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basshead81's Avatar basshead81 09:12 PM 08-14-2014
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post
Does anyone know when Ricci will be reviewing the XS30se and XV15se? I thought it was supposed to be sometime in the near future?
By summers end is the last I heard which btw is September 21st. So we have some time yet

basshead81's Avatar basshead81 09:16 PM 08-14-2014
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Yeah, so what's with the secret about how many XS30se's you bought? Spill the beans!

I'm also curious, if you've been chasing the Triax sub sound, why did you get rid of it in the first place? I'm enjoying my Triax as I type this.


I believe the response with a single Triax was not the greatest even tho the sub was a beast. Jeffery wanted to go with multiples to see if the response was improved. He found out that duals work the best in his room with his layout. So instead of quad XV15se, he traded for Dual XS30se. Still has 4 15" drivers and deeper extension.
Saturn94's Avatar Saturn94 09:20 PM 08-14-2014
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I believe the response with a single Triax was not the greatest even tho the sub was a beast. Jeffery wanted to go with multiples to see if the response was improved. He found out that duals work the best in his room with his layout. So instead of quad XV15se, he traded for Dual XS30se. Still has 4 15" drivers and deeper extension.
Ah....I see.
jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15 09:23 PM 08-14-2014
Man the old "official Triax" thread sure died off.
And I haven't seen blackmamba post for a while too now that I think about it.
dsrussell's Avatar dsrussell 09:32 PM 08-14-2014
^^ You're starting to scare me, Joe. Like you, I'm still very bummed about Steve. So if blackmamba sees this, drop in and say hi!
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 01:45 PM 08-15-2014
BH hit the nail on the head, I have two XS30SEs now with one other waiting in the cart to place behind the MLP, I want to get these two dialed as best I can and decide this is what I want and will get the third or just bite the bullet and get dual Triaxs, return shipping is free on the XS30s and I only live a hour away. By the way the last time I talked to Robert (BlackMam) was June 6th, we PM'd a lot and I just sent him one now to see what's happening and that we are all asking about him, so as I know something I will let all know, I pray he's OK, he's a really good guy, fun to talk too as well, thanks for bringing his name up, it's been over 2 months since I heard from him. I hope he's working a lot or listening to his PSA subs and new Klipsch speakers.
Cheers Jeff...............good call BH
MIX_MASTER_ICE's Avatar MIX_MASTER_ICE 05:39 PM 08-15-2014
The XV15se that I only had for 4 days is now up on the PSA site outlet center. In case somebody wants to save some money on a basically new sub.
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 08:18 PM 08-15-2014
My four never made it to the outlet center, they must have a list of people waiting for B-Stock. Just talked with Jim and I'm considering getting the third Monday with the thirty day trial and free shipping I have nothing to lose except my marriage I have to give it a shot, I'll know right away if it's going to work behind the MLP now that I have some set up skills
Cheers Jeff
PS: Nothing from BlackMam yet
Tom Vodhanel's Avatar Tom Vodhanel 10:30 AM 08-16-2014
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My four never made it to the outlet center, they must have a list of people waiting for B-Stock. Just talked with Jim and I'm considering getting the third Monday with the thirty day trial and free shipping I have nothing to lose except my marriage I have to give it a shot, I'll know right away if it's going to work behind the MLP now that I have some set up skills
Cheers Jeff
PS: Nothing from BlackMam yet
We don't do waiting lists as outlet center items tend to be very sporadic...even with our "free shipping" both ways promotion. It really ends up being "the luck of timing". In chat/email or phone call if someone asks about the availability of a B-stock I can let them know we have one(or more) being examined to ensure 100% performance and to check for any visible blemishes. At that time they often choose to purchase the b-stock unit before we even have a chance to put it up on the website.

Who knows, we may see Jeff's XS30se subs popping up in the outlet center in the future too..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
basshead81's Avatar basshead81 11:35 AM 08-16-2014
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Originally Posted by MIX_MASTER_ICE View Post
The XV15se that I only had for 4 days is now up on the PSA site outlet center. In case somebody wants to save some money on a basically new sub.
You sent the XV15se back after only 4 days of demo? Now I see in another thread you are contemplating a EX-1 or VTF-3 in place of the XV? What was wrong with the PSA sub? If I recall correctly you were posting here about setup issues but never responded to half of the PSA members advice they offered. Then you said Tom could not help you and that was the last I heard anything.
MIX_MASTER_ICE's Avatar MIX_MASTER_ICE 11:51 AM 08-16-2014
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You sent the XV15se back after only 4 days of demo? Now I see in another thread you are contemplating a EX-1 or VTF-3 in place of the XV? What was wrong with the PSA sub? If I recall correctly you were posting here about setup issues but never responded to half of the PSA members advice they offered. Then you said Tom could not help you and that was the last I heard anything.
Yeah, Tom was great in working with me on the calibration process, but ultimately I couldn't get it dialed in to my liking. No knock on the sub itself, probably had factors like my crummy room, receiver and such playing a part in the problem. Most of the advice mentioned later in the PSA thread I had already covered, so no need rehashing that stuff when I had Tom to work with. I was considering another Outlaw sub, the EX, primarily because I already have the LFM-1 Plus and like it.
basshead81's Avatar basshead81 11:59 AM 08-16-2014
Ok cool!! Thanks for clarifying. The outlaws appear to be solid subs from what I have heard so hopefully they will serve you well.
Billy p's Avatar Billy p 01:41 PM 08-16-2014
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Yeah, Tom was great in working with me on the calibration process, but ultimately I couldn't get it dialed in to my liking. No knock on the sub itself, probably had factors like my crummy room, receiver and such playing a part in the problem. Most of the advice mentioned later in the PSA thread I had already covered, so no need rehashing that stuff when I had Tom to work with. I was considering another Outlaw sub, the EX, primarily because I already have the LFM-1 Plus and like it.
Yup...I would wait and get another LFM-1 or EX. Its easier to augment 2 subs that closely resemble each other. I doubt the LV12R will benefit you since you were unable to get the XV15 to work in your current layout.
FattyMcButterPants 01:43 PM 08-16-2014
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PS: Tom posted on HTS to check the site in the nest week or so for some exiting new news can't wait.
Cheers Jeff
Been waiting patiently but nobody has said anything and I see no updates... Hurry up Tom, I'm dying over here.
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 06:38 PM 08-16-2014
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Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
We don't do waiting lists as outlet center items tend to be very sporadic...even with our "free shipping" both ways promotion. It really ends up being "the luck of timing". In chat/email or phone call if someone asks about the availability of a B-stock I can let them know we have one(or more) being examined to ensure 100% performance and to check for any visible blemishes. At that time they often choose to purchase the b-stock unit before we even have a chance to put it up on the website.

Who knows, we may see Jeff's XS30se subs popping up in the outlet center in the future too..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Thanks Tom for the vote of confidence, I'm contemplating the third and will let Jim know soon, then you will have three popping up in the outlet centerHa Ha.....The only way they are coming back is if I decide to go with dual Triaxs Then I will be living by myself as I told the misses that's it maybe for subs (except a 3rd XS30SE), she just shook her head. She already knows I'm getting the new speakers when they're ready so I can just slip dual Triaxs in with them, I'll just say it's part of the speaker package. I've already gone through 8 rolls of packing tape
Cheers Jeff

Hey Tom I forgot this
raynist's Avatar raynist 06:47 PM 08-16-2014
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Thanks Tom for the vote of confidence, I'm contemplating the third and will let Jim know soon, then you will have three popping up in the outlet centerHa Ha.....The only way they are coming back is if I decide to go with dual Triaxs Then I will be living by myself as I told the misses that's it maybe for subs (except a 3rd XS30SE), she just shook her head. She already knows I'm getting the new speakers when they're ready so I can just slip dual Triaxs in with them, I'll just say it's part of the speaker package. I've already gone through 8 rolls of packing tape
Cheers Jeff
I bet your ups/FedEx driver hates you
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 06:47 PM 08-16-2014
Hey guys, is it all right to use my desktop with REW as it is in the same room as all my stuff. It's about 10-12' from the MLP. Can I just use longer HDMI cables and longer whatever I need. I go to HTS and I don't even know what to download, there's so much different things on there I don't know what to do first, this version that version, this plug in and that oneI can only imagine how hard it will be if and when I do get it up and running. I do have a laptop with HDMI input as well but I will have to pry it out of my wife's hands. I am determined to do this, one way or another, I think with your guys help and Tom and Jim I can achieve this.
Nothing yet from Robert (BlackMam), a bit worried, well more than a bit, he usually gets right back to me after I PM him
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 06:57 PM 08-16-2014
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I bet your ups/FedEx driver hates you
Ray, it's quite the opposite, he's a young kid and no more than 170 pounds and picked the four XV15s up like they were empty. I used to take them to the shipping store until I found out they do pick ups. Getting them up the stairs is the hard part though, you know what I mean Triax boxes do not fit down my stair well, they must be boxless to get them down and maybe driverless I'm going to do my best with the XS30SEs and maybe the third (I will know by Monday) if I'm getting it, so that will bring the total to 13, if the XS30SEs go back I will post here first so any body on the fence will have the chance to snatch them up, like the 4 XV15SEs
Cheers Jeff
Alan P's Avatar Alan P 09:03 PM 08-16-2014
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Originally Posted by ahblaza View Post
Hey guys, is it all right to use my desktop with REW as it is in the same room as all my stuff. It's about 10-12' from the MLP. Can I just use longer HDMI cables and longer whatever I need. I go to HTS and I don't even know what to download, there's so much different things on there I don't know what to do first, this version that version, this plug in and that oneI can only imagine how hard it will be if and when I do get it up and running. I do have a laptop with HDMI input as well but I will have to pry it out of my wife's hands. I am determined to do this, one way or another, I think with your guys help and Tom and Jim I can achieve this.
Nothing yet from Robert (BlackMam), a bit worried, well more than a bit, he usually gets right back to me after I PM him
Start here buudy.

Simplified REW Setup and Use (USB Mic & HDMI Connection) Including Measurement Techniques and How To Interpret Graphs
cableguy301's Avatar cableguy301 09:14 AM 08-17-2014
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Ray, it's quite the opposite, he's a young kid and no more than 170 pounds and picked the four XV15s up like they were empty. I used to take them to the shipping store until I found out they do pick ups. Getting them up the stairs is the hard part though, you know what I mean Triax boxes do not fit down my stair well, they must be boxless to get them down and maybe driverless I'm going to do my best with the XS30SEs and maybe the third (I will know by Monday) if I'm getting it, so that will bring the total to 13, if the XS30SEs go back I will post here first so any body on the fence will have the chance to snatch them up, like the 4 XV15SEs
Cheers Jeff
just go to the big dogs TRIAX...
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 02:23 PM 08-17-2014
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Thanks Alan, I guess I better start reading and get caught up as this thread is from 2013
ggsantafe's Avatar ggsantafe 03:23 PM 08-17-2014
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Thanks Alan, I guess I better start reading and get caught up as this thread is from 2013
Better yet - go the last pages in the thread and find any post from Austin Jerry and follow the link in his signature for his set up guide. Take some time to read the guide and then feel free to ask questions in the simplified REW thread - you'll find lots of experience & support and with REW you'll finally be able to see how your subs & speakers interact with your room and begin to make the appropriate adjustments to maximize performance.
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 07:16 PM 08-17-2014
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Better yet - go the last pages in the thread and find any post from Austin Jerry and follow the link in his signature for his set up guide. Take some time to read the guide and then feel free to ask questions in the simplified REW thread - you'll find lots of experience & support and with REW you'll finally be able to see how your subs & speakers interact with your room and begin to make the appropriate adjustments to maximize performance.
Thanks my friend, I saw his name and the link in his sig, I will go there and try to get a grasp on things, thanks again.
Cheers Jeff
Morkeleb's Avatar Morkeleb 10:24 PM 08-17-2014
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Just wanted to let all know that I sent my four XV15SEs back Monday morning and Jim said they were all sold by Tuesday evening, somebody got a really good deal on my subs as they were practically out of box, seriously. The XV15SEs must be selling like hot cakes. So far so good with the XS30SEs, still working to get the ideal sound.
Just a quick question, anybody have good results with gain matching their subs by placing in the middle of room away from all boundaries and mic (SPL) 2-3" from center of driver and repeating with the rest of your subs in the exact same position as the first one measured? I've been reading a lot of good results with this method or is level matching the preferred method. TIA
Cheers Jeff
I plan on trying to gain match my XS30se with my 15" JBL sub. While reading through some of the "Two subs...Gain matching vs Level matching" AVS thread. Some suggest placing the mic between the two drivers (the side of the sub if it has dual opposing drivers). It seems you did yours facing the driver. Did you get better results this way? Just curious thanks! Also on a side note I have yet to find a scene better for showing off the Xs30se than the grenade scene in World War Z. It's shock wave heaven. My JBL adds some amount to this scene also, too bad it can become boomy in some movies.
Tom Vodhanel's Avatar Tom Vodhanel 08:19 AM 08-18-2014
Hi all,

Just a quick heads up. While the new "chat" feature works fine 99% of the time I have been having one problem. When I turn it off(select "don't accept new chats") for the night, at times it will turn itself back on before I get back to work in the morning. I'm going to start closing the program completely before leaving in hopes this works. Anyway, some mornings (like today) it shows I missed 6-12(or more) sessions. I apologize to anyone who may have been waiting for a reply from me in these instances. Generally, I'm available for chat from about 9:30am to about 8:30pm...7 days a week.

For anyone I missed, please feel free to stop back in today. Chat is actually my favorite part of the day..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 05:12 PM 08-18-2014
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Originally Posted by Morkeleb View Post
I plan on trying to gain match my XS30se with my 15" JBL sub. While reading through some of the "Two subs...Gain matching vs Level matching" AVS thread. Some suggest placing the mic between the two drivers (the side of the sub if it has dual opposing drivers). It seems you did yours facing the driver. Did you get better results this way? Just curious thanks! Also on a side note I have yet to find a scene better for showing off the Xs30se than the grenade scene in World War Z. It's shock wave heaven. My JBL adds some amount to this scene also, too bad it can become boomy in some movies.
I've had real good results measuring one driver at about 88dB, then placed back into position I usually get the target dB out of 72-78dB, works for me. If you don't get the results of 72-78dB, raise or lower the gain on sub until you do. Then of course run Audyssey or what ever you have. Thanks for the heads up with the World War Z scene (grenade), have to get it just for that.
Cheers Jeff
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 05:15 PM 08-18-2014
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Hi all,

Just a quick heads up. While the new "chat" feature works fine 99% of the time I have been having one problem. When I turn it off(select "don't accept new chats") for the night, at times it will turn itself back on before I get back to work in the morning. I'm going to start closing the program completely before leaving in hopes this works. Anyway, some mornings (like today) it shows I missed 6-12(or more) sessions. I apologize to anyone who may have been waiting for a reply from me in these instances. Generally, I'm available for chat from about 9:30am to about 8:30pm...7 days a week.

For anyone I missed, please feel free to stop back in today. Chat is actually my favorite part of the day..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
Yeah Tom I'm really upset as I was trying to chat at least ten times myself, I'm kidding, I was just trying to return something
Cheers my Friend, Jeffrey
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 05:17 PM 08-18-2014
I'm really starting to be concerned as I still haven't heard from BlackMam, anybody know anything?
Cheers Jeff
Tom Vodhanel's Avatar Tom Vodhanel 06:56 PM 08-18-2014
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I'm really starting to be concerned as I still haven't heard from BlackMam, anybody know anything?
Cheers Jeff
IIRC he worked LONG hours with very unusual scheduling. I bet everything is fine..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
ahblaza's Avatar ahblaza 09:46 PM 08-18-2014
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IIRC he worked LONG hours with very unusual scheduling. I bet everything is fine..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
He has mentioned that he works some crazy hours and I hope that is the case, I will let everyone know when I finally hear from him.
Cheers Jeffrey
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