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Well, I doubt very many people run their PB13U sealed.

A nice comparison is against the JL E112, which is another sealed unit...the PSA XS-15SE does quite well

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well I don't know much about what the charts mean..


but under the heading static graphs what does the last chart mean... ?


seems to show a lot of thd


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well I don't know much about what the charts mean..


but under the heading static graphs what does the last chart mean... ?


seems to show a lot of thd


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That chart shows the output limits of the XS15se using the industry standard CE-2010 burst method. A few important things to remember here,

1)This output test has distortion limits in place. While the allowable distortion may seem high to the casual observer these limits have been established over years of work by the most respected names in the industry today. For example, Don Keele played a large role. All of the peer reviewed evidence indicates that these distortion levels will be inaudible with source material (music and film).

2)If you lower the output level of the subwoofer just slightly....even one decibel....you would see the distortion drop substantially. By 50% for example. This test puts the subwoofer right at its max output limits. In day to day usage, this should very rarely be the case. If your subwoofer(any brand) is constantly at/near its output limits....you need more woofage.

Also, remember for your application (dual XS15se) you should add about 5-6dB to the output levels. So with duals, compare that to say the $10,000 paradigm sub 2. Just about even in terms of clean output capabilities..


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Well, I doubt very many people run their PB13U sealed.

A nice comparison is against the JL E112, which is another sealed unit...the PSA XS-15SE does quite well
No but it offers a general idea of the SB13 performance.
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XV30se data is up!!! What a Best...Ricci says it in company with the most powerful commercial subs tested to date.
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XV30se data is up!!! What a Best...Ricci says it in company with the most powerful commercial subs tested to date.
Take about 3dB off across the board and that's what he'll measure the XV15se at...+/- 0.5dB for the most part.

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XV30se data is up!!! What a Best...Ricci says it in company with the most powerful commercial subs tested to date.
Take about 3dB off across the board and that's what he'll measure the XV15se at...+/- 0.5dB for the most part.

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Just curious why your website only shows .6db difference in the 20-31hz between the XV15 and XV30?
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XV30se data is up!!! What a Best...Ricci says it in company with the most powerful commercial subs tested to date.
Take about 3dB off across the board and that's what he'll measure the XV15se at...+/- 0.5dB for the most part.

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Just curious why your website only shows .6db difference in the 20-31hz between the XV15 and XV30?
I'll have to double check that. We've made so many updates lately that I probably made a typo.

Yeah, my bad. We're averaging everything for the warm days only now. Somehow the Xv15 still had everything averaged from the coldest days.

I checked everything else, all looks good but I will triple check tomorrow.

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It's nice to see some fairly low measured distortion numbers with the new drivers too!
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It's nice to see some fairly low measured distortion numbers with the new drivers too!
Overall the data is pretty good (and in some regard very good) for the price point and country of origin IMO. Nothing "ground breaking". But when someone in the audio industry can say...."hey, our products are Made in USA from almost exclusively USA vendors AND our performance / build quality is comparable(or in some cases better) to the very best chinese made products(svs for example). To me, that is something very special.

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I agree Tom, and you guys should be commended for making a real effort to keep things made in the USA and help improve the economy by doing so. It nice to see a company make a very conscious effort to do that even if it could potentially hurt their bottom line a little compared directly to the competition that's having similar products made in China.
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Just chatted with Tom V. and ordered a XS15se. Was debating between it, a SVS PB-2000, dual SVS PB-1000's, an Outlaw LFM-1 EX (or Plus) and Rythmik LV12R. Hope I made the right choice ... the free shipping both ways to audition the sub, the fact that XS15se is a 15" sub (vs. 12" or 10"), and Tom's advice, sold me.

My basement is 18ft wide x 28ft long x 8.5ft high. Screen is on the width side. Also, a 15ft opening to right of the right-front speaker (to upstairs). My current 7.1 speaker setup is: Pioneer SP-FS52 towers (fronts), SP-BS22-LR (surrounds) and SW-8 (subwoofer). I'm hoping the XS15se will be a massive improvement over the SW-8 .

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I'll have to double check that. We've made so many updates lately that I probably made a typo.

Yeah, my bad. We're averaging everything for the warm days only now. Somehow the Xv15 still had everything averaged from the coldest days.

I checked everything else, all looks good but I will triple check tomorrow.

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It's been that way since the SE driver was released. Now if you subtract another 3db from the 20-31hz bandwidth on the XV15se the numbers are almost identical to the old driver.

the numbers have been edited 3 times now. 120.9, down to 120.5, now down to 120.2?

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Just chatted with Tom V. and ordered a XS15se. Was debating between it, a SVS PB-2000, dual SVS PB-1000's, an Outlaw LFM-1 EX (or Plus) and Rythmik LV12R. Hope I made the right choice ... the free shipping both ways to audition the sub, the fact that XS15se is a 15" sub (vs. 12" or 10"), and Tom's advice, sold me.

My basement is 18ft wide x 28ft long x 8.5ft high. Screen is on the width side. Also, a 15ft opening to right of the right-front speaker (to upstairs). My current 7.1 speaker setup is: Pioneer SP-FS52 towers (fronts), SP-BS22-LR (surrounds) and SW-8 (subwoofer). I'm hoping the XS15se will be a massive improvement over the SW-8 .
Just sent you an email Brajsesh. I was recommending the XV15se in the chat. I just emailed you too. Don't get me wrong, the XS15se will be a *huge* upgrade over what you have now. But if you have the XS15se and the XV15se in the room to compare, I believe you would lean toward the XV15se. This is particularly true if you occasionally used very loud volume levels with action oriented DVDs.

If you want to change the order just call me at (330)349-0943 and I'll handle it for you, no problem.


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Just chatted with Tom V. and ordered a XS15se. Was debating between it, a SVS PB-2000, dual SVS PB-1000's, an Outlaw LFM-1 EX (or Plus) and Rythmik LV12R. Hope I made the right choice ... the free shipping both ways to audition the sub, the fact that XS15se is a 15" sub (vs. 12" or 10"), and Tom's advice, sold me.

My basement is 18ft wide x 28ft long x 8.5ft high. Screen is on the width side. Also, a 15ft opening to right of the right-front speaker (to upstairs). My current 7.1 speaker setup is: Pioneer SP-FS52 towers (fronts), SP-BS22-LR (surrounds) and SW-8 (subwoofer). I'm hoping the XS15se will be a massive improvement over the SW-8 .

Wow that's a pretty good size room at over 4000cubic/ft, but of course it should be a pretty good improvement on what you had.
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Just chatted with Tom V. and ordered a XS15se. Was debating between it, a SVS PB-2000, dual SVS PB-1000's, an Outlaw LFM-1 EX (or Plus) and Rythmik LV12R. Hope I made the right choice ... the free shipping both ways to audition the sub, the fact that XS15se is a 15" sub (vs. 12" or 10"), and Tom's advice, sold me.

My basement is 18ft wide x 28ft long x 8.5ft high. Screen is on the width side. Also, a 15ft opening to right of the right-front speaker (to upstairs). My current 7.1 speaker setup is: Pioneer SP-FS52 towers (fronts), SP-BS22-LR (surrounds) and SW-8 (subwoofer). I'm hoping the XS15se will be a massive improvement over the SW-8 .
I would of ordered the XV15se at minimum or even a XV30se, but congrats on the new purchase.
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Just wanted to give a real quick update on my xv15se upgrade. I had dual xv15's bought a few weeks apart, but with the upgrade deal one of them qualified for the cheaper $100 deal. Because of this, as well as some of the early reports stating that they felt the low end was weaker I decided to do only one first and be able to compare the new and the old side by side. Keep in mind, this is the most unofficial, unscientific review you are likely to find, but i believe what i hear and feel rather than what some graph says. Anyway, got the first upgrade in friday after work. a few screws later and out with the old and in with the new! btw, i don't recommend a hand held screw driver for this....i couldn't grab my drill fast enough, lol. anyway, i was excited to hear what i bought, so i first tested the old xv15 by throwing in war of the worlds with the lightning scene, pod emerge, then the death rays that followed. i feel this group of scenes has about everything to test a sub. keep in mind, i had been running duals of the old which were fantastic for my situation, so listening to the single again in the original nearfield corner was good, but i remembered what those scenes sounded and felt like before. good output, but underwhelming compared to duals (obviously). I listened to those scenes at -15, which is pretty strong with most material. i could listen louder, but i feel i may start shaking stuff off my neighbor's shelves. anyway, with the OG xv, it was pretty much what i expected and still good by all comparisons. so, i pause the movie and swap out subs. i adjusted the settings on the amp to the exact levels on the old sub and placed it in the exact same spot(dents in carpet, lol). still set at -15, I rewound the blu to the beginning of the lightning scene. to say i was blown away is an understatement! I literally had to go over and double check to make sure i didn't accidentally plug in the second sub and was running duals. nope, this thing is just that strong. i couldn't believe what i was hearing and feeling. so powerful, tight, and most of all the thing rumbles the room. whoever said the bottom end fell off with the SE needs to quit trying to graph response charts and just plug one in! the low end tactile is what i was afraid i would be missing, and let me fill you in to the real deal...the SE is absolutely, without a doubt stronger and more powerful in every aspect. to say that tom is underplaying the difference in this driver and amp combo is an understatement of its own. movies or music, it's just better. somebody said it was night and day, and i absolutely concur on that matter. the SE is well worth the cost of the upgrade, and even at the higher price i will definitely do the same with the second. i told tom that had my first xv15 sounded and felt like this SE, i probably wouldn't have ordered a second....well, at least not as soon as i did. PSA have a work of art on their hands with the SE driver, and those that want to point to graphs and talk about how it's not worth the upgrade dollars are just fooling themselves and really missing out. if you are on the fence, do yourself a favor and at least upgrade one, and see for yourself what i experienced. AWESOME job Tom and crew!!
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^I would love to read thst exerpt, but could you break it down into paragraphs please?
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I would of ordered the XV15se at minimum or even a XV30se, but congrats on the new purchase.
Just spoke with Tom and corrected my order to a XV15se. I was one letter off, but sounds like it'll make a significant difference.
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XV30se data is up!!! What a Best...Ricci says it in company with the most powerful commercial subs tested to date.

do you have a link I cant find it...


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^I would love to read thst exerpt, but could you break it down into paragraphs please?
oh, come on man! whyyougottabelikethat?? lol

here's the cliff notes ---------> xv15se > xv15
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Well now, like I said before, the XV30FSE is the only sub that has not been in my home. Now I hear it is among the most powerful commercial subs tested. I have 3 XV15SEs here now with only two of them fired up in my system, I just unboxed the 3rd a few days ago and left the amp powered up for a few days and all is well with it. Just talked with Jim and he is going to burn in my 4th sub for another day or so and I should have it in about three days. So that will be four XV15SEs and I'm having ill feelings as my original intention was to go with two or three XV30FSEs. Am I just acting like a fool for feeling like I should have went with my original plan of the XV30FSEs, someone help me out here and tell me how foolish I really am. I will have all four XV15SEs spread out evenly in my 3000cf LR. If set up properly will I be extremely content? Thanks, hey Cable Guy, here is the BJC link.
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Just wanted to give a real quick update on my xv15se upgrade. I had dual xv15's bought a few weeks apart, but with the upgrade deal one of them qualified for the cheaper $100 deal. Because of this, as well as some of the early reports stating that they felt the low end was weaker I decided to do only one first and be able to compare the new and the old side by side. Keep in mind, this is the most unofficial, unscientific review you are likely to find, but i believe what i hear and feel rather than what some graph says. Anyway, got the first upgrade in friday after work. a few screws later and out with the old and in with the new! btw, i don't recommend a hand held screw driver for this....i couldn't grab my drill fast enough, lol. anyway, i was excited to hear what i bought, so i first tested the old xv15 by throwing in war of the worlds with the lightning scene, pod emerge, then the death rays that followed. i feel this group of scenes has about everything to test a sub. keep in mind, i had been running duals of the old which were fantastic for my situation, so listening to the single again in the original nearfield corner was good, but i remembered what those scenes sounded and felt like before. good output, but underwhelming compared to duals (obviously). I listened to those scenes at -15, which is pretty strong with most material. i could listen louder, but i feel i may start shaking stuff off my neighbor's shelves. anyway, with the OG xv, it was pretty much what i expected and still good by all comparisons. so, i pause the movie and swap out subs. i adjusted the settings on the amp to the exact levels on the old sub and placed it in the exact same spot(dents in carpet, lol). still set at -15, I rewound the blu to the beginning of the lightning scene. to say i was blown away is an understatement! I literally had to go over and double check to make sure i didn't accidentally plug in the second sub and was running duals. nope, this thing is just that strong. i couldn't believe what i was hearing and feeling. so powerful, tight, and most of all the thing rumbles the room. whoever said the bottom end fell off with the SE needs to quit trying to graph response charts and just plug one in! the low end tactile is what i was afraid i would be missing, and let me fill you in to the real deal...the SE is absolutely, without a doubt stronger and more powerful in every aspect. to say that tom is underplaying the difference in this driver and amp combo is an understatement of its own. movies or music, it's just better. somebody said it was night and day, and i absolutely concur on that matter. the SE is well worth the cost of the upgrade, and even at the higher price i will definitely do the same with the second. i told tom that had my first xv15 sounded and felt like this SE, i probably wouldn't have ordered a second....well, at least not as soon as i did. PSA have a work of art on their hands with the SE driver, and those that want to point to graphs and talk about how it's not worth the upgrade dollars are just fooling themselves and really missing out. if you are on the fence, do yourself a favor and at least upgrade one, and see for yourself what i experienced. AWESOME job Tom and crew!!
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Well now, like I said before, the XV30FSE is the only sub that has not been in my home. Now I hear it is among the most powerful commercial subs tested. I have 3 XV15SEs here now with only two of them fired up in my system, I just unboxed the 3rd a few days ago and left the amp powered up for a few days and all is well with it. Just talked with Jim and he is going to burn in my 4th sub for another day or so and I should have it in about three days. So that will be four XV15SEs and I'm having ill feelings as my original intention was to go with two or three XV30FSEs. Am I just acting like a fool for feeling like I should have went with my original plan of the XV30FSEs, someone help me out here and tell me how foolish I really am. I will have all four XV15SEs spread out evenly in my 3000cf LR. If set up properly will I be extremely content? Thanks, hey Cable Guy, here is the BJC link.
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Why have Ill feelings? enjoy your subs jeffery...there is always that " what if" when you log on this forum.
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Why have Ill feelings? enjoy your subs jeffery...there is always that " what if" when you log on this forum.
Couldn't agree more with that statement, this place will drive a guy crazy. Even I have the "what if" and I have an insane amount of output & headroom with my new setup!.....lol

I have this voice in the back of my head saying "what if I put two more subs in the back of my room to really smoth things out to a perfectly flat response".... Lol

Which is really crazy
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Well now, like I said before, the XV30FSE is the only sub that has not been in my home. Now I hear it is among the most powerful commercial subs tested. I have 3 XV15SEs here now with only two of them fired up in my system, I just unboxed the 3rd a few days ago and left the amp powered up for a few days and all is well with it. Just talked with Jim and he is going to burn in my 4th sub for another day or so and I should have it in about three days. So that will be four XV15SEs and I'm having ill feelings as my original intention was to go with two or three XV30FSEs. Am I just acting like a fool for feeling like I should have went with my original plan of the XV30FSEs, someone help me out here and tell me how foolish I really am. I will have all four XV15SEs spread out evenly in my 3000cf LR. If set up properly will I be extremely content? Thanks, hey Cable Guy, here is the BJC link.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/subwoofer/index.htm
Cheers Jeffrey
What made you deviate from your original plan? Once you get 4 XV15se set up and if your not happy you can always send 2 back for 2 XV30se, set the 2 30's up front and leave the 2 15's in the back, I really doubt you need 4 30's.

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