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Jeffery, just buy these...

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Get the master slave combo for 4590.00. I thought about seeing if mark would sell me just the cabs but I have no where to put them. I was thinking about storing them until I can build a dedicated theater, but it would be better if somebody could utilize them now.

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Would have significantly more output then 4 Submersives in the 10-25hz and roughly the same output above that point.

Honestly 4590.00 is a killer price for what you are getting. Probably 3-4 Triax's of output in those beasts.

Those subs from Mark would be absolute beasts! Probably make you literally crap your pants belting out brown notes!...lol
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Those subs from Mark would be absolute beasts! Probably make you literally crap your pants belting out brown notes!...lol
Exactly! I wish I had the room for them...if I did they would be mine and I would still keep my XV15se for end tables. .

4-18's tuned to 11hz and 4-15's tuned to 18hz would be fun but my poor room would explode.
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Exactly! I wish I had the room for them...if I did they would be mine and I would still keep my XV15se for end tables. .

4-18's tuned to 11hz and 4-15's tuned to 18hz would be fun but my poor room would explode.

I think you meant "your house"....lol
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I'm still trying to figure out whether it was jbrown or basshead that really played Lyle in the Italian Job

"speakers so loud they blow women's clothes off"

That would be Jbrown...his subs are probably that capable or damn near anyway.
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Honestly 4590.00 is a killer price for what you are getting. Probably 3-4 Triax's of output in those beasts.
Really? Four 18s versus Twelve 15s. 4000 watts versus 16,000 watts? My money would be on the Triax over the large majority of the operating bandwidth..

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Really? Four 18s versus Twelve 15s. 4000 watts versus 16,000 watts? My money would be on the Triax over the large majority of the operating bandwidth..
Somehow I don't think Basshead is interested in the majority of the operating bandwidth
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I hope its ok to ask this here. I currently have an XV15se and another company has put one of their closeout subs down to $499. It's the PB12 NSD. Do you think they would integrate well together. TIA

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I hope its ok to ask this here. I currently have an XV15se and another company has put one of their closeout subs down to $499. It's the PB12 NSD. Do you think they would integrate well together. TIA
Probably okay(meaning both should work okay/good together) Which receiver are you using? Any sort of external sub EQing? (miniDSP for example).

Also remember, a second XV15se would only be $799 for you as long as you purchase it within 1 year of the first.

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I hope its ok to ask this here. I currently have an XV15se and another company has put one of their closeout subs down to $499. It's the PB12 NSD. Do you think they would integrate well together. TIA
Unless very carefully eq'd the PB12-NSD will get exposed by the XV15se's superior output and extension. I would try to save up a little more and acquire a second XV. Do it right the first time and you will end up saving yourself time and money in the long run. Also, it will save you from constantly asking yourself what if I had went with another XV. Trust me this is someone speaking from experience.
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Probably okay. Which receiver are you using? Any sort of external sub EQing? (miniDSP for example).



Also remember, a second XV15se would only be $799 for you as long as you purchase it within 1 year of the first.



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I am using A Pio Sc25. I don't have any sort of external sub eqing. I'm not sure if I would have the patience .

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Unless very carefully eq'd the PB12-NSD will get exposed by the XV15se's superior output and extension. I would try to save up a little more and acquire a second XV. Do it right the first time and you will end up saving yourself time and money in the long run. Also, it will save you from constantly asking yourself what if I had went with another XV. Trust me this is someone speaking from experience.
Your probably right that I should go with a 2nd XV. At $499 for that other sub that's a steal



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The PB12nsd should work fine at moderate to moderately loud levels. The main concern is it will run out of headroom way before the XV15se. So at louder levels the PB12nsd will more/less "give up" which can cause a couple issues.

1)if you are using the PB12nsd to smooth out the bass, the smoothing effect will be lost.

2)The bass presentation may seem to "shift" a little drawing attention to the single XV15se at this point.

At $499 the pb12nsd is a bargain....just be 100% sure on its agreed upon condition before purchasing.

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Really? Four 18s versus Twelve 15s. 4000 watts versus 16,000 watts? My money would be on the Triax over the large majority of the operating bandwidth..

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I would think enclosure volume of the 18's makes up quite a bit of ground. Aside from that I was just basing that off of the fact that Mark said two of the Terraforms would equal 4 Submersives. So yea you are right probably would be more like 2.5-3 Triax's. Anyway you slice it 4590.00 is a great price.

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Hey guys, thinking I need to quit being a chump and get into the minidsp game. Is there an advantage to going through PSA for this? I can't seem to tell by looking at both websites.
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Actully that turned into 32.

Well yes and no, he owns 32 but never had 32 up and running
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I would think enclosure volume of the 18's makes up quite a bit of ground. Aside from that I was just basing that off of the fact that Mark said two of the Terraforms would equal 4 Submersives. So yea you are right probably would be more like 2.5-3 Triax's. Anyway you slice it 4590.00 is a great price.

If I hadn't built my subs I would of had to seriously consider those monsters from Mark, they would have fit perfectly behind my false wall too.
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If I hadn't built my subs I would of had to seriously consider those monsters from Mark, they would have fit perfectly behind my false wall too.
I know you built your subs for less but seriously 4590.00 for those monsters is smoking deal.

Ok back to original scheduled programming.

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Hey guys, thinking I need to quit being a chump and get into the minidsp game. Is there an advantage to going through PSA for this? I can't seem to tell by looking at both websites.
Yes PSA supplies a power supply with it...and it is simply good practice to support your manufacturer.
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Hey guys, thinking I need to quit being a chump and get into the minidsp game. Is there an advantage to going through PSA for this? I can't seem to tell by looking at both websites.
1) Current Power Sound Audio customers get 10% off so the price is $126 including shipping.
2) We include a 5 volt power supply
3) We include one free "plug in code" for you to download whichever "plug in" you want to use.
4) We have plenty of stock so a new order ships same day(or next business day if you order after 2pm Eastern time
5)If you have any questions we're here 7 days a week.


So you will get the miniDSP quicker, for less cost, and enjoy domestic support 7 days a week.

Why would you *not* purchase from Power Sound Audio?...

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1) Current Power Sound Audio customers get 10% off so the price is $126 including shipping.
2) We include a 5 volt power supply
3) We include one free "plug in code" for you to download whichever "plug in" you want to use.
4) We have plenty of stock so a new order ships same day(or next business day if you order after 2pm Eastern time
5)If you have any questions we're here 7 days a week.


So you will get the miniDSP quicker, for less cost, and enjoy domestic support 7 days a week.

Why would you *not* purchase from Power Sound Audio?...

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Sounds like a great deal! I may have to grab one to implement a house curve.

Do you have the balanced version?
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I know you built your subs for less but seriously 4590.00 for those monsters is smoking deal.

Ok back to original scheduled programming.
Agreed, and don't minimize the importance of the DSP being "tuned" by Mark. With great power comes great tuning requirements..

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Sounds like a great deal! I may have to grab one to implement a house curve.

Do you have the balanced version?
Not on hand, but we may add a bunch of those into our next order. We do have the 10x10

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But that may be a little much for your requirements..

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Not on hand, but we may add a bunch of those into our next order. We do have the 10x10

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/colle...nidsp-10x10-hd

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I have actually looked at that but was thinking they may ad the DIRAC functionality to that unit at some point.

I have an onkyo PR-SC5509 with XLR pre outs so I could take advantage of the 10x10 but all of my speakers are driven by iNuke3000dSP's which have built in 8 band PEQ's and 2 band Dynamic EQ so it wouldn't really be necessary.

I will probably order one of the balanced units when you get them in and wait for 10x10 to get DIRAC.

The other unit that intrigues me is the HDMI unit that has DIRAC that they sell.
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First, for 499.00, that is a lot of sub, a very good deal (assuming you are okay with whatever blemishes the unit has going on).


Some other points:


Yes, if you have a miniDSP or Audyssey SubEQ, you should be okay with them blending together. Just note that once you hit about -15db to -10db below reference and above, your PSA is going to start to show off.


If you are looking for a bargain, the Outlaw LF1 EX occasionally goes on sale for 599.00 and would be a better deal IMHO.


Take a look at data-bass.com and compare your PSA measurements vs the SVS (also noting the databass numbers are for the slightly less capable non-se PSA). Keeping in mind 3db difference in a sub is certainly noticeable, you are really talking about two subwoofers from different classes. That fine, American made piece of audio equipment you own is kind of head and shoulders...

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Having had both in my room at the same time (as well as the outlaw ex), I would say the pb12-nsd would be a serviceable companion to the xv15se, but it's really not in the same league at all. I bought dual pb12-nsd's at their $599 sales price and paid full boat for the dual xv15se's, but ended up retaining the xv's and shipping the pn12's back to svs. It pained me to do so because I love a good deal, but they really are head and shoulders better. I suspect if you buy a pb12-nsd at this price you'll be left wondering what could have been (which is what happened to me).

My advice, keep your $500 and apply it towards the second xv15se for $799 as Tom stated. If it's worth doing you might as well do it right.
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Having had both in my room at the same time (as well as the outlaw ex), I would say the pb12-nsd would be a serviceable companion to the xv15se, but it's really not in the same league at all. I bought dual pb12-nsd's at their $599 sales price and paid full boat for the dual xv15se's, but ended up retaining the xv's and shipping the pn12's back to svs. It pained me to do so because I love a good deal, but they really are head and shoulders better. I suspect if you buy a pb12-nsd at this price you'll be left wondering what could have been (which is what happened to me).

My advice, keep your $500 and apply it towards the second xv15se for $799 as Tom stated. If it's worth doing you might as well do it right.
Yeah I have decided against it and I will just wait to get a 2nd xv15se. I also didn't realize that it wasn't new stock. My ocd would never allow to purchase a scratch and dent item.

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