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Really different designs that are optimized for different room environments. If the room is larger than say 3500-4000 cu-ft, I bet you prefer the ultra in most listening checks. If the room is much under 3000-3500 cu-ft I bet you prefer the XS30 a good part of the time.

Also, keep in mind for not much more than the ultra you can get DUAL XS30se subs. That would tilt everything toward the XS30se(s) in my opinion.

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The XV30 cranks out 120db from 63-125hz. My number one pet peeve anymore is when folks try to base a comparison based off of a narrow bandwidth. Sure the PB13 has a slight advantage from 20-45hz, but from 50-125hz the XV30 pulls away with ease. When you average the entire bandwidth the XV30 wins.

16-100hz cea2010 averages:

PB13U- 113.2

XV30se- 114.6

Another consideration is the XV30Fse didn't have the benefit of driver+port summation in the output checks. The port was measured, and then the driver baffle was measured separately. If Josh continues with his testing he'll probably come up with some sort of "summation" compensation file down the road. For now, just look at the 20-40hz output on the XV30Fse...see the unnatural "frown"? That is where the port+driver summation would be apparent. It wouldn't make a huge difference but I think you would see that 20-40hz range tick up a dB or two.

Based on the last 3-4 reviews I have seen I would expect the XV30Fse to have a much more accurate frequency response too as for some reason the PB/PC13ultras all measure with FR quirks.

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[QUOTE=FattyMcButterPants;28646937]
I've always admired the look of the xv30 for it's sheer brutality [QUOTE]




me too...!


i've been checkin this sub out for bout a month now...just don't read much about those with first hand experience with 'em.


been weighing pro's and con's between a pair of xv30fe's vs a pair of rhythmic F25's...
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Well PSA uses the standard "put a couple of big drivers in an equally big and ugly box" method.

Going with that you can get more output for less going to a DIY system.
The whole "costs less" argument over simplifies things too much.
I'm not sure how the cost of the product is ever over simplifying things? That is going to be one of the primary considerations for these types of purchases 99 out of 100 times.

In regards to box aesthetics...opinions vary. Let's not forget that "big ugly box" is made in Ohio by a vendor who has added two new employees just this year to keep up with our demand. Some may consider that a benefit versus the all chinese product?

BTW, we're building 5 of the XV30Fse right now. So a few folks must think the "big ugly" look is back in vogue?

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BTW, we're building 5 of the XV30Fse right now. So a few folks must think the "big ugly" look is back in vogue?

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Personally I'm a big fan of a "big ugly black box". They look fantastic sitting there in the corner and next to the couch.

Plus they make a powerful statement. A statement of: No wine spritzers or chick flicks here. Just good beer with wall quaking, floor shaking, LFE rumbling no holds barred bass bliss.

So to me the "Big Ugly" is a thing of beauty.
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I'm not sure how the cost of the product is ever over simplifying things? That is going to be one of the primary considerations for these types of purchases 99 out of 100 times.

In regards to box aesthetics...opinions vary. Let's not forget that "big ugly box" is made in Ohio by a vendor who has added two new employees just this year to keep up with our demand. Some may consider that a benefit versus the all chinese product?

BTW, we're building 5 of the XV30Fse right now. So a few folks must think the "big ugly" look is back in vogue?

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Wasn't really a knock on PSA. Most ID and DIY subs are like that. That's what works and is most cost effective.
Customers buying such subs know that and place performance over aesthetics.
Just as many think the fuzzy water heater is ugly too.
This has been discussed to death in another thread. Value varies per individual. Personally I don't care what the sub looks like. I only care if it fits in my space.
And I'm glad you and RA are using local sources and vendors.
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Dual XS30se's

Duals........
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Duals........
Now this is a man that likes bass...dual XS30se and no main speakers!
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I wonder why PSA use only Satin Black apply to MDF? Why not another color as it was same cost? I sold my XV15SE mostly because it satinblack. And i am sure that i woudn't bought my recent XS30SE if it not that Cherry color even the subwooer damn good. I think people will love PSA more if the can choice another color instead of only satin black ( i am not mean the expensive real wood)
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Now this is a man that likes bass...dual XS30se and no main speakers!
I figured someone would pick up on that fairly quickly.

Due to many different room constraints, they are hiding in the ceiling.
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Duals........
Look real cool! Can you tell me how long from the back of your sub to the wall?
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I wonder why PSA use only Satin Black apply to MDF? Why not another color as it was same cost? I sold my XV15SE mostly because it satinblack. And i am sure that i woudn't bought my recent XS30SE if it not that Cherry color even the subwooer damn good. I think people will love PSA more if the can choice another color instead of only satin black ( i am not mean the expensive real wood)
Probably because black is a color that is both common and unobtrusive.

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Look real cool! Can you tell me how long from the back of your sub to the wall?

They are right at 1.5" from the wall.

I have worked them out pretty good so far, and have noticed there is not more than .5"
excursion from the drivers.
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I'm not sure how the cost of the product is ever over simplifying things? That is going to be one of the primary considerations for these types of purchases 99 out of 100 times.
Of course. Cost is the main driver for sure. But there is still a market for nicer finishes -- looks like the XS30 with wood finish is quite popular. I think PSA nailed down the best compromise with the satin black finish default and optional, more expensive finishes.

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So a few folks must think the "big ugly" look is back in vogue?
Well I wouldn't call the XV30F ugly. But you do have to agree that the look is... what's the right word? I'd say "spartan"

I'm still surprised how neat the satin black finish is (and also the overall shape on the XS15), I was expecting something much more basic.

That being said, the spartan look is not for everybody / every location. I myself would just love a bunker with a whole wall of XV30F's (considering I'd never be able to build something myself resembling notnyt's theater, which really would be my ultimate dream HT). But since I don't have my own mancave, compromises have to be made, and the XS15 is hidden away under a table

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Now this is a man that likes bass...dual XS30se and no main speakers!
150 Hz should be enough for anyone.
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Probably because black is a color that is both common and unobtrusive.
Yup. Black sells. Nothing else(besides wood veneer) does. Pretty simple..

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Probably because black is a color that is both common and unobtrusive.


I've noticed that its also the most popular color for Harley Davidsons
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Hi, thanks for replying to my thread on Anandtech Tom

My HT room is 20'L x 11'w x 9'h, unfortunately no door yet to single entrance. I am running B&W 805's, B&W HTM4, and B&W CDM 1nt's rear. powered by a Emotiva 200w/ch amp. 120" projection screen. Which PSA sub or subs would you recommend?
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Hi, thanks for replying to my thread on Anandtech Tom

My HT room is 20'L x 11'w x 9'h, unfortunately no door yet to single entrance. I am running B&W 805's, B&W HTM4, and B&W CDM 1nt's rear. powered by a Emotiva 200w/ch amp. 120" projection screen. Which PSA sub or subs would you recommend?
With a little <2000 cu-ft I'd look sealed, shallow rolloff. This will mirror your room transfer function to provide extremely deep extension, and optimal sound quality as well. Now it just comes down to two considerations.

1)How much headroom/output do we need to meet your performance expectations?

2)Do you have a preference for one sub versus two subs?

If you don't have a strong preference for duals and the smoothing effect they typically offer I would start with a singl XS15se or XS30se. Both will extend below 10hz in this room environment with really good overall SQ. The main difference between them will be output capabilities. The XS30se will have a nice edge here, close to dual XS15se actually. Do you occasionally enjoy action oriented DVDs at very loud output levels? If so, the single XS30se is the way to go. If, 95% of the time the playback levels are more moderate...say 9-12dB under reference...a single XS15se will be fine.

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Has anyone ordered a sub with the "natural cherry" veneer? I would love to see a picture of that compared to the American cherry.
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Hi, thanks for replying to my thread on Anandtech Tom

My HT room is 20'L x 11'w x 9'h, unfortunately no door yet to single entrance. I am running B&W 805's, B&W HTM4, and B&W CDM 1nt's rear. powered by a Emotiva 200w/ch amp. 120" projection screen. Which PSA sub or subs would you recommend?
In that size room your not going to want anything less than a Triax.
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In that size room your not going to want anything less than a Triax.
Believe it or not we have customers with SMALLER rooms and a Triax. Now they are calling and asking if the new T-18 would perform well with the original Triax. (it absolutely does). That would be some incredible pressurization!

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Believe it or not we have customers with SMALLER rooms and a Triax. Now they are calling and asking if the new T-18 would perform well with the original Triax. (it absolutely does). That would be some incredible pressurization!

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That is definitely not hard to believe. Some people on here have some serious issues. They make me feel sane.
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Soooo....5000 cu. ft. space.....how many sealed PSA 15" drivers do I need to "pressurize" the space??

Got 4 so far...it's not quite enough.
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Hmmmm, my xv15se's suddenly feel inadequate....
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