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So it would appear that the XS15se has now been tested by Josh Ricci. I am looking forward to reading this review and seeing how this sub with the new driver performs. Assuming PSA's published data is corroborated, I think this will shake things up a bit in the ID market.
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So it would appear that the XS15se has now been tested by Josh Ricci. I am looking forward to reading this review and seeing how this sub with the new driver performs. Assuming PSA's published data is corroborated, I think this will shake things up a bit in the ID market.
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Mercury - There should have been a pdf guide from where you downloaded the REW software on HTShack. One of the primary reasons why the mic does not show up is because it is being used by another computer resource. That pdf guide does a very good walkthrough and setup checklist. Please follow all the steps in that guide, it should help you.

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welll I was able to find my MIC but now im having a problem with my LAPTOP. it does no appear to output 5.1..... any work around. will REW still work?

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Gaaaawwwwd, this new site update is horrible...can't go to latest post easily, can't preview the beginning of new posts.....all the convenience I was used to is gone.. I hope they can fix this because it is much less user friendly imo.
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Gaaaawwwwd, this new site update is horrible...can't go to latest post easily, can't preview the beginning of new posts.....all the convenience I was used to is gone.. I hope they can fix this because it is much less user friendly imo.

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I have been meaning to email you about the new triple xs30se's. It has been almost two weeks since I set them up and they are now definitely sounding much better than day 1. A simple naive way to explain this would be, a drum was sounding smooth on day 1 and now it is hitting like a hammer- sharp and no reverberations. The older XS30's did not exhibit this behavior even after about 4 weeks and it had a smoother signal decay. My wife is complaining now more than before about the boom boom

The se drivers seem to be of different caliber compared to the previous gen. Also, now I have to dial down by about 3-4 dB on the AVR SW level to achieve similar perceptible bass as day 1. Bottomline, I am thinking if you do the curves after the subs have opened up, you may get more output and probably a different frequency response characteristic. I haven't had the time to setup and do REW again but will update once I get some similar comparisons.

About the tactile feel you may recall that I was all worried since the last time. Now even at my non-nearfield placement of subs they are hitting hard and sharp that I may actually prefer this setup. Music sounds great and with movies, my heart rate usually goes up after a 15 min demo I get every morning before heading to work, an excellent caffeine substitute effect.

One cool thing I noticed was, when I turn off my amps so that the mains are quiet and subs are running, my shelfs from far end of the large living room rattle even at -30 db AVR MV (subs running 7 dB hot).

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Congrats on triple XS30's!!! I don't think many have that setup yet.....Brian Fineberg time to step up to the plate and run with the big dogs!!

Glad these are meeting/exceeding your expectations. The output on music must be incredible....my single XS30 was.
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Question? Would it be ill advised to place emotiva 5 channels amp ontop of xv15se?

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what would be better 2 xs 15se or 1 xs 30se or 2 xv 15se....


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Need more info...room size, listening habits, budget....etc.
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2200 sq ft


with opening s to hallways and kitchen.. L shaped room .. with lots of bass traps and absorber panels..


music 80% music 20 % movies and 10 - 15 % of music loud... to really loud.. really clean sounding system emotive xpa 1 mono blocks xsp 1 analog pre amp.. xda 2 dac..


xlr fully balanced fully differential from source to speakers..


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what would be better 2 xs 15se or 1 xs 30se or 2 xv 15se....


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Two of either will be better than one XS30 in every way.
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Sealed seems the best option for your room size and listening preference. A pair of xs15 would be great. How much is your budget?

Depending on that, either a dual xs30se or dual xs15se. Depending on how loud you push it, a dual xs15se may be able to fill adequately a 2200sqft room.

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with opening s to hallways and kitchen.. L shaped room .. with lots of bass traps and absorber panels..


music 80% music 20 % movies and 10 - 15 % of music loud... to really loud.. really clean sounding system emotive xpa 1 mono blocks xsp 1 analog pre amp.. xda 2 dac..


xlr fully balanced fully differential from source to speakers..


with my own cables..

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I am thinking a pair of XS15se will get'er done.
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Mercury - It also depends on the laptop sound card capability. When you go through the steps listed in the pdf for setting up the speakers, there is a step where you play a test sound for each of the speaker. Does your laptop play for each speaker independently in that test?

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The sound card should not matter with the hdmi connection.
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Mercury - There should have been a pdf guide from where you downloaded the REW software on HTShack. One of the primary reasons why the mic does not show up is because it is being used by another computer resource. That pdf guide does a very good walkthrough and setup checklist. Please follow all the steps in that guide, it should help you.

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welll I was able to find my MIC but now im having a problem with my LAPTOP. it does no appear to output 5.1..... any work around. will REW still work?

hdmi goes directly in to my danon 4520CI....
Sounds like you need to check your sound settings in the control panel....some of the REW guides have pretty good directions to walk you through checking your settings.
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I am thinking a pair of XS15se will get'er done.

would there be much tactile feel with dual xs 15se with blue rays movies?


could these subs be placed directly behind the main speakers with out ill effects? im a bit tight on space across my front only 10ft... so the smaller foot prints helps..


and one day in the future if I went to quads would I benefit much?


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The closer you place the subs the greater the tactile feel. The XV15se is going to have a 7db advantage in the 16-25hz, but the sub is bigger and cost more. The advantage the XS15se will have is deeper extension and more compact size, but 2 XS15se would not match the XV15se around its tune. I think the XV15 will do a better job for blu rays, but with your room and size listening habits sealed will work. Quad XS15's should net some solid output down to 10hz. I think Bear and myself are on the same page, we do not feel sub 15hz is that important. Some want to experience everything that is on the disk, but for my room I do not feel its worth chasing frequencies that you might only experience for less then a minute on a disk and that is if the disk has content that goes that low. It all comes down to preferences, goals, room size, waf, and budget.
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Another thing what Tom mentioned was that the sealed subs sound slightly better for music. That's where the listening preference could matter.

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Another thing what Tom mentioned was that the sealed subs sound slightly better for music. That's where the listening preference could matter.

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The closer you place the subs the greater the tactile feel. The XV15se is going to have a 7db advantage in the 16-25hz, but the sub is bigger and cost more. The advantage the XS15se will have is deeper extension and more compact size, but 2 XS15se would not match the XV15se around its tune. I think the XV15 will do a better job for blu rays, but with your room and size listening habits sealed will work. Quad XS15's should net some solid output down to 10hz. I think Bear and myself are on the same page, we do not feel sub 15hz is that important. Some want to experience everything that is on the disk, but for my room I do not feel its worth chasing frequencies that you might only experience for less then a minute on a disk and that is if the disk has content that goes that low. It all comes down to preferences, goals, room size, waf, and budget.

most important thing to me is blending with the music from my studio 100s naturally.. be crossing over 50-60hz area .. subs will be set up with left and right stereo output for 2 channel


for movies they will me mono channel.. and about 8 ft apart.. 7db loss over the vented sub sounds massive .. will the xs 15 still have enough output and round 16 20 hz
to be usefull for movies?


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most important thing to me is blending with the music from my studio 100s naturally.. be crossing over 50-60hz area .. subs will be set up with left and right stereo output for 2 channel

for movies they will me mono channel.. and about 8 ft apart.. 7db loss over the vented sub sounds massive .. will the xs 15 still have enough output and round 16 20 hz
to be usefull for movies?


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From what I understand, Josh Ricci has tested the XS15, we are just waiting for the review to be posted. As far as if they will have enough output on movies, only you can determine that. One would probably give way more than most people could ever want. For others, four would fall short.
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A sub close to you may not give the best tactile response in all cases. I moved my subs further apart and actually got a sightly better tactile response. Two of my subs are 20 ft from the MLP. It seem counter intuitive but, it's true. I did not loose any spl.
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most important thing to me is blending with the music from my studio 100s naturally.. be crossing over 50-60hz area .. subs will be set up with left and right stereo output for 2 channel

for movies they will me mono channel.. and about 8 ft apart.. 7db loss over the vented sub sounds massive .. will the xs 15 still have enough output and round 16 20 hz
to be usefull for movies?


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From what I understand, Josh Ricci has tested the XS15, we are just waiting for the review to be posted. As far as if they will have enough output on movies, only you can determine that. One would probably give way more than most people could ever want. For others, four would fall short.


yeah will be nice to read the review could post a link please and thank you!


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most important thing to me is blending with the music from my studio 100s naturally.. be crossing over 50-60hz area .. subs will be set up with left and right stereo output for 2 channel

for movies they will me mono channel.. and about 8 ft apart.. 7db loss over the vented sub sounds massive .. will the xs 15 still have enough output and round 16 20 hz
to be usefull for movies?


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From what I understand, Josh Ricci has tested the XS15, we are just waiting for the review to be posted. As far as if they will have enough output on movies, only you can determine that. One would probably give way more than most people could ever want. For others, four would fall short.
He is still in the process of completing all the data collection. Then he has to review, edit, format, etc. Then we get it for peer review, comments, etc. In other words, it may be a few days, or a few weeks. We must remember that Josh does this in his "spare time" and that much of it can only be accomplished "weather permitting".. He needs to increase his rates too. I know how much time and work goes into these tests.

I know I'm bias a bit here but our charting on the website should match up with his stuff very well...+/- half a dB for example....FR as well. I know every wants to see the "guts" though...Group delay, Impulse, Compression, etc. I don't blame you guys..

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The closer you place the subs the greater the tactile feel. The XV15se is going to have a 7db advantage in the 16-25hz, but the sub is bigger and cost more. The advantage the XS15se will have is deeper extension and more compact size, but 2 XS15se would not match the XV15se around its tune. I think the XV15 will do a better job for blu rays, but with your room and size listening habits sealed will work. Quad XS15's should net some solid output down to 10hz. I think Bear and myself are on the same page, we do not feel sub 15hz is that important. Some want to experience everything that is on the disk, but for my room I do not feel its worth chasing frequencies that you might only experience for less then a minute on a disk and that is if the disk has content that goes that low. It all comes down to preferences, goals, room size, waf, and budget.

most important thing to me is blending with the music from my studio 100s naturally.. be crossing over 50-60hz area .. subs will be set up with left and right stereo output for 2 channel


for movies they will me mono channel.. and about 8 ft apart.. 7db loss over the vented sub sounds massive .. will the xs 15 still have enough output and round 16 20 hz
to be usefull for movies?


thanks

I know it may seem counter intuitive with quality speakers like the 100s that extend quite low but I would not predetermine the best crossover frequency until you experiment a bit. The XS15se are very "potent" in the upper bass and you may find a crossover of 80hz or even 100hz sounds best----particularly at very high volume levels. Much depends on how each speaker(100s and XS15se) interact with the room at their chosen placement though. The group delay, stored ringing and impulse are all exceptional on the XS15se as well.

In terms of clean output potential with action oriented films...you should be fine. I'd (conservatively) look for 109-112dB of clean output in the 15-20hz range....with headroom increasing as the frequencies rise. By 30hz(ish) you should be well over 120dB the rest of the way up.

With the system calibrated and the bass say 2-3dB hot you'll have full reference level capabilities down to 25-30hz. In the 15-25hz range...you'll be fine for master volume levels of say -10. (ten decibels under reference level). Also remember, if you go ABOVE this master volume level the XS15se won't start "clacking or making all sorts of odd noises". They will just stop getting louder and cap some of the most demanding transients.

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A sub close to you may not give the best tactile response in all cases. I moved my subs further apart and actually got a sightly better tactile response. Two of my subs are 20 ft from the MLP. It seem counter intuitive but, it's true. I did not loose any spl.

Thanks for the heads up, I have two about 13-14' and the other two will be about 8-10' behind the MLP, waiting on the fourth. Will post my thoughts.
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