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Well after reading this thread. I decided to mess around with my positioning of my xv-15 again. It's crazy how big a difference a few inches can make. I think its finally dialed in now. I just watched War of the Worlds again and I was honestly a little skeared biggrin.gif:eek:




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I have another theory. Perhaps your HSU sub was not inert and as a result may have been vibrating. Now if that HSU sub was directly coupled to the floor (assuming not a concrete floor), could cause the floor to resonate. The table at 15' distance, which is still coupled to the floor could vibrate.
Yes, the table could vibrate sympathetically with the floor. But floors don't vibrate from coupling, they vibrate in response to the sub's audio output.
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Is it normal where you turn the volume up high you start to lose the SPL of the bass? Like when I turn it up the ULF gets less and less.
If you're saying what I think you're saying, yes. The driver will run out of excursion at a lower level in the lower end of the passband than in the upper end. That means there comes a point where turning the sub up louder won't get any more volume in the ultra lows, but it will get more volume in the upper end, changing the system response.
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Well after reading this thread. I decided to mess around with my positioning of my xv-15 again. It's crazy how big a difference a few inches can make.
Subs are like a business: The three most important factors are location, location, location. Where yours is concerned if it's not aimed into the corner (I can't tell from the picture) it would probably work even better if it was.

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Well after reading this thread. I decided to mess around with my positioning of my xv-15 again. It's crazy how big a difference a few inches can make. I think its finally dialed in now. I just watched War of the Worlds again and I was honestly a little skeared biggrin.gif:eek:




nice ht.. how do you like your studio 100s what kind of power you feeding them?
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Well after reading this thread. I decided to mess around with my positioning of my xv-15 again. It's crazy how big a difference a few inches can make. I think its finally dialed in now. I just watched War of the Worlds again and I was honestly a little skeared biggrin.gif:eek:




What kind of stand is that for your center?
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Dang, those are some sweet looking speakers.....they look pretty darn expensive too, but super nice smile.gif

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I love the look of that center channel especially.

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I using a xpa-5 to power all of my speakers. I'm loving the Studio 100's so far. My center is a cc 690 the stand is a paradigm stand j-18c.
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I using a xpa-5 to power all of my speakers. I'm loving the Studio 100's so far. My center is a cc 690 the stand is a paradigm stand j-18c.

real nice set up .. i was listening to the studio 60 last friday night.. going back wednesday to listen somemore 100's is on the list.. might even ask for a taste of the signatures as well..

200 watts is a good number for the 100s ..

i was listening to the 60's on a athena 170 wpc reciever.. pretty nice sound.. ran out of time tho. and was too busy to really listen.. weekdays are better for that..

that cc 690 is massive..

the paradigm subs are alot more money then psa thats for sure..

your house must be rocking..

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Guess I should finally change my Sig and post in here. (Ive been trolling PSA far too long!)

Dual XV-15 on the way. 4 more days! Have a feeling this is going to rock a lot harder than my sealed ED Sub!!! biggrin.gif

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Panels absorb and prevent the reflection of sonic energy.

Fling a basketball against a hard surface and then fling a basket ball against a feather pillow in the same location. That sort of thing.

You might find some information here.

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http://gikacoustics.com/articles/


Thanks for the Links, BeeMan458 & cvinfig

heres a good ht 101 set up with absorptive panels on walls and ceiling.. so many mathematical things going on here look carefully if you want great sounding rooms...

ht set up 101 with basic absorptive panels on walls and ceiling

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/610173-acoustics-treatment-reference-guide-look-here.html

great link for acoustic 101 knowledge tonnage here..

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Bill, What smoken is talking about is a cup of water on a side table approx 15 feet away from the sub. On his older sub he could make the water ripple, but not on the new one.
The table will have a resonant frequency. If that coincides with a room mode that's excited by the sub where the table is located it could vibrate enough to make a water glass dance. A different sub might not excite that room mode; for that matter the same sub might not excite it if you move it a few feet. With measuring gear you could find out exactly what's going on in a flash, but without it you can only guess.

very interesting theory ... do you know how fast sound travels though wood? do you think wood could vibrate at every frequency? versus just one?

its not crystal..

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Bill, What smoken is talking about is a cup of water on a side table approx 15 feet away from the sub. On his older sub he could make the water ripple, but not on the new one.
The table will have a resonant frequency. If that coincides with a room mode that's excited by the sub where the table is located it could vibrate enough to make a water glass dance. A different sub might not excite that room mode; for that matter the same sub might not excite it if you move it a few feet. With measuring gear you could find out exactly what's going on in a flash, but without it you can only guess.

very interesting theory ... do you know how fast sound travels though wood? do you think wood could vibrate at every frequency? versus just one?

its not crystal..

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so many mathematical things going on here look carefully if you want great sounding rooms.

Not trying to split hairs, but where's the doorway as many of us have multiple open doorways and wall openings in our listening area? eek.gif

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Well after reading this thread. I decided to mess around with my positioning of my xv-15 again. It's crazy how big a difference a few inches can make. I think its finally dialed in now. I just watched War of the Worlds again and I was honestly a little skeared biggrin.gif:eek:




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very interesting theory ... do you know how fast sound travels though wood? do you think wood could vibrate at every frequency? versus just one?
its not crystal..
Wood may not be crystal but a table still has a resonant frequency. So does a cup made of wood, as would a table made of crystal. And there's nothing theoretical about any of this; rather, it's long understood physics. The speed of sound through wood will vary with the density of that wood, but the average is 12,000 feet per second, as opposed to 1128 FPS in air at 68 degrees F at sea level.

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Bulls fan here...i was watching this game last night ...except I wish I had ur setup :-). I bet it sounded awesome with that xv15 beast.
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Guess I should finally change my Sig and post in here. (Ive been trolling PSA far too long!)

Dual XV-15 on the way. 4 more days! Have a feeling this is going to rock a lot harder than my sealed ED Sub!!! biggrin.gif

Congrats, let us know your thoughts when they arrive. They are monsters, and the duals is an outstanding way to go. How big is the space they are going in? Dedicated theater or living room?
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I have another theory. Perhaps your HSU sub was not inert and as a result may have been vibrating. Now if that HSU sub was directly coupled to the floor (assuming not a concrete floor), could cause the floor to resonate. The table at 15' distance, which is still coupled to the floor could vibrate.

Probably

I just hooked up the HSU and ran the same scene. Lol now the water didn't ripple like it did in the video. Lol I'm going mental!




You are complaining that your XS30 doesn't move the water in that cup and Im complaining that my XS30 is shaking the whole living room?

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You are complaining that your XS30 doesn't move the water in that cup and Im complaining that my XS30 is shaking the whole living room?

How much rumble are you writing about? eek.gif
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I apologize I wasn't trying to come off as complaining just confused and wondering why.
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I can understand your curiosity, I'm curious to know why as well.

I can only guess, but it sounds like Bill hit the nail on the head - your new sub just doesn't excite the right modes to make the water "dance".
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I can understand your curiosity, I'm curious to know why as well.

I can only guess, but it sounds like Bill hit the nail on the head - your new sub just doesn't excite the right modes to make the water "dance".
If you're really hell bent on seeing it dance get a sine wave generator and sweep it until you find the magic frequency. But aside from making a youtube video of it what's the point? Like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNjr91FxaA

Did your glass do dat? eek.gif

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XsOk guys I'm confused. Remember that video I made of my HSU VTF3 MK4 with the Underworld Awakening scene with the super lycan and the cup of water. Well I played the same scene with the XS30 and the water didn't move...at all....like tiny little ripples. I don't understand. I know I have this thing dialed in because I just got done watching Total Recall and my god, at end of it with the fighting scenes in "the fall".....I literally felt like I got off a rollercoaster ride! My HSU never did that, it just felt boomy during that part. So my question is how come the XS30 ain't moving this water, I know for damn sure its more powerful from other scenes I have tried. I also have tried moving the cup of water around. I even placed it ON TOP of the sub and yet nothing!

Do you have your HSU in 16hz Tune mode?

 

It could be your HSU may be playing louder than the XS30 on some frequencies (if I had to guess; more output between 16-22hz). IIRC, the HSU is close to the Outlaw EX, but has a bit more output. If this is the case, it could be that the content your playing is highlighting those frequencies where the HSU has more output; and causing the ripples in the water.

 

Your XS30 will really shine from 30hz and up compared to the HSU, and could be giving you that tactile midbass slam rollercoaster ride; where the HSU might be perceived as 'boomy' (relatively speaking) during the same content.

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If you're really hell bent on seeing it dance get a sine wave generator and sweep it until you find the magic frequency. But aside from making a youtube video of it what's the point? Like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNjr91FxaA

Did your glass do dat? eek.gif

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Not sure of the size... my living room connects to the kitchen/dining room/upstairs/entire house. Really difficult to pressurize the room. Not a large house, just old and thin walls/hardwood.

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so many mathematical things going on here look carefully if you want great sounding rooms.

Not trying to split hairs, but where's the doorway as many of us have multiple open doorways and wall openings in our listening area? eek.gif

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dam good observation smile.gif you can build pretty nice sound proof door ways too these days..

that string is from a guy named Winer he has excellent advice ...

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/610173-acoustics-treatment-reference-guide-look-here.html

http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm

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very interesting theory ... do you know how fast sound travels though wood? do you think wood could vibrate at every frequency? versus just one?
its not crystal..
Wood may not be crystal but a table still has a resonant frequency. So does a cup made of wood, as would a table made of crystal. And there's nothing theoretical about any of this; rather, it's long understood physics. The speed of sound through wood will vary with the density of that wood, but the average is 12,000 feet per second, as opposed to 1128 FPS in air at 68 degrees F at sea level.

so like 10 times faster eh..

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I have another theory. Perhaps your HSU sub was not inert and as a result may have been vibrating. Now if that HSU sub was directly coupled to the floor (assuming not a concrete floor), could cause the floor to resonate. The table at 15' distance, which is still coupled to the floor could vibrate.

Probably

I just hooked up the HSU and ran the same scene. Lol now the water didn't ripple like it did in the video. Lol I'm going mental!




You are complaining that your XS30 doesn't move the water in that cup and Im complaining that my XS30 is shaking the whole living room?

lucky guy whole house shaking
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anybody know the rates to have an xs 30 or 2 xs 15 shipped to canada?

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anybody know the rates to have an xs 30 or 2 xs 15 shipped to canada?

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Give PSA a call. They are very helpful and will give you a quote.

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