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Quad Stacked XV15SEs

Thanks Climber for the simple answer even I can understand, really appreciate it. Do you guys think this is foolish stacking dual XV15SEs in each fron L&R corner rather than spreading them out evenly, the reason I ask is that I get so much room gain with the subs upfront in eack L&R corner and my room is rather long 30', with the duals the FR is so smooth compared to my single Triax, I can only imagine four XV15SEs upfront in each corner, it's going to look very intimidating and sound so as well. Hey Billy P, hope your trip was enjoyable, surgery went well but hurting pretty bad and just looking at the other two XV15SEs sitting there is driving me crazy, but the other two sure make up for it, room shaking indeed.
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Just got the second xv15se back up and running! These things are currently putting out monsterous clean bass in my 6000 cubic foot room. Just killing it
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Thanks Climber for the simple answer even I can understand, really appreciate it. Do you guys think this is foolish stacking dual XV15SEs in each fron L&R corner rather than spreading them out evenly, the reason I ask is that I get so much room gain with the subs upfront in eack L&R corner and my room is rather long 30', with the duals the FR is so smooth compared to my single Triax, I can only imagine four XV15SEs upfront in each corner, it's going to look very intimidating and sound so as well. Hey Billy P, hope your trip was enjoyable, surgery went well but hurting pretty bad and just looking at the other two XV15SEs sitting there is driving me crazy, but the other two sure make up for it, room shaking indeed.
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I've got my 4 XS15s in 2 stacks of 2 up front in my living room. The FR is not as good as it was with them spread out around the room, and the seat to seat variance isn't quite as good, but it's the only way I could get the output I craved in my almost 5000 cu. ft. space.

If you've got the ability to measure your FR (and it sounds like you do), you got nothing to lose. Give it a shot both ways and see which works out for you.

If you're getting very smooth response with the 2 where they are and you're just gonna stack 2 more on top, I'd say you can expect the same smooth output, just more of it.
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I've got my 4 XS15s in 2 stacks of 2 up front in my living room. The FR is not as good as it was with them spread out around the room, and the seat to seat variance isn't quite as good, but it's the only way I could get the output I craved in my almost 5000 cu. ft. space.

If you've got the ability to measure your FR (and it sounds like you do), you got nothing to lose. Give it a shot both ways and see which works out for you.

If you're getting very smooth response with the 2 where they are and you're just gonna stack 2 more on top, I'd say you can expect the same smooth output, just more of it.

Two more XV15se subs stacked in the opposite corner of my TV room is sounding pretty tempting...
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SPL meter = SLOW / C Weighting. Most of the inexpensive SPL meters all use the same mic element so the Pyle should be just as accurate as the RS. We're really not worried about absolutes anyway, just the output of the speakers/subs *relative* to each other.

I would keep it simple, dual mono.

http://www.nousaine.com/pdfs/Stereo%20Bass.pdf

As far as the best way to calibrate things with the xsp-1 I would check with emotiva. I usually just get more confused when I DL one of their owner's manuals(using the term loosely)..

It is a good sign that the bass quality doesn't seem to change significantly as you move around room. Just take your time and don't feel like you need to get everything to 100% within 24 hours. Enjoy some music and a good film or two...let the dual XS15se subs stretch their legs a little.

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thanks again Tom..


back is still making working on the subs tuff.. but I switched over from stereo subs out to the summed mono output to the l and r
got a bit of a bass boost.. sound just as good as stereo but more volume available! after a quick 10 mins..


maybe ive turned into a basshead junkie and need bigger more sub .. will continue tuning away.. as back allows


still need to work on phase .. crossover.. and gain level.. I did back it off too 1oclock area before the summed mono started..


thanks


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As much as I love these XV15's they have to go. (original version)
I have a pair in the classified and a discount rate.
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thanks again Tom..


back is still making working on the subs tuff.. but I switched over from stereo subs out to the summed mono output to the l and r
got a bit of a bass boost.. sound just as good as stereo but more volume available! after a quick 10 mins..


maybe ive turned into a basshead junkie and need bigger more sub .. will continue tuning away.. as back allows


still need to work on phase .. crossover.. and gain level.. I did back it off too 1oclock area before the summed mono started..


thanks


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It may just be getting the entire setup optimized. You would need the system to be playing music at pretty extreme volume levels so approach the output limits of dual XS15se in this room environment. I bet once we have a chance to dial everything in a little and let the XS15se stretch their legs for a few days...things fall into place quite well..

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The Y adapter was a big help. Still a little light on the tactile response, but I figure that's cause the room is so dead, but its much more noticeable.
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I've got my 4 XS15s in 2 stacks of 2 up front in my living room. The FR is not as good as it was with them spread out around the room, and the seat to seat variance isn't quite as good, but it's the only way I could get the output I craved in my almost 5000 cu. ft. space.

If you've got the ability to measure your FR (and it sounds like you do), you got nothing to lose. Give it a shot both ways and see which works out for you.

If you're getting very smooth response with the 2 where they are and you're just gonna stack 2 more on top, I'd say you can expect the same smooth output, just more of it.

Alan, before I stack all four I'm going to spread them out fairly evenly (distance wise to the MLP) and check the FR. With the two up front in each L&R corner I have such a smooth response and the nulls are gone when I had only a single Triax. My room is about 2800cf so I should have no problem with filling that space with four XV15SEs either stacked in each front corner or spread out in my room, I will see (hear what sounds good to me), I think I can't go wrong which ever option I decide on. I just like the front stacking option as this would be much more convenient but I'm not after convenience
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I've posted much of it before so its not really a secret. Larger bookshelf style, dual 10" woofers, Compression tweeter. Extension down to about 65hz, high efficiency. Fairly easy load for amplifiers. These will be able to play loudly and cleanly without needing much amp power. Nothing magical. Just good quality components in a solid design at a fair price.

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Dual 10's in a bookshelf speaker? that seems so massive, my towers only have dual 6.5" drivers....
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It may just be getting the entire setup optimized. You would need the system to be playing music at pretty extreme volume levels so approach the output limits of dual XS15se in this room environment. I bet once we have a chance to dial everything in a little and let the XS15se stretch their legs for a few days...things fall into place quite well..

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hi Tom started to get pretty good bass last night for a blue ray movie.. couch was really vibrating good along with the wood floor.. nicely done..


still need to work on the tuning more..


how much more bass output would I get if I stack another pair of xs15se ontop of the ones I have.. ? guess its a bit more expensive than
a pair of xs30se.. and be about the same output? gaining about 6 db per stacked pair?


thanks again


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hi Tom started to get pretty good bass last night for a blue ray movie.. couch was really vibrating good along with the wood floor.. nicely done..


still need to work on the tuning more..


how much more bass output would I get if I stack another pair of xs15se ontop of the ones I have.. ? guess its a bit more expensive than
a pair of xs30se.. and be about the same output? gaining about 6 db per stacked pair?


thanks again


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Hi Bob, I may have under estimated you. Perhaps you are a real "bass head"..

Adding another pair will give you 6dB more headroom across the entire operating bandwidth. This would be 1.5 to 2dB more powerful than a pair of XS30se. Not a significant difference, but once you get to this kind of output the increases will be incremental.

At this point you would be near the equivalent of DUAL paradigm sub 2 units.($18,000!).

Is the HT performance fine but the music/2 channel performance seems lacking in some regard?

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Cableguy,

On the XSP-1, start with the highpass AND lowpass dials around 120hz for now. Let the XS15se handle everything possible before any type of localization sets in.

Also, can your remind me which speakers you're using again---Paradigms?

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Cableguy,

On the XSP-1, start with the highpass AND lowpass dials around 120hz for now. Let the XS15se handle everything possible before any type of localization sets in.

Also, can your remind me which speakers you're using again---Paradigms?

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Good Day Tom... thanks for all your hard work and effort on these forums too!!!


I have a pair of studio 100s matched up with a pair of emotiva xpa 1 fully balanced mono blocks putting out 500w into 8 ohm 1000 into 4ohm .. lots of head room very clean sounding especially matched up with the fully balance xsp 1 analog pre amp...


the sound is pretty impressive all by its self for 2 channel..


been saving for a yr or so to get some subs.. i'm save 1st, buy later kind of guy ..


the 2 channel with the subs is pretty good now too Tom but just wanting more bass.. I fine it difficult to work on the phase
got the meter .. c , slow and low... ready ... have the gain down to about 1.3 oclock area now..


I really have no clue what the analog cross over is at at the xsp 1 its analog no buddy know..


just trail and error to get good sound.. im guessing around 90 80 or 100... still be playing with it and the phase..


back is really sore so its pain vs good sound lol


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Good Day Tom... thanks for all your hard work and effort on these forums too!!!


I have a pair of studio 100s matched up with a pair of emotiva xpa 1 fully balanced mono blocks putting out 500w into 8 ohm 1000 into 4ohm .. lots of head room very clean sounding especially matched up with the fully balance xsp 1 analog pre amp...


the sound is pretty impressive all by its self for 2 channel..


been saving for a yr or so to get some subs.. i'm save 1st, buy later kind of guy ..


the 2 channel with the subs is pretty good now too Tom but just wanting more bass.. I fine it difficult to work on the phase
got the meter .. c , slow and low... ready ... have the gain down to about 1.3 oclock area now..


I really have no clue what the analog cross over is at at the xsp 1 its analog no buddy know..


just trail and error to get good sound.. im guessing around 90 80 or 100... still be playing with it and the phase..


back is really sore so its pain vs good sound lol


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Hi Bob, Please see page 10

https://emotiva.com/resources/manual...ser_manual.pdf

You need to manually adjust those little dials on the back panel(and make sure the toggle switches are set correctly).

The Studio 100s are really good speakers but they aren't going to have the headroom the XS15se does <100hz. I know it may seem counter intuitive to set the 100s for a 100-120hz highpass but give it a shot....at least 100hz. And leave it that way for a couple days while we trouble shoot the phase / distance /etc..

Found a better picture for you

http://www.audioholics.com/av-preamp...iew_fullscreen

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Finally getting a chance to enjoy my XS30se. I put in World War Z for my brother and played the grenade scene when they are in Jerusalem. He said "holy ****! that was like an earthquake!". The pulse that hits you in the chest is something I've been wanting in a sub for sometime. Well worth the wait. Couldn't imagine what two or more of these beasts would sound like.

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It's amazing how many people buy a PSA sub and like clockwork wonder what two or three might sound like. I'm extremely guilty of that fact, I just do it and then think what did I just do, I can't help myself. Once I get the speakers I may be in divorce court of have to hire a contractor
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With 3 xs30se's my wife runs down the stairs to check whether something broke.

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Finally getting a chance to enjoy my XS30se. I put in World War Z for my brother and played the grenade scene when they are in Jerusalem. He said "holy ****! that was like an earthquake!". The pulse that hits you in the chest is something I've been wanting in a sub for sometime. Well worth the wait. Couldn't imagine what two or more of these beasts would sound like.
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It's amazing how many people buy a PSA sub and like clockwork wonder what two or three might sound like. I'm extremely guilty of that fact, I just do it and then think what did I just do, I can't help myself. Once I get the speakers I may be in divorce court of have to hire a contractor
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I mainly have multiples for smoothing and to finish the look being mine are used as end tables. far as output goes, 2 was more then enough. Very seldom do I go north of 120db, but having lots of clean headroom on tap is a good thing and eases the load on equipment.
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It's amazing how many people buy a PSA sub and like clockwork wonder what two or three might sound like. I'm extremely guilty of that fact, I just do it and then think what did I just do, I can't help myself. Once I get the speakers I may be in divorce court of have to hire a contractor
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This is just my small view of things, but I have never seen them wish they went with something else either. It always seems to be a case of "these subs are darn impressive.... Now I must have more!!!"

And at the price points Tom/Jim have set, it's pretty darn achievable.
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Hi Bob, Please see page 10

https://emotiva.com/resources/manual...ser_manual.pdf

You need to manually adjust those little dials on the back panel(and make sure the toggle switches are set correctly).

The Studio 100s are really good speakers but they aren't going to have the headroom the XS15se does <100hz. I know it may seem counter intuitive to set the 100s for a 100-120hz highpass but give it a shot....at least 100hz. And leave it that way for a couple days while we trouble shoot the phase / distance /etc..

Found a better picture for you

http://www.audioholics.com/av-preamp...iew_fullscreen

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thanks for the tip Tom.. yup toggle switches are both turned in so the high and low pass are turned on..


the low pass dial is set a tad higher than the high pass dial just so no gap.. tiny bit.. turning the dials is not easy behind my rack lol


but I cant say enough about the clean sounding performance of the analog xsp 1 pre amp great value for your money.. blow any avr out of the water sq wise.


Big Dan over at emotiva just announced that xmc 1 will start shipping out to people very soon.. that is going to be one heck of a pre pro for ht n 2channel .. I will wait for reviews to come out and have to save my peanuts again.. lol


didn't do any work on the subs settings to sore..


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ps so I started with 2 subs now thinking about getting 4 or 6 LOL
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Yeah, I'm finally getting enough output now with my 4 XS15s stacked....now I want 2 more to smooth my response!

When does it end??
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When does it end??
When you learn to stay off this forum.
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Yeah, I'm finally getting enough output now with my 4 XS15s stacked....now I want 2 more to smooth my response!

When does it end??


maybe you need 4 more to keep it balanced!!!


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Yeah, I'm finally getting enough output now with my 4 XS15s stacked....now I want 2 more to smooth my response!

When does it end??
It never ends I'm going to try stacking my four XV15SEs, two in each front L&R corners tonight and will post my thoughts, I have a ton of room gain with the two subs in each front corners, I can only imagine with four up front Right now I have them spread out evenly (all four about same distance to MLP) but have not calibrated them yet, will try this tonight before stacking all four up front.
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Yeah, I'm finally getting enough output now with my 4 XS15s stacked....now I want 2 more to smooth my response!

When does it end??
Never!

If you ever get satisfied with the bass (I am after 4 Triax's) you find other things to upgrade like speakers, and avr's then to pre-pro's and amps better projector, acoustically transparent screens, room treatments......
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