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Glad you got it sorted, Magibeg. How's your face?!?! (That comment gave me a good laugh!)
Face is pretty good after I managed to wipe the smile off of it. I attached the Y cable, ran through calibration where the sub failed to play the tone the first time but did the next 2 times so it wasn't a proper calibration. The receiver set all the speakers between -8dB and -9.5dB as based on my sitting position but put the sub to +4dB (because it didn't hear the first tone).

Luckily for me I took the initiative to reduce that to -2dB instead of +4dB (subs gain is at the 2 o'clock position). The room was extremely quiet because of running all the calibration during troubleshooting. So I went from a dead quiet room to sudden incredible bass as soon as i popped in some content, hence the "blew my face off" comment.

I now run the sub woofer at -7.5dB and it feels pretty well balanced with my system now.
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After dismantling my subwoofer to remove the amp for the upgrade, I noticed the rubber feet can be detached from the legs. Now my questions is, would it be a bad idea to remove the rubber feet? The only reason I ask is because without the feet, the subwoofer would fit under my projector screen and give me quite a few more options for placement. My theatre room is carpeted, so sliding due to vibration would not be an issue.

Has anyone here removed the rubber feet from their XV15 without issue?
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After dismantling my subwoofer to remove the amp for the upgrade, I noticed the rubber feet can be detached from the legs. Now my questions is, would it be a bad idea to remove the rubber feet? The only reason I ask is because without the feet, the subwoofer would fit under my projector screen and give me quite a few more options for placement. My theatre room is carpeted, so sliding due to vibration would not be an issue.

Has anyone here removed the rubber feet from their XV15 without issue?
The XV15 is downfiring, and the driver moves. Removing the legs would likely cause the driver to hit the floor. So I would say bad idea.
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The XV15 is downfiring, and the driver moves. Removing the legs would likely cause the driver to hit the floor. So I would say bad idea.
He may just be referring to the molded rubber extension on the bottom of the machined nylon stand-offs? The Machine nylon is about 1.75" The rubber extension is about 0.625. I would give it. You'll have about 1.5 inch of clearance between the driver surround and the floor. So unless the carpet is Ron Burgundy shagadelic I bet it works fine.

Also, not sure if it is an option for you but the XV15se will operate fine on its side with the driver facing the seating(or at a 90 degree angle).

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He may just be referring to the molded rubber extension on the bottom of the machined nylon stand-offs? The Machine nylon is about 1.75" The rubber extension is about 0.625. I would give it. You'll have about 1.5 inch of clearance between the driver surround and the floor. So unless the carpet is Ron Burgundy shagadelic I bet it works fine.

Also, not sure if it is an option for you but the XV15se will operate fine on its side with the driver facing the seating(or at a 90 degree angle).

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do you sell any option grills for side mounting or upside down mounting with a sealed xs15se..?


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He may just be referring to the molded rubber extension on the bottom of the machined nylon stand-offs? The Machine nylon is about 1.75" The rubber extension is about 0.625.

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Ah, did not realize they were a two piece design.
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Pulled the trigger on the XS15 upgrade! The wait for the Box begins. Any tips on taking driver out or is it straight forward?
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Besides the $500 to upgrade my dual XV15's and the possibility of a bit less extension in my rather large open room, tell me why I should not do it??

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Pulled the trigger on the XS15 upgrade! The wait for the Box begins. Any tips on taking driver out or is it straight forward?
I'll install the new driver at some point today...IIRC...Jim told me the new drivers are wired in parallel he also included an instruction pamphlet...pretty straight forward I'd say but I've been known to mess things up on occasion...when putting things back together...lol.
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Besides the $500 to upgrade my dual XV15's and the possibility of a bit less extension in my rather large open room, tell me why I should not do it??
For $400 more you can buy a XV15se and have 3 subs 1 se and 2 non se, just a thought.

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Besides the $500 to upgrade my dual XV15's and the possibility of a bit less extension in my rather large open room, tell me why I should not do it??
i'm telling you right now, i was very concerned about the "loss of extension" to the point i almost didn't do it. don't believe the hype....put it in your room and you will laugh at the graphs. i did one upgrade and kept the old version for a later date so i could a/b them figuring that if i preferred the extension of the old version that i could just send back the upgrade. i played WOTW as i typically do to test the subs. i'm not joking when i tell you that the single upgraded unit blew me away. i played the OG version first, and it sounded as i expected it to. i then paused the movie, pulled the OG out of the corner and replaced it with the new version with amp settings identical to the old. replayed the pod scene and it was stronger, louder, tighter, and seemed like it dug deeper. the new one is heads and tails better....and as soon as i get the upgrade money for the second one i will have those boxes delivered! well worth the upgrade price.
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For $400 more you can buy a XV15se and have 3 subs 1 se and 2 non se, just a thought.
Yea but after Gov gets the XV SE and realizes the difference, he will still spend 500.00 to upgrade the other 2. I say spend the 500.00 to upgrade now rather then spending 1399.00 for another SE, and 2 upgrade kits.

Digler, I agree with 99% percent of what you just posted, but the graphs do not lie. The old driver definitely had better extension below 16hz. The kicker is once below 16hz neither version puts out enough output to notice. What you are hearing is the extra headroom around 18-25hz. I gained 5db+ headroom on the Pulse Server scene.
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He may just be referring to the molded rubber extension on the bottom of the machined nylon stand-offs? The Machine nylon is about 1.75" The rubber extension is about 0.625. I would give it. You'll have about 1.5 inch of clearance between the driver surround and the floor. So unless the carpet is Ron Burgundy shagadelic I bet it works fine.
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Ah, did not realize they were a two piece design.
Yes, I only want to remove the rubber extensions. I would have never known they detached myself had I not taken a closer look at the legs when I was dismantling the subwoofer for the upgrade. I don't think my carpet will be a problem.

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Also, not sure if it is an option for you but the XV15se will operate fine on its side with the driver facing the seating(or at a 90 degree angle).

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I never would have thought to try turning the XV15se on its side, thanks! Now I definitely have some experimenting to do when everything arrives and I get it all put back together.
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Definitely need someone to graph the difference for an xs30 upgrade kit

I'm now officially intrigued again lol.

Thinking upgrade one now and another down the road
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Definitely need someone to graph the difference for an xs30 upgrade kit

I'm now officially intrigued again lol.

Thinking upgrade one now and another down the road
Aside from doing max output sweeps(which nobody ever posts), I do not think the differences can be measured any other way. Your best bet is to compare and analyze the Long term compression charts between the XS30 and XS30se and you will see 3-5db more headroom before compression starts on the low end. If you do not listen at levels greater than100-105db, then that probably will not be a big deal, but there still will be a noticeable difference is sound quality.
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Aside from doing max output sweeps(which nobody ever posts), I do not think the differences can be measured any other way. Your best bet is to compare and analyze the Long term compression charts between the XS30 and XS30se and you will see 3-5db more headroom before compression starts on the low end. If you do not listen at levels greater than100-105db, then that probably will not be a big deal, but there still will be a noticeable difference is sound quality.
That says it all!!! I do not do graphs and I noticed the cleaner output with my XS30se right away, your ears will tell you its money well spent!!!!!!

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For $400 more you can buy a XV15se and have 3 subs 1 se and 2 non se, just a thought.
Actually it would be a bit less, 5% returning customer discount. So about $354 more.

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Mission accomplished but not without a hitch. My assistant (cough wife...cough...) must of pulled to hard and disconnected one of the wire terminals from the amp...so I had to pull it and sure enough it was off...actually... both needed to be firmly pushed into place. She complained the jumpers were too short...so Tom or Jim...maybe take note if anybody else needs the SO for assistance please add another inch or so to the jumpers...you know that every inch counts...according to them...JK..

So far... so good...I listened to some tunes, one in particular came through in spades with the newer driver was "Shabada" by Mike Oldfield. I used this song when I had both subs and it sounded distinctly better with the SB13U at the time...today was like deja vu moment as my eyes were closed... the force and impact of that deep note startled me...lol. The SE unit handled it beautifully and with precision...in all honesty it resembled the ultra IIRC...it was really sweet and something I was hoping to accomplish with the switch.

At this time I only adjusted the sub gain using my RSM. I am still using the old subs EQ house curve. I will endeavor to re-run ARC later this week as I am still home on vacation which should help the overall SQ...I'll not yet go out on the limb and say the SE is superior but in a short time it definitely got my attention.

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I'll install the new driver at some point today...IIRC...Jim told me the new drivers are wired in parallel he also included an instruction pamphlet...pretty straight forward I'd say but I've been known to mess things up on occasion...when putting things back together...lol.
Nice. I cannot wait. I am going to have 4 of those puppies in my new mains in a few weeks
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So far... so good...I listened to some tunes, one in particular came through in spades with the newer driver was "Shabada" by Mike Oldfield. I used this song when I had both subs and it sounded distinctly better with the SB13U at the time...today was like deja vu moment as my eyes were closed... the force and impact of that deep note startled me...lol. The SE unit handled it beautifully and with precision...in all honesty it resembled the ultra IIRC...it was really sweet and something I was hoping to accomplish with the switch.
Bill, this is wonderful news indeed! Thank you very much for posting this. We both played that Oldfield cut and we both had the same subs (XS30 and SB13-Ultra) for a comparison. What's even more interesting is that we both came to the same conclusion immediately, and that was that the XS30 just couldn't reproduce those low notes properly, while the Ultra pounded those notes precisely. Now that the XS30se can reproduce those notes equal to the Ultra, I may have to reconsider my position about upgrading to the "se" version (even though it will only be used for movies). Thanks again!

BTW, the ULS-15 couldn't reproduce those notes either, so it must be a difficult piece of music for many subs.

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Nice. I cannot wait. I am going to have 4 of those puppies in my new mains in a few weeks
4 of what in your mains? I must have missed something here?

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Pulled the trigger on the XS15 upgrade! The wait for the Box begins. Any tips on taking driver out or is it straight forward?
It is pretty basic. Just be careful when installing the new driver. One slip of the screw driver and you might poke a hole through the surround. If that happens it isn't the end of the world though. Just smear a little silicon on the hole and let it set up for an hour or two and the repair will likely last for a decade..

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Reef is getting 2 JTR 215RT's. Each one has 2 - 15 inch eminence drivers. They are tuned to 18hz I believe.
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Reef is getting 2 JTR 215RT's. Each one has 2 - 15 inch eminence drivers. They are tuned to 18hz I believe.

Oh okay, I was thinking you were upgrading 2 XS30s or something like that. I've seen those towers, monsters. Makes me wish we had the capabilities to get our speaker ideas into production as quickly as those guys..

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Bill, this is wonderful news indeed! Thank you very much for posting this. We both played that Oldfield cut and we both had the same subs (XS30 and SB13-Ultra) for a comparison. What's even more interesting is that we both came to the same conclusion immediately, and that was that the XS30 just couldn't reproduce those low notes properly, while the Ultra pounded those notes precisely. Now that the XS30se can reproduce those notes equal to the Ultra, I may have to reconsider my position about upgrading to the "se" version (even though it will only be used for movies). Thanks again!

BTW, the ULS-15 couldn't reproduce those notes either, so it must be a difficult piece of music for many subs.
Is this the CD you guys are talking about?

http://www.amazon.com/Music-Spheres-...of+the+spheres

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Oh okay, I was thinking you were upgrading 2 XS30s or something like that. I've seen those towers, monsters. Makes me wish we had the capabilities to get our speaker ideas into production as quickly as those guys..

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