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Back to the speaker! I still don't think I'm getting the full potential out of my XS30se. I'm pretty sure it's my Yamaha receiver.
Tell us what you've done so far concerning sub setup and we can probably help.
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I have the 2010 and I bet I could max the Bass and the XS30 wouldn't be close to maxing out. I've set it up left+right, front,back, and moneral x2 and still it's weak. My paradigm sub will max out but I think it has a very sensitive amp on it. Moneral has the best bass so far. I've ran the YAPO quite a few times and change the YAPO EQ profile and I just can't get it to slam like it should. I don't like to max the settings for fear of blowing it up, so I haven't done that yet. I'm also trying to fill a giant space with bass so that could be a big factor.

The size of the room is always a factor. However,even more important is the sub placement and the distance between the sub and the seating. Also, if you have a Y split try connecting it to the sub cable and running it to both inputs on the XS30se. That will give you a 6dB increase in the gain structure.

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The size of the room is always a factor. However,even more important is the sub placement and the distance between the sub and the seating. Also, if you have a Y split try connecting it to the sub cable and running it to both inputs on the XS30se. That will give you a 6dB increase in the gain structure.

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I do Tom, and you have seen the pictures of my living room. I am absolutely limited in placement because there is nowhere else to put my subs. I do have a splitter on the sub and i have tried the XS30 by it self with the Paradigm disconnected. The first spot I tried by my front door would not work. I moved the Paradigm to the other side of my Tv and placed the XS30 where the Paradigm was. My living room is an easy 6k sqft and that's not adding the kitchen and the two hallways that are attached. It's almost like my receiver isn't sending a strong enough singnal if that matters? I have run one positon YAPO and 8 postion YAPO. The one position would hardly read the subs at all, as it would error "too far away". It's not like I'm getting no sound at all and it's hard to judge without hearing a XS30 at it's full potential. I have to go on what I hear. I love the speaker! Its top notch, I just don't think the speaker is the problem. I don't have a setup Mic yet or SPL to measure.
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you are running a y cable?

and I think you mean 6k cuft....cause 6k sq feet is almost 3x's the size of my entire house lol

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you are running a y cable?

and I think you mean 6k cuft....cause 6k sq feet is almost 3x's the size of my entire house lol

LOL yea I'm at work eating lunch and trying to type at the same time. Yea I am running a y cable at the sub. My receiver has duel sub outputs.
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Last night my wife came down the stairs and threatened to give away my 3 xs30se's when I am away if I don't turn down volume. Yes, the walls and couch was rumbling, I was having a great time! In my defense, I had the master volume only at -20. Are any of you guys having trouble with your better half? She was complaining about how I am going to lose my hearing if I keep doing this. I tell her that we cannot hear those low frequency but she refuses to listen

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i just get texts from her while she is upstairs lol..

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I do Tom, and you have seen the pictures of my living room. I am absolutely limited in placement because there is nowhere else to put my subs. I do have a splitter on the sub and i have tried the XS30 by it self with the Paradigm disconnected. The first spot I tried by my front door would not work. I moved the Paradigm to the other side of my Tv and placed the XS30 where the Paradigm was. My living room is an easy 6k sqft and that's not adding the kitchen and the two hallways that are attached. It's almost like my receiver isn't sending a strong enough singnal if that matters? I have run one positon YAPO and 8 postion YAPO. The one position would hardly read the subs at all, as it would error "too far away". It's not like I'm getting no sound at all and it's hard to judge without hearing a XS30 at it's full potential. I have to go on what I hear. I love the speaker! Its top notch, I just don't think the speaker is the problem. I don't have a setup Mic yet or SPL to measure.
Oh okay, I wasn't putting your forum name together with your actual name..

Please email me as I just auditioned a little "gain box" I'd like to send you to experiment with. It seems to add a solid 10-12dB with no noticeable increase in the noise floor.

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Last night my wife came down the stairs and threatened to give away my 3 xs30se's when I am away if I don't turn down volume. Yes, the walls and couch was rumbling, I was having a great time! In my defense, I had the master volume only at -20. Are any of you guys having trouble with your better half? She was complaining about how I am going to lose my hearing if I keep doing this. I tell her that we cannot hear those low frequency but she refuses to listen
My wife doesn't care On my receiver -20 turns red on the front panel!! I run mine at -35. My house is a single floor concrete slab though.

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Oh okay, I wasn't putting your forum name together with your actual name..

Please email me as I just auditioned a little "gain box" I'd like to send you to experiment with. It seems to add a solid 10-12dB with no noticeable increase in the noise floor.

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Sure thing Tom. I told you i would help you with whatever you needed.
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I have mine in the 1st floor living room and all our floors are hardwood. I do not think I would have heard even if she called, need to have the phone in vibrate mode in my pyjamas. I think the tipping point was when she came down and said the pictures and the cot were rumbling in our 2nd floor bedroom. I couldn't stop my grin and was asking details on how much they were rumbling although she was visibly angry. I need to move my stuff to the basement. For now, I have the subs hooked to an ir switch that switches off the subs completely until I am ready to turn them on

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My wife doesn't care On my receiver -20 turns red on the front panel!! I run mine at -35. My house is a single floor concrete slab though.

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Last night my wife came down the stairs and threatened to give away my 3 xs30se's when I am away if I don't turn down volume. Yes, the walls and couch was rumbling, I was having a great time! In my defense, I had the master volume only at -20. Are any of you guys having trouble with your better half? She was complaining about how I am going to lose my hearing if I keep doing this. I tell her that we cannot hear those low frequency but she refuses to listen
My wife has given up and just accepts the house rumbling. Lately, when she has her friends over I like to put in the launch scene in Enders Game and play it (at -17), then I'll walk upstairs to hear and see the reactions of everyone in the room. It's childish I know but it's sooooo much fun to introduce people to what real subwoofers can do and it's even more fun to see the expression of shock and awe on their faces. And that's on -17, I was taking it easy on them. Ya gotta love dual XV15s.
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The opening scene of Transformer 4 is pretty loud, it's short though. The bass drops when the alien hits the button to deploy the seeds and then the seeds hitting the ground. Follow that with the Dinosaurs running for some great bass.
I've been using it to test the bass on my new XS30se, and blending in the paradigm.

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Biggest thing i get from auditioning my subs for people is "wow. Its loud but not obnoxious just awesome sounding." Lol
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The last time my brother was in town he said "is that enough bass?". I said no! This was before the XS30se.
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After considering the XS30se for my living room, it has been mentioned that I would be better off with ported. So now I am thinking dual XV15se's. I also listen to music about 50% of the time. Can anyone comment on listening to music with XV15se's?
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After considering the XS30se for my living room, it has been mentioned that I would be better off with ported. So now I am thinking dual XV15se's. I also listen to music about 50% of the time. Can anyone comment on listening to music with XV15se's?
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There are several of is here with multiple xv15se's, I happen to be one of them. I have found them to be great with music, a seamless blend with my mains. They draw no attention to themselves whatsoever. When people are over they don't even know the subs are on when the music is going until I shut them off, that's how seamless it is. Do not take this to mean they are weak, because when I pop in a blu ray and the LFE hits everyone on the block knows the subs are on.

They are some fine ported subs, and only stand out when the source material calls on them. Anything in particular you want to know about them?
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Thanks for the reply! They really do seem like my best choice. What finish do you have? How many?

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The size of the room is always a factor. However,even more important is the sub placement and the distance between the sub and the seating. Also, if you have a Y split try connecting it to the sub cable and running it to both inputs on the XS30se. That will give you a 6dB increase in the gain structure.

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Tom, are you saying to run a regular sub cable from AVR sub out and connect it to a female RCA to two male RCAs and plug them into the subs inputs. Can you do this with dual subs if you have dual AVR sub outputs. Is this advisable, I just use the dual sub outputs on the AVR, one to the left XS30SE and the other to the right XS30SE, two cables one to each sub's LFE input. Am I missing anything by not not using splitters to both inputs on each individual sub? TIA
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Excellent! Keep us posted on how everything turns out. Literally one of the most inexpensive purchases I have made that had the most impact on how my system sounds. We are talking only $25-$30 bucks shipped for the mic stand and adapter from Amazon.

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@raynist , these are all you need, the adapter that comes with the UMIK-1 has a threaded insert in it that comes out and will then fit the end of the boom mic, just in case you didn't know, no need to buy another adapter for the UMIK-1. If you already knew this , sorry.
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Tom, are you saying to run a regular sub cable from AVR sub out and connect it to a female RCA to two male RCAs and plug them into the subs inputs. Can you do this with dual subs if you have dual AVR sub outputs. Is this advisable, I just use the dual sub outputs on the AVR, one to the left XS30SE and the other to the right XS30SE, two cables one to each sub's LFE input. Am I missing anything by not not using splitters to both inputs on each individual sub? TIA
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I don't know about you guys but my dual XS30SEs are providing some excellent tactile feel from 13' away, these subs are actually trying to pressurize my whole house as I have an opening mid left wall that leads to a flight of stairs to the second floor and I went up there during the Terminator Salvation scene when John Connors goes into the pit and stayed up there for that whole scene about 7 minutes and it was unbelieveable, I see why my misses is always shaking her head, I could feel the vibration under my feet through a concrete floor and her candle jars on glass shelves sounded like big tuning forks. My point is I have carpet over concrete and my 2700 cf room will be completely sealed in about two weeks and then the XS30SEs will have two new brothers to play with The convincing element was the Pulse server scene which I heard for the first time, I didn't think the XS30SEs could dig so deep with authority, NO EQ. The speakers (210s) really help too.
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After considering the XS30se for my living room, it has been mentioned that I would be better off with ported. So now I am thinking dual XV15se's. I also listen to music about 50% of the time. Can anyone comment on listening to music with XV15se's?
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I have the duals and I can tell you that they sound great with music. In all honesty they have made my music sound the best it has ever sounded. The subs are tight and very articulate. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them for both music listening as well as HT.
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There are several of is here with multiple xv15se's, I happen to be one of them. I have found them to be great with music, a seamless blend with my mains. They draw no attention to themselves whatsoever. When people are over they don't even know the subs are on when the music is going until I shut them off, that's how seamless it is. Do not take this to mean they are weak, because when I pop in a blu ray and the LFE hits everyone on the block knows the subs are on.

They are some fine ported subs, and only stand out when the source material calls on them. Anything in particular you want to know about them?
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I have the duals and I can tell you that they sound great with music. In all honesty they have made my music sound the best it has ever sounded. The subs are tight and very articulate. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them for both music listening as well as HT.
dual xv15se's here as well. i agree on all points and add that i have increased my HT vs music split since adding the duals. it just gives everything such a smooth yet powerful presentation. don't get me wrong, i still am more heavy on movies, but i thoroughly enjoy kicking back to some tunes more than before. i'm certain that you will not be disappointed so just pull the trigger!
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Thanks for the reply! They really do seem like my best choice. What finish do you have? How many?
I have the standard satin black finish on my two xv15se's. It looks better than pictures indicate and is super tough. I think this is one of the more underrated aspects of PSA, their finish is awesome.

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dual xv15se's here as well. i agree on all points and add that i have increased my HT vs music split since adding the duals. it just gives everything such a smooth yet powerful presentation. don't get me wrong, i still am more heavy on movies, but i thoroughly enjoy kicking back to some tunes more than before. i'm certain that you will not be disappointed so just pull the trigger!
You know, I never really enjoyed listening to music on my home theater before I got these. Since I got these I've listened to more music in four months than I did in the previous seven years.
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Yes you can. I have done it but do not really need the added gain so I removed them. Get a female to dual male y adapter and plug into both inputs on the back of the sub.
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Yes you can. I have done it but do not really need the added gain so I removed them. Get a female to dual male y adapter and plug into both inputs on the back of the sub.
Do this with both subs as I have dual sub outs on the back of my receiver with no detrimental effects? I don't need the gain either but just never thought of doing this, I didn't know it added that amount of gain, what's the gain like, noisy and boomy, seriously, what causes this 6dB gain by using a splitter and why doesn't everybody do it, I would seriously like to know.
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