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It is pretty basic. Just be careful when installing the new driver. One slip of the screw driver and you might poke a hole through the surround. If that happens it isn't the end of the world though. Just smear a little silicon on the hole and let it set up for an hour or two and the repair will likely last for a decade..

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I'm pretty sure it is easy but I have been known to F up a wet dream.
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Hope he is ok that his dreams are crushed lol
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Hope he is ok that his dreams are crushed lol
Oh, he is still around and still up to his usual tactics in another thread.
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I'm pretty sure it is easy but I have been known to F up a wet dream.
Jim and I have punctured our share of surrounds. Of course we've probably removed/installed a few thousand drivers along the way...but still. How do you think we learned about the silicon trick?..

To reduce the chance of an accident to near zero use a hand(manual) screw driver and don't feel like you need to over tighten anything. A good "snug" is usually enough. If there is any air leaking you will notice it immediately and you can tighten things up if needed.

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usual tactics in another thread.
Yeah, I made the mistake of taking the bait. And of course the old sidekick shows up five seconds later with his typical "here's my chance to kick him when he's down" diatribes. Pure class. How do you put someone on ignore here now?

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Any ETA on a PSA speaker line?

You know it goes in such fits and spurts it is difficult to set any type of firm date. We could have had the 95% solution done last year but this si something we want to be as close to 100% as possible. Recently the whole switch over to the new SE drivers took our complete attention for months. If nothing else pops up demanding immediate attention I can't imagine us not being finished with all custom components on order by the end of this month. OF course I probably said the same about last month too.

I can tell you I'm putting in as many hours as possible to "fast track" things where ever needed. I really can't wait until we're shipping as I believe the speaker design will be as popular as our subwoofers before long.

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Yeah, I made the mistake of taking the bait. And of course the old sidekick shows up five seconds later with his typical "here's my chance to kick him when he's down" diatribes. Pure class. How do you put someone on ignore here now?

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Click on the user name, public profile, user lists, add to ignore. It works wonders.

On a side note I think that issue is finally taken care of.


Labman, if you take the time to go back 30 pages lol I posted some pics of swapping drivers. Use your thumb and side of hand as a protector covering the surround when installing the screws. You will never puncture the surround that way, just your hand.
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You know it goes in such fits and spurts it is difficult to set any type of firm date. We could have had the 95% solution done last year but this si something we want to be as close to 100% as possible. Recently the whole switch over to the new SE drivers took our complete attention for months. If nothing else pops up demanding immediate attention I can't imagine us not being finished with all custom components on order by the end of this month. OF course I probably said the same about last month too.

I can tell you I'm putting in as many hours as possible to "fast track" things where ever needed. I really can't wait until we're shipping as I believe the speaker design will be as popular as our subwoofers before long.

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I don't suppose you can let slip any information of what you're planning for your speaker line?
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Oh okay, I was thinking you were upgrading 2 XS30s or something like that. I've seen those towers, monsters. Makes me wish we had the capabilities to get our speaker ideas into production as quickly as those guys..

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Sorry Tom, I was just being goofy. The new SE drivers look very much like the drivers in the 215's. I actually cannot wait to see your speakers. I promised the wife that this would be my last pair of mains, but I have said that eveytime I upgraded, so I figure I will be ready in a year or so.
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Have any of you guys tried stacking your multiples of the xv15? Just wondering if the downfiring orientation would cause damage to the bottom one?

Also, you gain roughly 6db stacking right? So a stack of two xv15's would be roughly 3 db more than one xv30, which is twice as powerful for only $200 more than a single xv30.
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Have any of you guys tried stacking your multiples of the xv15? Just wondering if the downfiring orientation would cause damage to the bottom one?

Also, you gain roughly 6db stacking right? So a stack of two xv15's would be roughly 3 db more than one xv30, which is twice as powerful for only $200 more than a single xv30.
Both of my XV15se subs are stacked in the corner. Yes they have a 6dB gain in SPL stacked (over one XV15se) They won't damage each other in this config.

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I don't suppose you can let slip any information of what you're planning for your speaker line?
I've posted much of it before so its not really a secret. Larger bookshelf style, dual 10" woofers, Compression tweeter. Extension down to about 65hz, high efficiency. Fairly easy load for amplifiers. These will be able to play loudly and cleanly without needing much amp power. Nothing magical. Just good quality components in a solid design at a fair price.

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Have any of you guys tried stacking your multiples of the xv15? Just wondering if the downfiring orientation would cause damage to the bottom one?

Also, you gain roughly 6db stacking right? So a stack of two xv15's would be roughly 3 db more than one xv30, which is twice as powerful for only $200 more than a single xv30.

1) Right, stacking will tend to gain you 6dB across the entire operating bandwidth

2) Yeah, about 3dB more than a single XV30Fse

3) I wouldn't say 3dB is "twice" as powerful. In this context most consider 6dB to be "twice" or "double" the output. For example, in point #1 , you "double/twice" the XV15se quantity and it leads to a 6dB increase.

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Sorry Tom, I was just being goofy. The new SE drivers look very much like the drivers in the 215's. I actually cannot wait to see your speakers. I promised the wife that this would be my last pair of mains, but I have said that eveytime I upgraded, so I figure I will be ready in a year or so.
I doubt you would consider our speakers an upgrade over these. Of course you would looking at a complete 7.0 package from us for the price of one tower(They are like $5500 delivered each right?)....more or less..

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Both of my XV15se subs are stacked in the corner. Yes they have a 6dB gain in SPL stacked (over one XV15se) They won't damage each other in this config.

Climber, those look sweet with that Polk right next to it. I may try that when I get me next XV15se, and I finally got to watch I frankenstein the other day. I think I may try Robocop or 3 Days to Kill. I am just loving the XV15se!!!It is like christmas every day. Thank Climber and Tom, as well as other in this thread for leading me in the right direction....
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I've posted much of it before so its not really a secret. Larger bookshelf style, dual 10" woofers, Compression tweeter. Extension down to about 65hz, high efficiency. Fairly easy load for amplifiers. These will be able to play loudly and cleanly without needing much amp power. Nothing magical. Just good quality components in a solid design at a fair price.

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I doubt you would consider our speakers an upgrade over these. Of course you would looking at a complete 7.0 package from us for the price of one tower(They are like $5500 delivered each right?)....more or less..

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7K for the pair. Honestly I don't think I am going to be budging from these for a long time. They probably were not nessacary, but some of the guys that have my same taste are telling me they are a big step up from my current 212's, more so with music.

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7K for the pair. Honestly I don't think I am going to be budging from these for a long time. They probably were not nessacary, but some of the guys that have my same taste are telling me they are a big step up from my current 212's, more so with music.
While I do believe those 215RT would be a major step up for music in a 2.0 stereo setup, I do not see the point jumping up from 212's when you have a pair of Triax's that I am sure handle everything from 120hz down beautifully. I do frequent the JTR thread a lot even tho I do not post much there and what I see frequently is the "gotta keep up with the jones" syndrome. That being said I do think those 215 RT's are amazing judging by the specs and reviews

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Both of my XV15se subs are stacked in the corner. Yes they have a 6dB gain in SPL stacked (over one XV15se) They won't damage each other in this config.


Climber, did you do anything other than stack one XV15SE on top of the other? As I now plan on stacking duals in each L&R front corners of my room, anything I should know before doing this as far as anything under the top sub, I didn't like my stacked front firing option in the rear of my room, so I would like to stack all four in the two front corners, two in each corner of course. With the rubber feet I don't see any problem with the top sub walking, thanks for your input.
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Should the XS30se provide much room shake in a 2000 cu ft room? It sounds amazing during music, but I can barely get a rumble in the couch for movies. Setup is in a basement, carpet over concrete foundation.

Honestly, from looking at the sub, I can barely tell they are moving.
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Climber, did you do anything other than stack one XV15SE on top of the other? As I now plan on stacking duals in each L&R front corners of my room, anything I should know before doing this as far as anything under the top sub, I didn't like my stacked front firing option in the rear of my room, so I would like to stack all four in the two front corners, two in each corner of course. With the rubber feet I don't see any problem with the top sub walking, thanks for your input.
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Nope. Just picked it up and set it on top. Works perfect!
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Should the XS30se provide much room shake in a 2000 cu ft room? It sounds amazing during music, but I can barely get a rumble in the couch for movies. Setup is in a basement, carpet over concrete foundation.

Honestly, from looking at the sub, I can barely tell they are moving.
I recommend you give Tom a call and the two of you can walk through your setup. He will need to know your room size (sending him a pic of the room and sub placement before calling him works best), your AVR model and settings, as well as your subwoofer amp settings. Tom is good at walking folks through troubleshooting and setup tweaking.

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sarlindescent: Yes it should. I have an XS30 in a rather open 3,400 cu. ft. room and it slams the walls, vibrates the floors (laminate over concrete slab), my chair and myself. Matter-of-fact it often takes some of my metal art on the wall and moves them out of kilter, so the XS30se should even be better. I'd say you may be in a partial null area. Did you do a subwoofer crawl test to locate your sub in the ideal position for your listening area? I'd also check with some of the people here on how Audyssey has setup your system, because something seems very wrong.
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sarlindescent: Yes it should. I have an XS30 in a rather open 3,400 cu. ft. room and it slams the walls, vibrates the floors (laminate over concrete slab), my chair and myself. Matter-of-fact it often takes some of my metal art on the wall and moves them out of kilter, so the XS30se should even be better. I'd say you may be in a partial null area. Did you do a subwoofer crawl test to locate your sub in the ideal position for your listening area? I'd also check with some of the people here on how Audyssey has setup your system, because something seems very wrong.
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sarlindescent: Yes it should. I have an XS30 in a rather open 3,400 cu. ft. room and it slams the walls, vibrates the floors (laminate over concrete slab), my chair and myself. Matter-of-fact it often takes some of my metal art on the wall and moves them out of kilter, so the XS30se should even be better. I'd say you may be in a partial null area. Did you do a subwoofer crawl test to locate your sub in the ideal position for your listening area? I'd also check with some of the people here on how Audyssey has setup your system, because something seems very wrong.
The OP said it sounds amazing with music so it's unlikely that there is anything significantly wrong with the placement. Most likely an AVR issue IMO.

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sarlindescent: Yes it should. I have an XS30 in a rather open 3,400 cu. ft. room and it slams the walls, vibrates the floors (laminate over concrete slab), my chair and myself. Matter-of-fact it often takes some of my metal art on the wall and moves them out of kilter, so the XS30se should even be better. I'd say you may be in a partial null area. Did you do a subwoofer crawl test to locate your sub in the ideal position for your listening area? I'd also check with some of the people here on how Audyssey has setup your system, because something seems very wrong.

Thanks, thought it should but wasn't 100% sure.
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The OP said it sounds amazing with music so it's unlikely that there is anything significantly wrong with the placement. Most likely an AVR issue IMO.
Hi Kini. I think you're right on the mark. I agree that it may be how Audyssey set up the bass management. We hear of these complaints often. However, since the bass frequencies incorporate a fairly large range (say 16 Hz to 60 Hz or so depending upon the crossover), the O.P. may not be taking full advantage of the frequencies that can be felt in the location he has placed the subwoofer (longer wave lengths react differently in his room). He may be happy with music, which may not reach much below 35 or 40 Hz with most instruments, but isn't impressed with the LFE from movies. A quick test with REW (if he has it) should let him know what's happening at the listening position, and should be done before addressing Audyssey.
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