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I hate all you guys with your medium sized rooms. I'm pushing nearly 10,000 cu ft in my open living room.

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Nice same thing I did with the Epik, and same thing I will do with this new one. Really helped with the WAF

Now if I could just convince her that we need a second $900 end table...
Well, technically it would be a $799 end table as the second unit is discounted $100 if you purchase it within one year of the initial purchase. I would wait until you get the first dialed in before thinking of adding a second though. The XV15se may surprise you.

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Well, technically it would be a $799 end table as the second unit is discounted $100 if you purchase it within one year of the initial purchase. I would wait until you get the first dialed in before thinking of adding a second though. The XV15se may surprise you.

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Oh I see how it is...now there is a 100.00 credit for each additional instead of 44.00.
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Congrats!! You will be in for a treat....I have been putting mine threw their paces with music the last couple evenings and they are nothing short of Effing Amazing!!! They keep getting better and better.
I have been doing the same thing, and I just realized I had them misconfigured a bit. Sounded amazing even before, but now I enjoy them even more. I have always been a 100% HT kinda guy, but these xv15se's have gotten me into music recently.

Like you said, they just keep getting better and better. I was listening to some music this morning, and got so into it I was 20 minutes late to work.... Yikes
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Oh I see how it is...now there is a 100.00 credit for each additional instead of 44.00.
So I guess basshead u didn't get the $100 off each of your 3 xv15.
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...and two will surprise you twice as much.

I kid. Listen to Tom. I've got a HUGE room.
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So I guess basshead u didn't get the $100 off each of your 3 xv15.
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new standard in blue ray bass movies..


last night I watched Noah .. awesome bass tracks and LOTS of them...


for any bass junkie a must see... im sure there must be one or two around here eh!!!


and to top it off great movie as well!!


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Oh I see how it is...now there is a 100.00 credit for each additional instead of 44.00.

SOP is 1 = full price, 2 = dual discount pricing, 3 = 5% returning customer discount.

So if someone buys three XV15se, 1 = $899, 2 = $799(which mean # 1=2 = $1698 aka "dual discount pricing"), 3 = $854.

If we can dig a little deeper in certain circumstances we do. The discount on your third unit was much more than $44 btw. (check your emails from july 2013).

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...and two will surprise you twice as much.

I kid. Listen to Tom. I've got a HUGE room.
Listen to Tom indeed. Once you buy two you will wonder what four sounds like (this is my current struggle). The after that you'll wonder about xv30's or the Triax - it never ends.
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...and two will surprise you twice as much.

I kid. Listen to Tom. I've got a HUGE room.
Duals almost always offer audible benefits. I try to keep expenses to the minimum that will meet someone's expectations so I will often steer folks to a single unit even though duals would offer benefits in most/all cases. The way I figure it is....they can always add a second (within a year) and still get the same overall pricing..

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It's been a long 2 days of mulling things over ( I was down to the SB13 ultra and Rythmik F15HP) but happy to say my XV15se has been ordered ( thanks Tom for your insight I have my work cut out for me as I'll be attempting to smooth out things as max spl is not the objective, I still have my KK DXD12012 in the front corner of my room and I'm about to order a mic for REW, I'm currently using a Marantz 8801 for my front end and the room is treated as well and has a great balance as is but dual subs have always been the goal. I'm hoping the reports you guys have been giving on the SQ of the XV15se are indeed true and must admit I'm excited about the prospects. Any tips are greatly appreciated !

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Hey guys can anyone recommend the best mic or cheaper options to use with REW ?
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Hey guys can anyone recommend the best mic or cheaper options to use with REW ?
It's not the cheapest alternative but the UMIK-1 is one of the more accurate (especially if you buy a calibrated mic from Cross Spectrum), plug and play mics available.

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It's not the cheapest alternative but the UMIK-1 is one of the more accurate (especially if you buy a calibrated mic from Cross Spectrum), plug and play mics available.
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How about the UMM-6? it seems the others out of stock at the moment.
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I officially joined the PSA (extended) family. I'm helping my parents build a home theater system. I supplied them a Denon AVR and Def Tech speakers (spare equipment I had laying around). Only thing they needed was a sub. Ordered a XV15SE. No surprise, Tom was awesome throughout the process. And the shipping cost to Hawaii was very reasonable. Can't wait to dial it in for the family back home. Will post my impressions.

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There's definitely a learning curve with REW. The UMIK is supposed to be one of the easier mics to integrate. If the software recognizes it, you maybe have 5-6 steps to complete before taking measurements -- there's a tutorial on their website. For me, there was something wrong with my laptop's audio drivers so I had to find a work around which took me a while to sort out.

You might check with Cross Spectrum to see if they have the UMIK in stock. They are located in the U.S.

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Summer of Bass - XS30se

We are now including the XS30se powered subwoofer in our Summer of Bass promotion. Order soon to take advantage of the no risk trial period.
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Listen to Tom indeed. Once you buy two you will wonder what four sounds like (this is my current struggle). The after that you'll wonder about xv30's or the Triax - it never ends.

You couldn't be more spot on with that statement, it never ends, I don't need four XV15SEs but I have them, now I'm thinking since I already had a triax, dual XS30s dual XV15s what can I get now. It's totally rediculous seriously. I essentially have dual XV30FSEs on steroids as all four 15SEs are stacked in each L&R front corners. I dialed them in manually with an SPL meter and they sound great. I'm not a big fan of Audyssey XT which I have and I'm intimidated with REW. What do I do to get the best out of what I have, the four subs have been every where in my room and sound best like they are now buy I don't officially know that. Thinking about going back to two subs (which is really all I need) in my 2600cf room. Forgive my arrogance, complaining about having four identical subwoofers. I'm just at a point that I don't think I will ever be content, maybe after I get the new PSA speakers, who knows. Anybody want to buy four XV15SEs, then what do I do? Help me I think I'm going madddddddd
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SOP is 1 = full price, 2 = dual discount pricing, 3 = 5% returning customer discount.

So if someone buys three XV15se, 1 = $899, 2 = $799(which mean # 1=2 = $1698 aka "dual discount pricing"), 3 = $854.

If we can dig a little deeper in certain circumstances we do. The discount on your third unit was much more than $44 btw. (check your emails from july 2013).

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Well it was more then 44.00 compared to the price increase but I snuck the third in under the old pricing. Anyhow I am very happy with what I paid and am not bitching in the slightest. I actually posted that in jest to let new customers know what a great deal they are getting...hince the emoticons.
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You couldn't be more spot on with that statement, it never ends, I don't need four XV15SEs but I have them, now I'm thinking since I already had a triax, dual XS30s dual XV15s what can I get now. It's totally rediculous seriously. I essentially have dual XV30FSEs on steroids as all four 15SEs are stacked in each L&R front corners. I dialed them in manually with an SPL meter and they sound great. I'm not a big fan of Audyssey XT which I have and I'm intimidated with REW. What do I do to get the best out of what I have, the four subs have been every where in my room and sound best like they are now buy I don't officially know that. Thinking about going back to two subs (which is really all I need) in my 2600cf room. Forgive my arrogance, complaining about having four identical subwoofers. I'm just at a point that I don't think I will ever be content, maybe after I get the new PSA speakers, who knows. Anybody want to buy four XV15SEs, then what do I do? Help me I think I'm going madddddddd
Haha I am glad there is someone more insane than me around here! I am seriously considering picking up two more xv15se's when I order my PSA speakers as well. Not sure what I stand to gain since I don't max out the duals I have now, but I expect it to be nothing less than legen*wait-for-it* DARY!!
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You couldn't be more spot on with that statement, it never ends, I don't need four XV15SEs but I have them, now I'm thinking since I already had a triax, dual XS30s dual XV15s what can I get now. It's totally rediculous seriously. I essentially have dual XV30FSEs on steroids as all four 15SEs are stacked in each L&R front corners. I dialed them in manually with an SPL meter and they sound great. I'm not a big fan of Audyssey XT which I have and I'm intimidated with REW. What do I do to get the best out of what I have, the four subs have been every where in my room and sound best like they are now buy I don't officially know that. Thinking about going back to two subs (which is really all I need) in my 2600cf room. Forgive my arrogance, complaining about having four identical subwoofers. I'm just at a point that I don't think I will ever be content, maybe after I get the new PSA speakers, who knows. Anybody want to buy four XV15SEs, then what do I do? Help me I think I'm going madddddddd
Fortunately, I've been immune and have been able to keep my sanity . I purchased just one … I repeat … ONE … yeah, you heard me right … Uno XS30, and for movies I am completely satisfied. When Tom and Jim introduced the "se" update I was curious, but not enough to bite on the update. Then BillyP indicated that the XS30se was just as capable as the SB13-Ultra for music. That made me think far more seriously about it. You see, BillyP and I both tested the SB13-Ultra and the original XS30 with a particular track of music and were in full agreement that the SB13 was noticeably superior. Now that I know the "se" update had made this sub just as capable as the Ultra for music, it was difficult for me not to try it out. But my conservative side won the battle, especially since the XS30 is only being used for movies and not for music. Now Tom and Jim just upped the ante with extending their free shipping back promotion for the XS30se. Now it is seriously getting difficult not to at least test it out. Hey, Tom, give me a break! Then I relax when I start thinking about all of the work involved ….
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I guess it's a good thing I live all the way up here....otherwise I'd be bouncing off the walls toying with the idea of adding more subs with this promo. I have a forum member visiting some family here locally and he contacted me about coming over...I've known him for many years on another forum and he'll be stopping in this evening around 5:30ish.

He seldom visits here(avs) but I know he practically runs the other forum and he has fun doing so...lol. I hope when he arrives back home safely this weekend...he'll take the time and share his thoughts on both my speakers/ sub. He certainly has gained my respect after reading many of his posts over the years and some of the people he has met & across in the business.
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The only difference between the calibrated UMIK and the calibrated UMM-6 is with the UMM-6 you have to perform the SPL calibration routine every time you fire up REW, with the UMIK you do not.

I use the UMM-6 and have no issues.
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It's been a long 2 days of mulling things over ( I was down to the SB13 ultra and Rythmik F15HP) but happy to say my XV15se has been ordered ( thanks Tom for your insight I have my work cut out for me as I'll be attempting to smooth out things as max spl is not the objective, I still have my KK DXD12012 in the front corner of my room and I'm about to order a mic for REW, I'm currently using a Marantz 8801 for my front end and the room is treated as well and has a great balance as is but dual subs have always been the goal. I'm hoping the reports you guys have been giving on the SQ of the XV15se are indeed true and must admit I'm excited about the prospects. Any tips are greatly appreciated !

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I assume that you plan on trying to keep using the KK along with the PSA, correct? Good thing you're willing to learn REW...you're gonna need it.

Here is my standard procedure for 2 identical subs. The only difference with your mis-matched subs would be that you have to get them both to output the same SPL (will probably have differing gain settings).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Set the gain on both subs to the same level - around 12:00-2:00 on the gain knob is a good starting point. Set phase to "0" on both subs for now.

1. Connect sub #1 only and place it at the MLP
2. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #1
3. Place sub #1 in that position
4. Connect both subs and place sub #2 at the MLP (with sub #1 playing as well)
5. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #2
6. Place sub #2 in that position
7. Playing pink noise, adjust phase on one of the subs until you get the maximum SPL at the MLP (could be variable or a simple 0/180 switch)
8. Run Audyssey, first mic position only, and "calculate"
9. Look to see where Audyssey has set your sub trim, you want it to be around -5db to -8db ideally
10. Adjust the gain on both subs by the same amount up or down as needed
11. Repeat 8-10 until you get the sub trim around -5db to -8db
12. Run the full Audyssey calibration
13. Bump up the sub trim from 3db to 6db to your preference
14. Enjoy!

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You couldn't be more spot on with that statement, it never ends, I don't need four XV15SEs but I have them, now I'm thinking since I already had a triax, dual XS30s dual XV15s what can I get now. It's totally rediculous seriously. I essentially have dual XV30FSEs on steroids as all four 15SEs are stacked in each L&R front corners. I dialed them in manually with an SPL meter and they sound great. I'm not a big fan of Audyssey XT which I have and I'm intimidated with REW. What do I do to get the best out of what I have, the four subs have been every where in my room and sound best like they are now buy I don't officially know that. Thinking about going back to two subs (which is really all I need) in my 2600cf room. Forgive my arrogance, complaining about having four identical subwoofers. I'm just at a point that I don't think I will ever be content, maybe after I get the new PSA speakers, who knows. Anybody want to buy four XV15SEs, then what do I do? Help me I think I'm going madddddddd
Tell me about it...thinking of getting 2 more XS15s here...for a total of 6.

You ask, "What do I do to get the best out of what I have?"...unfortunately, the answer to this is "Learn to use REW".
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The only difference between the calibrated UMIK and the calibrated UMM-6 is with the UMM-6 you have to perform the SPL calibration routine every time you fire up REW, with the UMIK you do not.

I use the UMM-6 and have no issues.
One thing I have noticed is the folks with the UMIK-1 seem to have trouble doing max spl sweeps with REW, where as I have not heard any issues with this from UMM-6 owners. I know I can calibrate for up to a 140db sweep with my UMM-6
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Listen to Tom indeed. Once you buy two you will wonder what four sounds like (this is my current struggle). The after that you'll wonder about xv30's or the Triax - it never ends.
so maybe I shouldn't go for dual XV15s cuz then I'd still want more?
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I assume that you plan on trying to keep using the KK along with the PSA, correct? Good thing you're willing to learn REW...you're gonna need it.

Here is my standard procedure for 2 identical subs. The only difference with your mis-matched subs would be that you have to get them both to output the same SPL (will probably have differing gain settings).

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Set the gain on both subs to the same level - around 12:00-2:00 on the gain knob is a good starting point. Set phase to "0" on both subs for now.

1. Connect sub #1 only and place it at the MLP
2. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #1
3. Place sub #1 in that position
4. Connect both subs and place sub #2 at the MLP (with sub #1 playing as well)
5. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #2
6. Place sub #2 in that position
7. Playing pink noise, adjust phase on one of the subs until you get the maximum SPL at the MLP (could be variable or a simple 0/180 switch)
8. Run Audyssey, first mic position only, and "calculate"
9. Look to see where Audyssey has set your sub trim, you want it to be around -5db to -8db ideally
10. Adjust the gain on both subs by the same amount up or down as needed
11. Repeat 8-10 until you get the sub trim around -5db to -8db
12. Run the full Audyssey calibration
13. Bump up the sub trim from 3db to 6db to your preference
14. Enjoy!

Hope this helps!

Unfortunately placement options are a bit limited for now, I plan to put it behind my left main speaker as my already other sub resides behind the right ( sweet spot) I'm hoping down the road to drop in a second dedicated line to the rear of the room as the existing circuit runs to much already and has a hair trigger! but I do have a long enough extension cord and extra sub cable around just to try it out for curiosity's sake.
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