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Watched "Ender's Game" last night........yikes!!!! I thought my Triax was going to blow my house apart!

Thank goodness the neighbors were having a party last night, so they really couldn't complain about all the noise coming from our house.

It's obvious I've not yet realized what my Triax can do.
Yeah, those rocket launch scenes scare me with the dual XV15se subwoofers. My neighbors were hootin' and hollerin' last night too so I cranked up some tunes with all of my windows open. You could hear the music from my system down at the end of the street 10 houses away. Heck, I think they were enjoying my music. LOL

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Yeah, those rocket launch scenes scare me with the dual XV15se subwoofers. My neighbors were hootin' and hollerin' last night too so I cranked up some tunes with all of my windows open. You could hear the music from my system down at the end of the street 10 houses away. Heck, I think they were enjoying my music. LOL
I have been tweaking my dual xv15se's lately and have to say, they are more powerful than I realized (and I was already astounded). Just changing the phase made a big difference, and then I upped the crossover to 100 (previously at 80), and I am LOVING the results. I guess the xv15se is more capable in the 80-100hz range than my polk rti a5 fronts.
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I would hold off until we get data for the PV15X(should be soon). On paper it looks like it should outperform the XV15se being it has more power, a great driver, and significantly bigger enclosure.

That being said I still like the XV15se, being it's downfiring...this will allow more placement options to maximize the performance and response. Lets face it, there will be far less places in a room to place a elongated side firing 15" sub. I do like everything I see about the PV15X component wise, but I am not a fan of the enclosure design.
+1. I already responded on the RA thread, but I think you (Hound888) should go in the PSA website and chat with Tom. To say he is awesome is an under statement. I too was on the fence with rythmik, RA, and even toyed with jumping up to the leagues of JTR. All have good customer service, but PSA is hands down the best I have experienced (I traded up from dual svs pb12-nsd's). They really place a premium on customer service, even more so than the vaunted SVS.
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Thanks guys, I'll have to give both Tom and Jeremy a call and see what they have to say.
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I would hold off until we get data for the PV15X(should be soon). On paper it looks like it should outperform the XV15se being it has more power, a great driver, and significantly bigger enclosure.

That being said I still like the XV15se, being it's downfiring...this will allow more placement options to maximize the performance and response. Lets face it, there will be far less places in a room to place a elongated side firing 15" sub. I do like everything I see about the PV15X component wise, but I am not a fan of the enclosure design.
there is a big difference in the enclosure s psa is 1 inch mdf and the other is only .75in the warranty is weaker as well..


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I have been tweaking my dual xv15se's lately and have to say, they are more powerful than I realized (and I was already astounded). Just changing the phase made a big difference, and then I upped the crossover to 100 (previously at 80), and I am LOVING the results. I guess the xv15se is more capable in the 80-100hz range than my polk rti a5 fronts.
Hey R, could you be more specific when you say you changed the phase and it made a significant difference, just curious my friend. I'm going with the understanding that the object of tweaking the phase controls is to increase output at the MLP but I realize there's more to it than that, so please if you don't mind let me know what you did that made that much of a difference, I know you have ported and I have sealed but the same should apply to both, correct? TIA
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Hey guys, I'm still waiting on the question as to get a new receiver with XT32 or keep my XT capable receiver and stick with REW and the miniDSP and UMIK. I'm really leaning towards Onkyo as I've owned them for many years even when they were made in Japan. I still have a very functional Onkyo 702 that is flawless. The reason I'm hesitating as it will still be used as a preamp or pre-pro unless I sell off all my amps. I know a lot of folks are not to keen on Onkyo but I have never had a problem with any of mine. I'm looking at the 929 and 1010 both have XT32 and are in the $900 range. TIA
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Hey R, could you be more specific when you say you changed the phase and it made a significant difference, just curious my friend. I'm going with the understanding that the object of tweaking the phase controls is to increase output at the MLP but I realize there's more to it than that, so please if you don't mind let me know what you did that made that much of a difference, I know you have ported and I have sealed but the same should apply to both, correct? TIA
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You hit the nail right on the head pretty much. The output increased noticeably, but also things are even more well aligned now. I didn't realize before but the bass was slightly lagging behind some of the other notes... Now that everything is more in phase the power and cleanliness took a large step forward. All I did for now was fully reverse the phase 180 degrees. Maybe later I will stop being lazy and experiment with optimizing it - the xv15se does offer variability everywhere from 0-180 after all

Oh and yes, sealed and ported should behave similarly in regards to phase matching I believe. I bet those xs30se's are really opening up with all the new toys you are stock piling over there. I might have to join the party soon with REW and minidsp.

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You hit the nail right on the head pretty much. The output increased noticeably, but also things are even more well aligned now. I didn't realize before but the bass was slightly lagging behind some of the other notes... Now that everything is more in phase the power and cleanliness took a large step forward. All I did for now was fully reverse the phase 180 degrees. Maybe later I will stop being lazy and experiment with optimizing it - the xv15se does offer variability everywhere from 0-180 after all

Oh and yes, sealed and ported should behave similarly in regards to phase matching I believe. I bet those xs30se's are really opening up with all the new toys you are stock piling over there. I might have to join the party soon with REW and minidsp.
I'm not at the party yet, waiting on my new laptop and miniDSP and UMIK. Did you reverse the phase on both your subs or just one? TIA
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Hey guys, I'm still waiting on the question as to get a new receiver with XT32 or keep my XT capable receiver and stick with REW and the miniDSP and UMIK. I'm really leaning towards Onkyo as I've owned them for many years even when they were made in Japan. I still have a very functional Onkyo 702 that is flawless. The reason I'm hesitating as it will still be used as a preamp or pre-pro unless I sell off all my amps. I know a lot of folks are not to keen on Onkyo but I have never had a problem with any of mine. I'm looking at the 929 and 1010 both have XT32 and are in the $900 range. TIA
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Yeah, the members around here have a pretty strong affinity for Denon it seems, and for good reason. I've had several onkyo receivers and loved them all - I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. Right now I have a pioneer elite sc35 that I absolutely love, but I do wish I had audessy... Things like this typically come down to personal preferences, which is why I think people aren't chiming in. Each brand has it's own acoustical signature, so I believe the general rule is if your brand has all the features you want, then stick with it unless you want to try something new.
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I'm not at the party yet, waiting on my new laptop and miniDSP and UMIK. Did you reverse the phase on both your subs or just one? TIA
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you wont be sorry, the miniDSP did wonders for me. I still have room issues that wont be corrected until I get my dedicated room set up. as it sits now I couldn't be happier, until of course I get the 2nd xv15se at the end of the year.
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Couple of questions, my new laptop which will be here soon has HDMI, after reading some info on the miniDSP site it says to use the HDMI output of your laptop, how do I know if this is an input or an output. Also the laptop is Vista 8.1, is this compatible with REW and miniDSP. One more, with a 2 way you can measure dual subs what happens if you decide on getting more than two subs, would I need a four way? Shows how much I know Sorry for the dumb questions, I want to try and get a grasp on this stuff before my tools arrive.
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Yeah, the members around here have a pretty strong affinity for Denon it seems, and for good reason. I've had several onkyo receivers and loved them all - I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. Right now I have a pioneer elite sc35 that I absolutely love, but I do wish I had audessy... Things like this typically come down to personal preferences, which is why I think people aren't chiming in. Each brand has it's own acoustical signature, so I believe the general rule is if your brand has all the features you want, then stick with it unless you want to try something new.
I'm not against Denon as I would be using only as a preamp and taking advantage of the XT32, I've heard the 4000 is decent but the higher end receivers pack a lot of amp punch in case I decided to use the receiver for more than a preamp. Well did you change the phase on both subs or just one?
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I have been tweaking my dual xv15se's lately and have to say, they are more powerful than I realized (and I was already astounded). Just changing the phase made a big difference, and then I upped the crossover to 100 (previously at 80), and I am LOVING the results. I guess the xv15se is more capable in the 80-100hz range than my polk rti a5 fronts.
I got the smoothest response crossing over to my Triax at 120hz. At first I was concerned about localization crossing over that high, but it didn't turn out to be a problem.
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Guys, is this what I need to download REW and get started, post #12 in this thread, all three files?
http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...support-2.html

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I'm not against Denon as I would be using only as a preamp and taking advantage of the XT32, I've heard the 4000 is decent but the higher end receivers pack a lot of amp punch in case I decided to use the receiver for more than a preamp. Well did you change the phase on both subs or just one?
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Sorry man, somehow I missed that the first time around. I switched the phase on both subs since they only sit like 8-10 ft apart. Figured they should behave pretty darn similarly in this setup but I will mess with things one day and see what I get
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there is a big difference in the enclosure s psa is 1 inch mdf and the other is only .75in the warranty is weaker as well..


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Did not know RA only used 3/4". Might not be a big issue if lots of bracing is used. Thx for pointing that out!!
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Did not know RA only used 3/4". Might not be a big issue if lots of bracing is used. Thx for pointing that out!!
Our 15" cabinets are heavily internally braced and have 2" thick baffles on the 15" versions, 1.5" inch on the 12" models.

The 15s are recessed 1" into the cabinet and the 12s are recessed .75 inches.
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Didn't know there was that much of a difference between the two, not familiar with Denon, had real good luck with Onkyo though, I was looking at a TX-NR1010, I could get it for $995. It has everything as well XT32 and SUBEQ. Thanks for the heads up with Audyssey XT and XT32.

Onkyo is great as well. I have recommended them exclusively for the last two decades, but they have had a good amount of problems with their HDMI boards on the last few model years. The good news is, they have stepped up and released a press release saying that they are extending coverage of some of these models until 2018. If any way possible, get the serial number of the product you are thinking about buying and put it in at their site to be sure that it's covered. If not, I would highly recommend the extended warranty.

Here is the info about the coverage extension: Onkyo acknowledges failed units and extending warrranties until 2018
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Our 15" cabinets are heavily internally braced and have 2" thick baffles on the 15" versions, 1.5" inch on the 12" models.

The 15s are recessed 1" into the cabinet and the 12s are recessed .75 inches.
how thick is the rest of the cab?
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Our 15" cabinets are heavily internally braced and have 2" thick baffles on the 15" versions, 1.5" inch on the 12" models.

The 15s are recessed 1" into the cabinet and the 12s are recessed .75 inches.
I understand talking about different sub makers, however, it is bad form to have a specific discussion about them on another manufacturers thread. There has to be an RA thread for this type of discussion.
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Onkyo is great as well. I have recommended them exclusively for the last two decades, but they have had a good amount of problems with their HDMI boards on the last few model years. The good news is, they have stepped up and released a press release saying that they are extending coverage of some of these models until 2018. If any way possible, get the serial number of the product you are thinking about buying and put it in at their site to be sure that it's covered. If not, I would highly recommend the extended warranty.

Here is the info about the coverage extension: Onkyo acknowledges failed units and extending warrranties until 2018
Thanks Zeus, I just checked mine at the site and it is not defective. I have used two 200mm fans since I bought all of my Onkyo receivers drawing the heat from the top cover of chassis and no over heating issues what so ever. I really am considering the TX-NR1010 as it has everything I need and the price keeps dropping, it's a fifty pound receiver and I've always equated weight with quality, that may sound stupid to most but I like a little meat with my potatoes Thanks again for the link.
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I really am considering the TX-NR1010 as it has everything I need and the price keeps dropping,.
I have the exact AVR , it is brilliant and I highly recommend them.
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I understand talking about different sub makers, however, it is bad form to have a specific discussion about them on another manufacturers thread. There has to be an RA thread for this type of discussion.
Agreed, and I only wanted to correct the info being discussed as it was brought up here.
I hope Tom and Jim don't mind as no disrespect to their thread is intended. I am quite fond of Tom (haven't talked to Jim yet) and admire their company and products greatly.

Carry on!
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Nah...I have zero issues with mfgs partaking in other owners threads if there happens to be some sort of mis-information being discussed about their product in any comparison.

I'm sure Tom or Jim would do the same if something of that nature was pointed out to them.

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I understand talking about different sub makers, however, it is bad form to have a specific discussion about them on another manufacturers thread. There has to be an RA thread for this type of discussion.
Just a few days ago we had a gentlemen who was contemplating picking up dual Rythmik FV15HP's. He currently has dual XS30's. Anyhow the conversation ended up shifting to how he could ensure his subs were dialed in properly, so that he was getting the best possible sound out of his PSA subs. Point being it was on the Rythmik thread and nobody cared or took offense. We all have the same goal at the end of the day no matter what brand of subwoofer we go with. That's to sit back and enjoy clean LFE.
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I would hold off until we get data for the PV15X(should be soon). On paper it looks like it should outperform the XV15se being it has more power, a great driver, and significantly bigger enclosure.

I missed this.... PV15X????

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Agreed, and I only wanted to correct the info being discussed as it was brought up here.
I hope Tom and Jim don't mind as no disrespect to their thread is intended. I am quite fond of Tom (haven't talked to Jim yet) and admire their company and products greatly.

Carry on!
What information did you correct? You mentioned how thick the baffle of your sub is but did not address how thick the rest of the sides were. Cableguy said .75 thick, which appears to be true. I commented that is probably just fine with the proper amount of bracing.
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Agreed, and I only wanted to correct the info being discussed as it was brought up here.
I hope Tom and Jim don't mind as no disrespect to their thread is intended. I am quite fond of Tom (haven't talked to Jim yet) and admire their company and products greatly.

Carry on!
Jim's a great guy as well and very knowledgeable, we speak quite often, he's the quiet intelligent type
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