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Talked to Tom last night about getting an XV15se and finally sealed the deal with him late this morning. Coming from a PL-200 I'm pretty excited to see what kind of performance one of these subs will give me. If it turns out as well as I hope, I may end up buying another one next year!
I went from a PL-200 to a XS-30. Loved it so much that I got another XS-30. The sheer power will astound you! Tight, clean and crisp bass that waits until it is called upon. You'll love it.
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I take it you did not see the angel emoticon at the end of my post.
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The first is a photo from behind the MLP, the others were taken from the front of the MLP and those are my rear placement options. I was thinking of stacking two of them against the back wall where that Rack is sitting, that would place them about the same distance of my front two to the MLP, or I could put them to the far R&L where the dehumidifier is on the right and the night stand on the left with the ports firing towards the rear wall about 7' from it and about7-8 feet to the MLP. Other option, move the big chair on the left and place them on either side of that putting them about 4-5' from rear wall. What do you guys think, I'm really leaning towards stacking them against back wall, this way they will be almost the same distance with the front two to the MLP. I would really appreciate all input, thanks Guys.
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Why don't you do what I do? Try every single possible combination of placement options, interspersed with a plethora of REW measurements/listening sessions until you find the PERFECT combination!

Then....a few months later decide that you could maybe eek out just a bit more performance, and do it all AGAIN!



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Talked to Tom last night about getting an XV15se and finally sealed the deal with him late this morning. Coming from a PL-200 I'm pretty excited to see what kind of performance one of these subs will give me. If it turns out as well as I hope, I may end up buying another one next year!
The XV15se will be a bit of an upgrade.

From 16-100hz, about 4x the headroom.

From 16-25hz, about 9x the headroom.

Most importantly I believe you'll find the overall sound quality to be improved along the same scale.

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The XV15se will be a bit of an upgrade.

From 16-100hz, about 4x the headroom.

From 16-25hz, about 9x the headroom.

Most importantly I believe you'll find the overall sound quality to be improved along the same scale.

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Now for the hardest part... the waiting game...

Thank you for all your help Tom!
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The XV15 is built just as well as the XS30. The difference is the XS30 is dual opposed which cancels out cabinet vibrations.
Both are 1" thick high quality MDF with internal bracing that connects at/near the mid panel point on the large baffles. Take a look inside our products and you may notice a *slight* difference in the overall build quality versus the massed-produced-in-china competition.

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Now for the hardest part... the waiting game...

Thank you for all your help Tom!
That reminds me. I believe I have contacted (email, phone, chat) everyone who has ordered recently but we are in a slight back order situation again. We air shipped in amps a couple weeks ago but not quite enough. Orders have been higher than anticipated---not that we're complaining! Anyway, we have a large quantity of amplifiers arriving in the next 2-3 business days(last I checked they were in Chicago yesterday on the way to Cleveland, then to us).

So a new order in the next 1-2 days probably won't ship until Monday or Tuesday next week. Just a heads up.

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That reminds me. I believe I have contacted (email, phone, chat) everyone who has ordered recently but we are in a slight back order situation again. We air shipped in amps a couple weeks ago but not quite enough. Orders have been higher than anticipated---not that we're complaining! Anyway, we have a large quantity of amplifiers arriving in the next 2-3 business days(last I checked they were in Chicago yesterday on the way to Cleveland, then to us).

So a new order in the next 1-2 days probably won't ship until Monday or Tuesday next week. Just a heads up.

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Not a problem, thanks for your honesty
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That reminds me. I believe I have contacted (email, phone, chat) everyone who has ordered recently but we are in a slight back order situation again. We air shipped in amps a couple weeks ago but not quite enough. Orders have been higher than anticipated---not that we're complaining! Anyway, we have a large quantity of amplifiers arriving in the next 2-3 business days(last I checked they were in Chicago yesterday on the way to Cleveland, then to us).

So a new order in the next 1-2 days probably won't ship until Monday or Tuesday next week. Just a heads up.

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Thanks Tom for shipping my fourth XV15SE today and burning in the amp for a couple of days prior to shipping, that's CS and KUDOS to Jim Farina as well.
Off topic, I don't see the XV15SE walking on a bare floor with the rubber at the bottom of the feet, do you still reco using the small pads under the feet on bare floors?
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Hey Bear do those pads really help on bare floors, I know my other three on carpet have ornaments on them and they don't even rattle at all.
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Thanks Tom for shipping my fourth XV15SE today and burning in the amp for a couple of days prior to shipping, that's CS and KUDOS to Jim Farina as well.
Off topic, I don't see the XV15SE walking on a bare floor with the rubber at the bottom of the feet, do you still reco using the small pads under the feet on bare floors?
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Quads? Nice!
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Hey Bear do those pads really help on bare floors, I know my other three on carpet have ornaments on them and they don't even rattle at all.
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Well I have never used the XV15's without them so I can't compare, but I don't have any problem with the subs dancing around. Jim said this can sometimes happen at very high output levels on hardwood. I am sure no PSA owners ever turn their subs up very loud though so.........
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oh, come on man! whyyougottabelikethat?? lol

here's the cliff notes ---------> xv15se > xv15
Then allow me to ask the unanswerable question - If an average Joe were to upgrade a XV15 to an XV15SE, would there be a noticeable difference? I don't mean something that takes a trained ear or test equipment to discern. I realize that everyone is different especially in regards to hearing (hence why I say "unanswerable"), but on average should there be a noticeable difference in bass?
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Then allow me to ask the unanswerable question - If an average Joe were to upgrade a XV15 to an XV15SE, would there be a noticeable difference? I don't mean something that takes a trained ear or test equipment to discern. I realize that everyone is different especially in regards to hearing (hence why I say "unanswerable"), but on average should there be a noticeable difference in bass?
My wife could hear the difference and she does not care about HT at all.
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Good to know. Thanks!

I switched from a Dayton 10" from Parts Express to my XV15 and the difference was best described as "Holy Shi... I mean Crap!" And that's in a ~1400 sq. ft. living space with cathedral ceilings and a very open floor plan. By all accounts that's no where near enough sub for my space, but to me it rocks! I was just wondering if it would really be worth it to pay for the upgrade. I know it won't be anywhere near the difference I experienced upgrading from the Dayton 10", but I'd hate to drop the cash and not notice anything.
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Good to know. Thanks!

I switched from a Dayton 10" from Parts Express to my XV15 and the difference was best described as "Holy Shi... I mean Crap!" And that's in a ~1400 sq. ft. living space with cathedral ceilings and a very open floor plan. By all accounts that's no where near enough sub for my space, but to me it rocks! I was just wondering if it would really be worth it to pay for the upgrade. I know it won't be anywhere near the difference I experienced upgrading from the Dayton 10", but I'd hate to drop the cash and not notice anything.
IMO you'd be much better off getting another XV.
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What would happen if?

Ok, I have an xv15 and it occurred to me, if I plugged the port of the sub would I gain or lose anything? Would the sub respond more like a sealed sub? Just a crazy thought that crossed my mind. Maybe Tom can weigh in on this.
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IMO you'd be much better off getting another XV.

That's definitely in my future plans. I'm also in the middle of planning a dedicated theater in my basement so ultimately the room won't be nearly as large. When posing my question I was thinking in the very near future.
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Ok, I have an xv15 and it occurred to me, if I plugged the port of the sub would I gain or lose anything? Would the sub respond more like a sealed sub? Just a crazy thought that crossed my mind. Maybe Tom can weigh in on this.
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NO NO NO, it is not designed for that, it would be very detrimental to sound quality. I asked that question many moons ago with Tom and he told me do not do it.
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Jim and I were talking today about placement of my 3rd and 4th XV15SE and gave me a suggestion and I'm just waiting for FedEx to deliver my sub on Friday, they called earlier to confirm delivery for the 20th. I'm going to stack dual XV15SEs on their sides and have them front firing dual drivers. I'm making a XV30FSE with dual XV15SEs. My version will have 1100 watts of amp power, a XV30FSE on steroids. I'll be busy all day tomorrow and over the weekend making a bottom platform (raised) and putting thick rubber 2" diameter pucks with velcro to place the second sub on top of the bottom one. When I'm finished it will have the same dimensions and driver orientation and spacing as the XV30FSE only it will be juiced up, 2 X 550 watts firing directly at the MLP about 8-10' behind it. I will experiment with this idea for a week and then try other single locations and take notes and will make my location decision.
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Ok, I have an xv15 and it occurred to me, if I plugged the port of the sub would I gain or lose anything? Would the sub respond more like a sealed sub? Just a crazy thought that crossed my mind. Maybe Tom can weigh in on this.
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I tried it before I upgraded to the SE, the bass tightened up, lost some headroom and not much extension was gained due to the hpf and dsp tuning. If you want tighter bass upgrade it to the SE model. The XV15se sounds amazing with music where the original XV15 was good. Both sound amazing with movies...
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Then allow me to ask the unanswerable question - If an average Joe were to upgrade a XV15 to an XV15SE, would there be a noticeable difference? I don't mean something that takes a trained ear or test equipment to discern. I realize that everyone is different especially in regards to hearing (hence why I say "unanswerable"), but on average should there be a noticeable difference in bass?
i'm going to make this really simple for you and say ABSOLUTELY!. if you read past that i'll explain more....i don't own test equipment, i don't believe in graphs to tell me what i'm hearing or feeling. i simply put in source material that i am very familiar with and can hear in my head how it has sounded the countless times i've heard it. if you were able to make it through my quick review, you would have seen that I A/B'd the old and new with the same settings, same placement, and same source material at the same volume. all i can say is that it was COMPLETELY noticeable. totally night and day for real. ill be the first to say that i was skeptical about upgrading, and i'm sure tom will tell you that i asked him what the policy was if i upgraded and decided i liked the old version better. end of day, there is no way i'm staying with the old, and i will definitely upgrade sub 2 to the new version. this upgrade has been downplayed quite a bit, but it is NOT a subtle upgrade. not in the least.
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Jim and I were talking today about placement of my 3rd and 4th XV15SE and gave me a suggestion and I'm just waiting for FedEx to deliver my sub on Friday, they called earlier to confirm delivery for the 20th. I'm going to stack dual XV15SEs on their sides and have them front firing dual drivers. I'm making a XV30FSE with dual XV15SEs. My version will have 1100 watts of amp power, a XV30FSE on steroids. I'll be busy all day tomorrow and over the weekend making a bottom platform (raised) and putting thick rubber 2" diameter pucks with velcro to place the second sub on top of the bottom one. When I'm finished it will have the same dimensions and driver orientation and spacing as the XV30FSE only it will be juiced up, 2 X 550 watts firing directly at the MLP about 8-10' behind it. I will experiment with this idea for a week and then try other single locations and take notes and will make my location decision.
Cheers Jeff


the xv 30fse has a bit more peak watt power!


guess be close... the venting a bit different..


how big of a riser? 22 inches is a good number


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Jim and I were talking today about placement of my 3rd and 4th XV15SE and gave me a suggestion and I'm just waiting for FedEx to deliver my sub on Friday, they called earlier to confirm delivery for the 20th. I'm going to stack dual XV15SEs on their sides and have them front firing dual drivers. I'm making a XV30FSE with dual XV15SEs. My version will have 1100 watts of amp power, a XV30FSE on steroids. I'll be busy all day tomorrow and over the weekend making a bottom platform (raised) and putting thick rubber 2" diameter pucks with velcro to place the second sub on top of the bottom one. When I'm finished it will have the same dimensions and driver orientation and spacing as the XV30FSE only it will be juiced up, 2 X 550 watts firing directly at the MLP about 8-10' behind it. I will experiment with this idea for a week and then try other single locations and take notes and will make my location decision.
Cheers Jeff
I would place them on a roughly 24" high riser, directly to either side of your chair, firing directly at your face. Dual XV15se earmuffs!!

On a serious note, I would put one on each side of your two main seating positions as end tables.
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NO NO NO, it is not designed for that, it would be very detrimental to sound quality. I asked that question many moons ago with Tom and he told me do not do it.
Do you mean by your emphatic No that this would damage the sub?
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Do you mean by your emphatic No that this would damage the sub?
Don't plug the port on the XV15se(or the XV30s). This would throw all of the excursion versus frequency versus output plots off completely. Those is one of the main determiners on how we encode the DSP to protect the system.

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Don't plug the port on the XV15se(or the XV30s). This would throw all of the excursion versus frequency versus output plots off completely. Those is one of the main determiners on how we encode the DSP to protect the system.

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