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Oh and did anybody see this on DB.com, the XV30se put down 88db @ 10hz and 99db @ 12.5hz with on 7-8%thd In Room!

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Pictures of the XS30...less the drive units. Very well built and braced from what I can tell. Everything wrapped & boxed up....ready for their journey back to PSA. I took some pictures of the drivers...I must say not to shabby and they had some weight to them...much more imposing than web pictures would suggest. I can't wait to install the new drive units...I have strong suspicion that once completed I'll have exactly what I was looking for in a dual purpose sub. Although I view a lot of movies, I do go through phases of only listening to music... during which I felt something... however small, was lacking or missing.

This should be my last upgrade for a while. I will plan another baseball trip next summer that will include Cleveland because I want to visit the R&R hall of fame and likely go to Jacobs Field to catch a Indians game. I might swing by PSA on the way home and p/up a second XS30 next time around...








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So sitting around and suddenly an idea hits me. I do not have a dedicated theater room. All my AV equipment is in our main living room, which on one hand is nice, but on the other hand makes it impossible to enjoy a nice action BD without disturbing the entire house. A 10, 20, or $50,000 dedicated home theater is out of the question, BUT, I have a full unfinished basement with a 12' x 25' x 7' room that can be 100% sealed with a better door. Now it is all concrete and stone, and I don't really have any budget for a theater project anytime in the next several years since we are paying our house off. So here are my thoughts:

1) Hang heavy floor to ceiling curtains all the way around the room for sound absorption and additional soundproofing. Also, provide movie theater atmosphere.
2) Use some sort of cheap acoustic panels to cover the ceiling...maybe drop ceiling type tiles. The current ceiling is some sort of skimmed concrete/plaster.
3) Plop down a nice plush area rug to cover most of the room.
4) Couple of inexpensive seats/recliners for the time being
5) Transfer AV equipment
6) Biggest hurdle/cost would be a new display...this would likely be the sticking point, although I bet Black Friday will likely yield a heck of a deal on a 70".

I think I could throw something like this together for less than I have in my equipment, which isn't much.

Thoughts?
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So sitting around and suddenly an idea hits me. I do not have a dedicated theater room. All my AV equipment is in our main living room, which on one hand is nice, but on the other hand makes it impossible to enjoy a nice action BD without disturbing the entire house. A 10, 20, or $50,000 dedicated home theater is out of the question, BUT, I have a full unfinished basement with a 12' x 25' x 7' room that can be 100% sealed with a better door. Now it is all concrete and stone, and I don't really have any budget for a theater project anytime in the next several years since we are paying our house off. So here are my thoughts:

1) Hang heavy floor to ceiling curtains all the way around the room for sound absorption and additional soundproofing. Also, provide movie theater atmosphere.
2) Use some sort of cheap acoustic panels to cover the ceiling...maybe drop ceiling type tiles. The current ceiling is some sort of skimmed concrete/plaster.
3) Plop down a nice plush area rug to cover most of the room.
4) Couple of inexpensive seats/recliners for the time being
5) Transfer AV equipment
6) Biggest hurdle/cost would be a new display...this would likely be the sticking point, although I bet Black Friday will likely yield a heck of a deal on a 70".

I think I could throw something like this together for less than I have in my equipment, which isn't much.

Thoughts?
This is exactly what I'll be doing in my new house we close on in a month

I just bought a panny ae8000 HD PJ for my display. I will dyi a screen

I plan on a large area rug and a spare armchair. I will be using all my av equipment in my current living room (my ht) for the downstairs. In about 2-3 years I will have the funds to completely build the dedicated theater (although I plan to finish it off in stages as money becomes available)

First step is to build a false wall and at screen. The rest will wait.

I plan on a 130" 2.35 CIH screen. The area will eventually be completely enclosed 12x16x8

Dual xs30's should be awesome in there. But I'm scared I'm going to miss my suspended hardwood floor and it's resonance
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So sitting around and suddenly an idea hits me. I do not have a dedicated theater room. All my AV equipment is in our main living room, which on one hand is nice, but on the other hand makes it impossible to enjoy a nice action BD without disturbing the entire house. A 10, 20, or $50,000 dedicated home theater is out of the question, BUT, I have a full unfinished basement with a 12' x 25' x 7' room that can be 100% sealed with a better door. Now it is all concrete and stone, and I don't really have any budget for a theater project anytime in the next several years since we are paying our house off. So here are my thoughts:

1) Hang heavy floor to ceiling curtains all the way around the room for sound absorption and additional soundproofing. Also, provide movie theater atmosphere.
2) Use some sort of cheap acoustic panels to cover the ceiling...maybe drop ceiling type tiles. The current ceiling is some sort of skimmed concrete/plaster.
3) Plop down a nice plush area rug to cover most of the room.
4) Couple of inexpensive seats/recliners for the time being
5) Transfer AV equipment
6) Biggest hurdle/cost would be a new display...this would likely be the sticking point, although I bet Black Friday will likely yield a heck of a deal on a 70".

I think I could throw something like this together for less than I have in my equipment, which isn't much.

Thoughts?
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This is exactly what I'll be doing in my new house we close on in a month

I just bought a panny ae8000 HD PJ for my display. I will dyi a screen

I plan on a large area rug and a spare armchair. I will be using all my av equipment in my current living room (my ht) for the downstairs. In about 2-3 years I will have the funds to completely build the dedicated theater (although I plan to finish it off in stages as money becomes available)

First step is to build a false wall and at screen. The rest will wait.

I plan on a 130" 2.35 CIH screen. The area will eventually be completely enclosed 12x16x8

Dual xs30's should be awesome in there. But I'm scared I'm going to miss my suspended hardwood floor and it's resonance
Maybe a small(i.e not tall) riser will be in order using 2x4's and plywood so you get some sensation in the floor. I am still curious about some good low frequency transducers like the buttkicker lfe. I've heard they produce very noticeable single digit effects(along with higher stuff as well). So, tell me about this DIY screen.

The thing that really got me thinking about my room was the idea of using drapes..I don't have the time to frame and drywall, and don't care to spend the money to have it done so I figured this would be a cheap and effective option.
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Maybe a small(i.e not tall) riser will be in order using 2x4's and plywood so you get some sensation in the floor. I am still curious about some good low frequency transducers like the buttkicker lfe. I've heard they produce very noticeable single digit effects(along with higher stuff as well). So, tell me about this DIY screen.

The thing that really got me thinking about my room was the idea of using drapes..I don't have the time to frame and drywall, and don't care to spend the money to have it done so I figured this would be a cheap and effective option.
framing is dirty cheap do it your self in a few wknds.. safe sound insulation and dry wall goes up quick.. drapes cost more I bet.. lol


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So sitting around and suddenly an idea hits me. I do not have a dedicated theater room. All my AV equipment is in our main living room, which on one hand is nice, but on the other hand makes it impossible to enjoy a nice action BD without disturbing the entire house. A 10, 20, or $50,000 dedicated home theater is out of the question, BUT, I have a full unfinished basement with a 12' x 25' x 7' room that can be 100% sealed with a better door. Now it is all concrete and stone, and I don't really have any budget for a theater project anytime in the next several years since we are paying our house off. So here are my thoughts:

1) Hang heavy floor to ceiling curtains all the way around the room for sound absorption and additional soundproofing. Also, provide movie theater atmosphere.
2) Use some sort of cheap acoustic panels to cover the ceiling...maybe drop ceiling type tiles. The current ceiling is some sort of skimmed concrete/plaster.
3) Plop down a nice plush area rug to cover most of the room.
4) Couple of inexpensive seats/recliners for the time being
5) Transfer AV equipment
6) Biggest hurdle/cost would be a new display...this would likely be the sticking point, although I bet Black Friday will likely yield a heck of a deal on a 70".

I think I could throw something like this together for less than I have in my equipment, which isn't much.

Thoughts?

I can't beleive your stuffing everything in your LR while you have an unfinished basment just sitting there
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Dual xs30's should be awesome in there. But I'm scared I'm going to miss my suspended hardwood floor and it's resonance
You will likely miss your suspended floor ALOT...unless your ht seating has ulf resonances as well.

You'll pick up pressure, but most likely lose the tactile feel imo. You can supplement by the pressure, but will need diy fire power to do it.

I would definitely build a riser...and one that is conducive to vibrations.
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If anybody's interested I have two XV15's with the bases for sale in the classifieds. They are for local pick-up only.
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Sounds like good idea to me Bear. I know if I had a unfinished basement I would be off to the races.
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Do it, Do it..............what do you have to lose?
dont do it,im a contractor the last thing you want to do is spend time and money and be unhappy with the results. and end up wasting money to redo it. make a plan and do it right,do it in stages.
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If anybody's interested I have two XV15's with the bases for sale in the classifieds. They are for local pick-up only.
If I had the room I would take them off of your hands.

3 as end tables and 2 up front by the mains would be kewl.
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3 as end tables and 2 up front by the mains would be kewl.
You should definitely do it
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Well, I don't see the need to frame an existing room with drywall, so I thought that floor to ceiling fabric like in a movie theater was actually an ideal solution for both sound and asthetics. It is an older home so this would also prevent any moisture that might ever find its way in be less of an issue. Basement has been bone dry since we moved in two years ago with plenty of heavy rains, so it is not a big concern but always a possibility.

Same goes for the area rug. I thought it would help a lot with the acoustical properties of the room but can easily be rolled up or removed if dampness ever becomes an issue. Would also be inexpensive.

Not 100% sure what to use on the ceiling, if anything since it has a complete ceiling. So I figured something inexpensive to improve the acoustics and soundproofing a bit would be a good idea but I don't need to be in a hurry to get this done.

The room is long at 25', so I am thinking of sectioning off the rear of the room with a curtain(not too sure about this), as I will likely have some exercise equipment in that section.

Regardless, it will be next year for sure before I start to tackle this, the money tree is a bit bare of late.

What are peoples thoughts on framing the room with "curtains", would this be as acoustically beneficial as drywall and insulation, or would it be better or worse?
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Well, I don't see the need to frame an existing room with drywall, so I thought that floor to ceiling fabric like in a movie theater was actually an ideal solution for both sound and asthetics. It is an older home so this would also prevent any moisture that might ever find its way in be less of an issue. Basement has been bone dry since we moved in two years ago with plenty of heavy rains, so it is not a big concern but always a possibility.

Same goes for the area rug. I thought it would help a lot with the acoustical properties of the room but can easily be rolled up or removed if dampness ever becomes an issue. Would also be inexpensive.

Not 100% sure what to use on the ceiling, if anything since it has a complete ceiling. So I figured something inexpensive to improve the acoustics and soundproofing a bit would be a good idea but I don't need to be in a hurry to get this done.

The room is long at 25', so I am thinking of sectioning off the rear of the room with a curtain(not too sure about this), as I will likely have some exercise equipment in that section.

Regardless, it will be next year for sure before I start to tackle this, the money tree is a bit bare of late.

What are peoples thoughts on framing the room with "curtains", would this be as acoustically beneficial as drywall and insulation, or would it be better or worse?
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My room is 12W X 7H X 30 D, I framed it with 5/8 drywall, front, back, and side walls and 5/8 and 1/2 drywall with Green Glue in between on the ceiling. I thought about building a floor with 2x4's and plywood but I did not want to lose height, if the room was taller I would of definitely did it. I layed acoustical, waterproof Resilient Vinyl Planks on the floor and an area rug to help with acoustics, I also have bass traps and acoustical panels throughout the room. I painted the ceiling and front wall flat black, the side and back wall is painted with Quick Silver flat paint. I highly recommend going the framing route.
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Here's a couple pics of my latest contraption, I had to try this. I haven't fired them up yet, took me all day to get them setup. Almost the same cabinet model as the XV30FSE, even the drivers are spaced exactly 3 and 1/8" apart, with the riser a little taller. Probably will be tearing it down tomorrow but I just had to try it.
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Whats up with the one driver? Looks completely different.
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Whats up with the one driver? Looks completely different.
If you are talking about ahblaza'a photos, I think it's just because the flash/lighting is different from the top to the bottom speaker.
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yeah, first two pics look normal, but last two have flash reflections and make it look weird. almost makes it look like he has one old driver, one new driver.
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This is the front of my room (loungeroom not dedicated HT) with the two XS30's.



Having the second sub has really helped room response.
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This is the front of my room (loungeroom not dedicated HT) with the two XS30's.



Having the second sub has really helped room response.
Looking real nice. I like the room... and of course the subs! lol
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Unless he is modifying them, it has to be the flash..

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I became the owner of an XV15 in March. The sub has been great, but the driver upgrade has been tempting me ever since I read about it on here. My only question is, how long are the driver upgrades taking? I only have one sub (a problem I will remedy at a later date ) and I do not wish to let it sit idle for a long period of time.

Thanks to everyone in this thread, and especially Tom, for all of your informative posts. I have learned much just by lurking here, hopefully I can contribute something useful myself now.
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I became the owner of an XV15 in March. The sub has been great, but the driver upgrade has been tempting me ever since I read about it on here. My only question is, how long are the driver upgrades taking? I only have one sub (a problem I will remedy at a later date ) and I do not wish to let it sit idle for a long period of time.

Thanks to everyone in this thread, and especially Tom, for all of your informative posts. I have learned much just by lurking here, hopefully I can contribute something useful myself now.
I think you will be amazed at the difference if you pull the trigger on the update. Tom can speak more intelligently on this, but once you receive the boxes for the amp and driver and get them back to FedEx, you shouldn't be out of a sub for more than a couple weeks. Figure one week each way for transit and a few days in Ohio. The programming of the amp is quick for Tom and Jim, however, driver stock is going to be the only factor effecting your delay.

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I became the owner of an XV15 in March. The sub has been great, but the driver upgrade has been tempting me ever since I read about it on here. My only question is, how long are the driver upgrades taking? I only have one sub (a problem I will remedy at a later date ) and I do not wish to let it sit idle for a long period of time.

Thanks to everyone in this thread, and especially Tom, for all of your informative posts. I have learned much just by lurking here, hopefully I can contribute something useful myself now.
A XV15 upgrade would ship immediately. First we will send you an empty box for the amp. As soon as we get the amp back here for reprogramming we usually turn it around within 1 business day(shipping the new SE driver as well). Once you have everything installed just put the old driver back in the same shipping box and stick on the included shipping label. Then hand it off to fedex whenever it is convenient for you.

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I became the owner of an XV15 in March. The sub has been great, but the driver upgrade has been tempting me ever since I read about it on here. My only question is, how long are the driver upgrades taking? I only have one sub (a problem I will remedy at a later date ) and I do not wish to let it sit idle for a long period of time.

Thanks to everyone in this thread, and especially Tom, for all of your informative posts. I have learned much just by lurking here, hopefully I can contribute something useful myself now.
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A XV15 upgrade would ship immediately. First we will send you an empty box for the amp. As soon as we get the amp back here for reprogramming we usually turn it around within 1 business day(shipping the new SE driver as well). Once you have everything installed just put the old driver back in the same shipping box and stick on the included shipping label. Then hand it off to fedex whenever it is convenient for you.

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Uh oh. Now you don't have anything to be concerned about Andrew. What are you waiting for man. PULL THE TRIGGER ALREADY!

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Uh oh. Now you don't have anything to be concerned about Andrew. What are you waiting for man. PULL THE TRIGGER ALREADY!
I did not need too much convincing. I just placed my order for an upgrade. Thanks for the prompt replies, I am looking forward to the upgrade!
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