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After the Audyssey calibration, is the subwoofer still set to "On" in the settings?

This is from your manual:

"Using a Powered Subwoofer

If you’re using a powered subwoofer and it outputs very low-frequency sound at a low volume level, it may not be detected by Audyssey MultEQ Room Correction and Speaker Setup. If the “Subwoofer” appears on the “Review SP Configuration” screen as “No”, increase the subwoofer’s volume to the half-way point, set it to its highest crossover frequency, and then try running Audyssey MultEQ Room Correction and Speaker Setup again. Note that if the volume is set too high and the sound distorts, detection issues may occur, so use an appropriate volume level. If the subwoofer has a low-pass filter switch, set it to Off or Direct. Refer to your subwoofer’s instruction manual for details".
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After the Audyssey calibration, is the subwoofer still set to "On" in the settings?

This is from your manual:

"Using a Powered Subwoofer

If you’re using a powered subwoofer and it outputs very low-frequency sound at a low volume level, it may not be detected by Audyssey MultEQ Room Correction and Speaker Setup. If the “Subwoofer” appears on the “Review SP Configuration” screen as “No”, increase the subwoofer’s volume to the half-way point, set it to its highest crossover frequency, and then try running Audyssey MultEQ Room Correction and Speaker Setup again. Note that if the volume is set too high and the sound distorts, detection issues may occur, so use an appropriate volume level. If the subwoofer has a low-pass filter switch, set it to Off or Direct. Refer to your subwoofer’s instruction manual for details".
You're awesome for looking through the manual!

The subwoofer is set to "YES". Another easy way for me to check is on the receivers screen itself there is a little box that says "SW" which is lit also indicating that the sub is in fact active during use. See page 10 of the manual if you're still looking.
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Just a thought, may be grasping at straws at this point....but have you tried a different cable?
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Just a thought, may be grasping at straws at this point....but have you tried a different cable?
I actually haven't. I'll go buy one (I need another one anyway because I'm moving in about a week). Wouldn't be the first time I've been thwarted by a cable. I could also consider a Y split to plug into both inputs, i doubt it would help but i really want to cover all bases.

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So, after stacking my 4 XS15s up front the other day (sounds awesome BTW!) I noticed something strange that has cropped up before;

I bought my first 2 (came with bases) about a year ago and the second pair (no bases) about 4 months later. Even when stacked right on top of one another, I have to flip the phase on either the newer pair or the older pair to get them to not cancel out each other.

Seems to me that one pair is wired out of phase. Would this be your conclusion as well?

Not really a big deal, just seems strange.
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What further confuses me is that while it is doing calibration it doesn't sound abnormally quiet. Calibration is never loud mind you, but I find it especially annoying that my old sub can be dropped in and work perfectly.


Edit - I guess my next plan of attack will be to do a factory reset on the receiver (clear out all settings!), set the sub gain to 1 o'clock position, run audyssey again and go from there.
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Funny enough my Audyssey doesn't ask me to set my subwoofer to 74db (running an Onkyo 707), i'm not sure it will let me read the dB rating live or not but i'll double check with the manual. I might have to buy a SPL Meter.

For source material I used Avatar on blu-ray, a rage against the machine cd, and just an HD movie channel on television.

I want to emphasis how quiet the sub is though. We're talking can have a casual conversation sitting next to it with only a gentle rumble. Maybe as loud as sitting next to a honda civic at idle? not even?
Since everyone else seems to be jumping on the setup, I'll offer some slightly different theories:

1) the source material you are using might not particularly bass heavy or dynamic. Your old sub might sound "louder" with these materials due to compression or distortion, and now that it's clean, you perceive less power. What are your listening levels? Might also try something a little more dynamic, such as Incredible Hulk, transformers, batman trilogy etc.

2) I noticed my new xv15's were a little underwhelming at first as well, so I left the test tones on for a few minutes at moderate volumes to let things stretch out a bit. First thing I demoed was Incredible Hulk, then some other things. By the time I got back to Incredible Hulk it was a totally different experience.

If everything sounds normal during calibration then underwhelming during listening of your favorite material, I doubt it's a setup or sub issue, but more about "expectations" in what you think the bass should be vs what is actually is.

I am by no means an expert, so feel free to smack me around if I am off base here.
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Since everyone else seems to be jumping on the setup, I'll offer some slightly different theories:

1) the source material you are using might not particularly bass heavy or dynamic. Your old sub might sound "louder" with these materials due to compression or distortion, and now that it's clean, you perceive less power. What are your listening levels? Might also try something a little more dynamic, such as Incredible Hulk, transformers, batman trilogy etc.

2) I noticed my new xv15's were a little underwhelming at first as well, so I left the test tones on for a few minutes at moderate volumes to let things stretch out a bit. First thing I demoed was Incredible Hulk, then some other things. By the time I got back to Incredible Hulk it was a totally different experience.

If everything sounds normal during calibration then underwhelming during listening of your favorite material, I doubt it's a setup or sub issue, but more about "expectations" in what you think the bass should be vs what is actually is.

I am by no means an expert, so feel free to smack me around if I am off base here.
Haha I would never smack around someone try to help me. I used a couple different sources (blu-ray, TV, music CD). I admit I haven't let the sub run more than 30 minutes continuous at this point in time but when I say quiet I mean nearly not there at all as opposed to just not reaching bass head levels.
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This is the front of my room (loungeroom not dedicated HT) with the two XS30's.



Having the second sub has really helped room response.
How do you like your mini split?

I wired one for my theater, however I won't be able to install it till last. Do you notice any noise that affects your audio? I really have no choice but to add a mini split as it will be very hard to run an AC line to my room. I actually like the idea of the unit as I can use it when needed. Also, how does the heat pump work? I have seen units on you tube that put out heat in -12 below 0.
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So, after stacking my 4 XS15s up front the other day (sounds awesome BTW!) I noticed something strange that has cropped up before;

I bought my first 2 (came with bases) about a year ago and the second pair (no bases) about 4 months later. Even when stacked right on top of one another, I have to flip the phase on either the newer pair or the older pair to get them to not cancel out each other.

Seems to me that one pair is wired out of phase. Would this be your conclusion as well?

Not really a big deal, just seems strange.
If they are stacked and the phase is 180 out, then yes, they are wired out of phase. Pop off the amp and check the wires.

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If they are stacked and the phase is 180 out, then yes, they are wired out of phase. Pop off the amp and check the wires.
But, do I have to?

Unless it would somehow improve the sound, I'd rather not go mucking about inside the subs.
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But, do I have to?

Unless it would somehow improve the sound, I'd rather not go mucking about inside the subs.
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Being a Marine and a tech, it would drive me absolutely crazy not knowing.

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I actually haven't. I'll go buy one (I need another one anyway because I'm moving in about a week). Wouldn't be the first time I've been thwarted by a cable. I could also consider a Y split to plug into both inputs, i doubt it would help but i really want to cover all bases.
don't think its your cable if it works on the other sub..


what is the phase set at.. ? put at 0 or 180...


good luck eh.. did you ask tom?
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But, do I have to?

Unless it would somehow improve the sound, I'd rather not go mucking about inside the subs.


I have 2 subs going onto a truck soon .. going to be a long wait.. xs15se


is it a good Idea to sit them beside each other to check the phase?


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Wouldn't be a bad idea, but I'm pretty sure my situation is the exception, not the rule.
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It's my OCD... LOL

Being a Marine and a tech, it would drive me absolutely crazy not knowing.
Yeah, you're right....I'll probably end up having to open 'em up.
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don't think its your cable if it works on the other sub..


what is the phase set at.. ? put at 0 or 180...


good luck eh.. did you ask tom?
Tried 0 and 180 for the phase but didn't appear to do anything. Talked to Tom this afternoon. He's a pretty awesome guy so I'm certain a solution will be found. I'm feeling optimistic for tonight!
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Magibeg,

After running your Audyssey calibration, did you check to make sure that your other speakers are set to "small"?

When I calibrate my system, my AVR sets my speakers to "large". After completing the calibration, I must go into the menu and change them to "small", otherwise my sub would not receive any re-directed bass from the other channels. This is an entirely separate menu from the crossover settings, so it could be easy to miss.
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Magibeg,

After running your Audyssey calibration, did you check to make sure that your other speakers are set to "small"?

When I calibrate my system, my AVR sets my speakers to "large". After completing the calibration, I must go into the menu and change them to "small", otherwise my sub would not receive any re-directed bass from the other channels. This is an entirely separate menu from the crossover settings, so it could be easy to miss.
I actually don't think I have that option but I'll double check with the manual. I recall only having the option to set my speakers to full range and then adjust at 10hz intervals. That could be an option with the Audyssey XT32
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I think most of the obvious stuff was sorted out when Magibeg said that he can unhook the XV15 and hook up the PL-200 and have instant bass. That tells me the cable is good and the audyssey settings are close enough. Might be a amp calibration issue.
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I actually don't think I have that option but I'll double check with the manual. I recall only having the option to set my speakers to full range and then adjust at 10hz intervals. That could be an option with the Audyssey XT32


yeah you need the speaker to be small.. even if they are large...


still would be lfe content to the sub tho...


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yeah you need the speaker to be small.. even if they are large...


still would be lfe content to the sub tho...


cheers..
Unfortunately they're not set to full range though, just the option is there. Choices for me and my limited version of audyssey are from full range to 120hz cross over i believe (with mine being set to 80hz).

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With these settings, you can specify which speakers are connected and a crossover frequency for each speaker. The following crossover frequencies can be specified: “Full Band”, “40Hz”, “50Hz”, “60Hz”, “70Hz”, “80Hz(THX)”, “90Hz”, “100Hz”, “120Hz”, “150Hz”, or “200Hz”. Specify “Full Band” for speakers that can output low frequency bass sounds adequately, for example, speakers with a good sized woofer. For smaller speakers, specify a crossover frequency."

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Yeah, on your AVR if it's set to anything other than "Full Band" they are set to "small". You got it right.
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Well I stopped by PSA this morning met Jim and exchanged my old drive units for the SE version. I didn't have a lot of time to stick around and met Tom but in the end it was nice to see the shop and check things out. I saw some interesting things while I was there...anyhow....I can't wait to get home and set up my XS30 with the new drivers...I didn't want to waste to much of Jim's time but I now see why he is called him the "quiet one"...lol.

I'll post some pics once we arrived home...this trip certainly had its bumps...but going from home to Boston with a stopover at friends in Longmeadow, MA then Fenway, Baltimore and finally Pittsburgh. Today we drove to Grove City for some shopping and Mineral Ridge OH...I'm beat. I'll take a cab this evenings game at PNC park....I estimate we've travelled about 2500 km so far and leaving for home tomorrow AM.

I hope you all have a great July 4th long weekend....

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Thanks again for the suggestion...


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Well I stopped by PSA this morning met Jim and exchanged my old drive units for the SE version. I didn't have a lot of time to stick around and met Tom but in the end it was nice to see the shop and check things out. I saw some interesting things while I was there...anyhow....I can't wait to get home and set up my XS30 with the new drivers...I didn't want to waste to much of Jim's time but I now see why he is called him the "quiet one"...lol.

I'll post some pics once we arrived home...this trip certainly had its bumps...but going from home to Boston with a stopover at friends in Longmeadow, MA then Fenway, Baltimore and finally Pittsburgh. Today we drove to Grove City for some shopping and Mineral Ridge OH...I'm beat. I'll take a cab this evenings game at PNC park....I estimate we've travelled about 2500 km so far and leaving for home tomorrow AM.

I hope you all have a great July 4th long weekend....

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Ps: This note is for Raynist...we checked out the Thai food place on Western Av and it was legit!!

Thanks again for the suggestion...


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. I saw some interesting things while I was there...anyhow....
Oh? Can you please explain these interesting little things in great full length detail

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How do you like your mini split?

I wired one for my theater, however I won't be able to install it till last. Do you notice any noise that affects your audio? I really have no choice but to add a mini split as it will be very hard to run an AC line to my room. I actually like the idea of the unit as I can use it when needed. Also, how does the heat pump work? I have seen units on you tube that put out heat in -12 below 0.
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Well, it appears the amp on one of my xv15se's is dead... Tom helped me troubleshoot and they will be shipping one out ASAP (likely Saturday due to holiday tomorrow). Tom is great to deal with. Must say even with this hiccup I'm really impressed with their company and products.

This leads me to a question for all you experts out there. It occurred to me that instead of sitting around being grumpy about this situation, I can drag my outlaw lfm1-ex out of the bedroom and hook it up in the main room. I will for sure do 1 v 1 testing, but I am wondering, how would it mix with my other xv15se?

Any thoughts?
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Good news!

I talked to Tom and did some trouble shooting tonight and my XV15se is now pounding away properly. So as it turns out, my receiver and the sub didn't seem to play nicely with each other, however once we added a Y cable and plugged into both inputs the sub promptly blew my face off.

Without the Y cable i was able to run near max gain with +4dB hot on the receiver and it barely made a whimper, now with the Y cable I'm running -7.5dB at about 1:30 gain. I now understand why some of you were going so crazy when I was running this sub hot. If it was working properly it might have taken down the house!

So compared to my PL-200 now.... much much more powerful. It packs an incredible punch but remarkably is still less "boomy". Watched pieces of a couple of movies and you can really feel the force move through you. When I threw on some music it had the ability to be tight and musical still.

Very very happy! I can barely imagine what it must be like to have 2.. or more of them!
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