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post #13861 of 30091 Old 09-22-2014, 11:18 PM
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Continuing my history of silly questions, I'm back with a new and exciting one!
So I bought a 50 ft sub cable last week thinking that I might want to move my XS15se into a near-field position. Of course, in the intervening days I've managed to tweak the settings so it's sounding fantastic in the location I'd originally selected. It has a 30-some foot cable on it now, but I think the cable may be poorly designed or damaged because the receiver setting for the distance was off by a good amount. Which leads me to the question: can cable length cause enough signal degradation or delay to cause the room eq to over-estimate the distance? A 15 ft cable would be sufficient for my current need, so do I...

A. return the new cable in favor of a shorter distance,

B. Keep the new cable, because the monoprice is likely better than the Monster crap,

C. Keep the existing cable because it works, and/or

D. Stop worrying about silly minutiae

Multiple choice!

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The distance offset is most likely due to the DSP in the amp. Is it off by 5 feet or so?
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The distance offset is most likely due to the DSP in the amp. Is it off by 5 feet or so?
Yes, it was about 5 ft off. Adjusting it down to the correct (measured) distance made a significant difference in sound quality from the sub!
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It sound like crazy because the diffirence price, but anyone here can tell me will the XS30SE out perform the Velodyne DD 15 ? I am thinking of purchafe a XS30SE after got a beautifull XV15SE .
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Seriously?


Thanks 'basshead' that's why I was building off of the 'if you just won the lottery' canard. But you're right, it's vastly more expensive than the Triax, thanks for helping us with that- we had no idea. <sarcasm>


The topic of the JL Audio sub was brought up initially by Tommy V himself, after you accused his measurements of being 'too inflated.' I guess Tommy V should go shack up in the JL Audio thread too, right? For what it's worth, I just purchased a XS15se, and I explained why I chose it over the ESub.
They were not measurements just guesstimates.

you completely missed my sarcasm...I know you prurchased a XS15.
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Yes, it was about 5 ft off. Adjusting it down to the correct (measured) distance made a significant difference in sound quality from the sub!
The actual physical distance to your sub is rarely the correct distance setting in the AVR. The differences are due to a multitude of factors (i.e. interaction with your room, DSP).

The proper way to find the best distance setting is with the sub distance tweak.
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The distance offset is most likely due to the DSP in the amp. Is it off by 5 feet or so?

Right, the DSP imparts a small latency on the signal as it is processed. 4-5 feet sounds about right.

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It sound like crazy because the diffirence price, but anyone here can tell me will the XS30SE out perform the Velodyne DD 15 ? I am thinking of purchafe a XS30SE after got a beautifull XV15SE .
Goto data-bass and compare the Vel 18 to the xs15se. Take off about 2-3dB on the vel 18 and you'll get an accurate indicator of the vel 15. Then add 3-4dB to the XS15se and you have a very good idea of what the XS30se would show. It looks really close from about 15hz to 40hz. Above 40hz and the XS30se will have the advantage. From 45-100hz looks to be more than double the output capabilities on average.

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Thanks all - I've got a UMIK on the way from Tom and it should be here Friday. I'll do some testing with it and REW and see what I can come up with for the proper distance setting. I will say that setting the sub distance in the AVR to the measured distance made quite a bit of difference in the bass response. Sounds like you're saying that I should leave it at the YPAO setting, though, at least until I can run more accurate tests with both the Center and Sub in REW - or am I misunderstanding?
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My order for an XS-15se is in, now the wait begins.


I feel like a kid a week before Christmas
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Enjoy Claw! I know I'm certainly enjoying mine!
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Thanks all - I've got a UMIK on the way from Tom and it should be here Friday. I'll do some testing with it and REW and see what I can come up with for the proper distance setting. I will say that setting the sub distance in the AVR to the measured distance made quite a bit of difference in the bass response. Sounds like you're saying that I should leave it at the YPAO setting, though, at least until I can run more accurate tests with both the Center and Sub in REW - or am I misunderstanding?
Nope, not saying to trust YPAO. In your room, the actual physical distance may be the correct setting...you won't know for sure until you get REW up and running.

Until then, whatever distance setting produces the highest SPL at the MLP (with the sub cal noise in your AVR) is as close as you can get without measuring equipment.
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My order for an XS-15se is in, now the wait begins.

I feel like a kid a week before Christmas
The XS-15se is so good, that you'll want to add a second one.

Multiple subwoofers will help reduce the occurrence of room resonances and improve the overall quality of bass throughout your room.

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Nope, not saying to trust YPAO. In your room, the actual physical distance may be the correct setting...you won't know for sure until you get REW up and running.
Thanks Alan - since I'm only a few days from getting the UMIK I'll likely wait for further adjustments until I can play with it and REW. My wife is fairly patient on this, but that patience only goes so far.
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Just a heads up. All the veneer options on the Triax are sold out right now. Your can still get a single or dual Triax's in satin black. If you looking to buy a Triax with veneer best talk to PSA directly.

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Speaking of which...
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Speaking of which...

Ohhhhh snap!!!

Get her set up and report back...stat!!
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Speaking of which...
Congrats man! I wish you the same joy my PSA subs bring me
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My order for an XS-15se is in, now the wait begins.


I feel like a kid a week before Christmas
I know that feeling all too well, congrats on the purchase!
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Just a heads up. All the veneer options on the Triax are sold out right now. Your can still get a single or dual Triax's in satin black. If you looking to buy a Triax with veneer best talk to PSA directly.

Supplier problem?

Love the look of my Cordovan Cherry Triax.
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Ohhhhh snap!!!

Get her set up and report back...stat!!
What? I can't hear you, I'm setting up my sub!

Naaah not really in fact the AVR is still in its box Though I hope to at least open the box before I go to bed. In the meantime I have speakers to wall mount and wire up and it's not going as smoothly as I hoped...
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What? I can't hear you, I'm setting up my sub!

Naaah not really in fact the AVR is still in its box Though I hope to at least open the box before I go to bed. In the meantime I have speakers to wall mount and wire up and it's not going as smoothly as I hoped...
Ha! For some reason or another it never does.
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Supplier problem?

Love the look of my Cordovan Cherry Triax.
I'm guessing a simple issue of not having anymore cabinets for sale, until they order more. Seeing as the Triax is likely one of their most niche products and their most expensive.It wouldn't surprise me if they don't order many of the evener cabinets at one time. which are likely low volume and not as commonly ordered. I'm sure PSA will tell us if there is a problem with getting more.

I bet you do. I love it to, can I barrow it...

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Any word on XS30 and XV15 testing by Josh Ricci? Last I heard it was suppose to be by summers end.
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Here's a proof of unpacking

First impressions are that the thing is a tad bigger and heavier than I thought it would be. I said before it could be used as a bench in a pinch for the kids but it turns out it would be a perfect bench for adults or a cool end table. It does fit under the table where I wanted it but I'm happy I didn't order the XV15 after all. The finish is better than I thought -- I like it a lot. The sub looks really sturdy overall and I really like the curved corners, it does give a classy touch to an otherwise rather spartan design.

Of course now I really look forward to try it but I had more pressing issues last night.
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i noticed they have added a PSA badge! thats a nice touch...my xv15 didnt have it nor my xs30's
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Not that I disklike the badge or the logo but I do think it breaks the "black monolith" look a bit though. I wonder if it can be safely removed without leaving glue residue that would be hard to clean on the bumpy finish.

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or you could do the big time mod to get rid of it....


turn that side away from viewing angle hahaha
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Not that I disklike the badge or the logo but I do think it breaks the "black monolith" look a bit though. I wonder if it can be safely removed without leaving glue residue that would be hard to clean on the bumpy finish.

Yeah, just peel away slowly and carefully and you should be fine. A touch of windex is there is any residue.

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Yeah, just peel away slowly and carefully and you should be fine. A touch of windex is there is any residue.

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Your logo is cool, as is the Spartan black monolith look.


Decisions decisions...


I'm just ready for FedEx to get here! TOMORROW!
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