two XV15SEs. I'm open to all suggestions, I need to decide soon. TIA
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Ahblaza iam in the same boat as u. Let me know wat u decide
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I wonder if there is any draw backs to have the front firing xv30fse located directly behind u and up against the sofa. Any thoughts?
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