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The center solution is best for existing structures as it only adds an inch or two to the thickness of the wall. The double decoupled solution requires a 7 - 8 inch thick wall and only works in spaces with adequate room.
Well that's why the right solution (whole double wall) would probably work best And in terms of how hard or easy it would be to do, middle and right solution look about the same. The only caveat to the double wall is space and perhaps money since you can stuff twice the amount of isolation in there.

That being said, I have no experience in the matter and if I had such a wall to build, 7-8" could be a deal breaker so I can fully understand why somebody would go with the middle one.

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Don't forget that load bearing walls cannot have any 2x4s removed for the center solution.
Yeah it amazes me how often we see people messing with load bearing walls. Better leave those alone

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Well that's why the right solution (whole double wall) would probably work best And in terms of how hard or easy it would be to do, middle and right solution look about the same. The only caveat to the double wall is space and perhaps money since you can stuff twice the amount of isolation in there.

That being said, I have no experience in the matter and if I had such a wall to build, 7-8" could be a deal breaker so I can fully understand why somebody would go with the middle one.



Yeah it amazes me how often we see people messing with load bearing walls. Better leave those alone

When I built mine I used Roxul Rockwool between the sheetrock. I could have also used Roxul SafeNSound. One other thing I did was double sheetrock with a layer of Green Glue soundproofing material between. It works very well for everything but bass. Which even commercial movie theaters can't control well. I do have an A/B comparison because I didn't use that configuration on the wall to the garage and you can definitely tell the difference.
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Thanks Guys for the input, either would work in my situation as the opening is 90" wide and 82" high and there are 2" X 8" headers (I think that's what there called) for the top and sides not including the trim, so I'm thinking the 3rd one would work the best. My only concerns as I'm thinking of making a rear wall as well as my room is 30' long and would like to cut that length down to about 22-23' and then I will have plenty of room for all my computer stuff as I have 2 PCs set up with a work station even though I don't work The problem lies in securing the 2 X 4s to my concrete floor which has carpeting over it and I don't know how deep the pipes are under the cement flooring for my heating system. If anyone has knowledge about how deep they installed those water pipes in the old days as my home is 55 years old. I might be able to get a floor plan of the heating system, I know they are metal stud finders available but they are rather expensive.
Anyway on a side note I went on the miniDSP site to confirm my UMIK-1 cal file and now it has both 0 and 90 degree cal files, when did that happen, as prior it was only 0 degree angle of coincidence. Has anyone else found that out? Thanks again guys.
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Thanks Guys for the input, either would work in my situation as the opening is 90" wide and 82" high and there are 2" X 8" headers (I think that's what there called) for the top and sides not including the trim, so I'm thinking the 3rd one would work the best. My only concerns as I'm thinking of making a rear wall as well as my room is 30' long and would like to cut that length down to about 22-23' and then I will have plenty of room for all my computer stuff as I have 2 PCs set up with a work station even though I don't work The problem lies in securing the 2 X 4s to my concrete floor which has carpeting over it and I don't know how deep the pipes are under the cement flooring for my heating system. If anyone has knowledge about how deep they installed those water pipes in the old days as my home is 55 years old. I might be able to get a floor plan of the heating system, I know they are metal stud finders available but they are rather expensive.
Anyway on a side note I went on the miniDSP site to confirm my UMIK-1 cal file and now it has both 0 and 90 degree cal files, when did that happen, as prior it was only 0 degree angle of coincidence. Has anyone else found that out? Thanks again guys.
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Yep Jeff, I went on yesterday to get my calibration file and suddenly there was the 0 and the 90 degree calibrations available where as earlier there was only the one file. Sometime in this past week they must have added it.
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Dual PSA XV15se for sale, $725 each. $1400 for the pair. Southwest PA. Relocating home theater to a dedicated space and starting over, maybe DIY. 4.5 years left on warranty.
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Besr are you shipping or local picup?
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I would be willing to ship if someone were willing to cover the cost. I have all the packaging.
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^^wish you were closer!
I'm closer if you want to step up to XV30s:

PSA XV30 and XV30f (non se models)
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I'm closer if you want to step up to XV30s:

PSA XV30 and XV30f (non se models)
Unfortunately I think they XV30 is a little too big for my space. I saw that it is not listed on the PSA website any longer. Does the XV30 come with the base?
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I ordered an XV15SE that I'm receiving Tuesday. Do you guys think it will work good in my 2,000 cubic foot room? I would like to get another in the future for duals. It's for 70% movies and 30% music.
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Unfortunately I think they XV30 is a little too big for my space. I saw that it is not listed on the PSA website any longer. Does the XV30 come with the base?
Yes, the standard model came with the base. Without the base it is about an inch lower so it fit better under my projection screen. The feet are the same ones the XV15 uses.
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I ordered an XV15SE that I'm receiving Tuesday. Do you guys think it will work good in my 2,000 cubic foot room? I would like to get another in the future for duals. It's for 70% movies and 30% music.
I think an xv15se will CRUSH a room that size. I have two xv15se's in a 6000 cu ft room and they do not disappoint
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Yep Jeff, I went on yesterday to get my calibration file and suddenly there was the 0 and the 90 degree calibrations available where as earlier there was only the one file. Sometime in this past week they must have added it.
This is curious. The same with my mic. The problem is, the calibration files are supposed to be individual (i.e. for a single mic only, linked to the serial number). But I have my mic since... well more than a year ago. I doubt the 90-degrees measurements for building the calibration file were performed at the time (or else we would have it since years ago), so this file is either common to all UMIK-1's (e.g. an average of several mics) or it's a correction applied to the 0-degree calibration file.

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I think an xv15se will CRUSH a room that size. I have two xv15se's in a 6000 cu ft room and they do not disappoint
That's good to hear, I bought PSA for a few reasons. The price was right, with free shipping and no tax. Also the sub isn't overly big which I like and also it's American made. I don't get all the PSA haters saying it's a huge weakness only having one 4 inch port. Half the people that have these variable tuning subs run with 1 port plugged so guess what they have one 4 or 4.5 inch port anyway unless you're talking about SVS.
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This is curious. The same with my mic. The problem is, the calibration files are supposed to be individual (i.e. for a single mic only, linked to the serial number). But I have my mic since... well more than a year ago. I doubt the 90-degrees measurements for building the calibration file were performed at the time (or else we would have it since years ago), so this file is either common to all UMIK-1's (e.g. an average of several mics) or it's a correction applied to the 0-degree calibration file.

I'll try to investigate.
That is interesting and you bring up a good point.

My mic is new but the first time I downloaded the calibration file there was only the 90 degree file available. Five days later (due to a computer problem) I had to go back in and down load it a 2nd time, this time there was both the 0 and the 90 available. When I saw it I said "Where did that come from?"
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That's good to hear, I bought PSA for a few reasons. The price was right, with free shipping and no tax. Also the sub isn't overly big which I like and also it's American made. I don't get all the PSA haters saying it's a huge weakness only having one 4 inch port. Half the people that have these variable tuning subs run with 1 port plugged so guess what they have one 4 or 4.5 inch port anyway unless you're talking about SVS.
I think you'll love this sub. My only question is why did you go ported for a room that small? Probably could have had some great room gain with a nice sealed sub.
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I think you'll love this sub. My only question is why did you go ported for a room that small? Probably could have had some great room gain with a nice sealed sub.
IMO, its because a ported sub is affected by room gain just as much as a sealed sub. It will hold a substantial output advantage around tune no matter the room size. Just saying, if you want very strong output 15-30 Hz for movies, ported gets you there a lot cheaper than sealed, regardless of room size. Just my opinion.
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I used to have an even smaller room and I had ported and sealed in there and I just liked the ported more. That's just my opinion though.
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IMO, its because a ported sub is affected by room gain just as much as a sealed sub. It will hold a substantial output advantage around tune no matter the room size. Just saying, if you want very strong output 15-30 Hz for movies, ported gets you there a lot cheaper than sealed, regardless of room size. Just my opinion.
This is true. Now that I have all that 20 hz impact I've started to wonder what I am missing below it haha. First world problems I guess.

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I used to have an even smaller room and I had ported and sealed in there and I just liked the ported more. That's just my opinion though.
In that case I can't imagine you not enjoying the xv15se. I've always tended towards ported subs as well, and it's probably for the reasons bear mentioned. They just seem to have more impact to me, though I admit I've never heard a quality sealed sub in a proper environment.
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If one were to compare the XV15SE to SVS's offerings, where would it fall? I was thinking somewhere between the PB2000 and PB12-Plus?
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yes should do well. I have 3 in a room slightly larger ....2400^3
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If one were to compare the XV15SE to SVS's offerings, where would it fall? I was thinking somewhere between the PB2000 and PB12-Plus?
Until it's measured by Josh Ricci there are those that will say that we don't know for sure, but I would argue that it's somewhere between the pb12+ and pb13u... It also depends on which tune you want to run for the svs subs.

I believe tom posted in house measurements for the xv15se somewhere in this thread, which showed comparable numbers to the pb12+ from ~20-40 hz, then the xv15se surpassed it from ~50hz and up (compared to 20hz tune on svs). I think it might have equaled or even surpassed the pb13u from 60-100 hz but I can't remember for sure. This is all based on memory from when I bought mine in July.

Maybe Tom can repost the numbers?

Edit: this is not even mentioning the secondary sound characteristics (group delay, waterfall, etc), in which the xv15se exceeds all ported SVS designs. The xv15se performs pretty close to a sealed alignment in these for a ported sub.
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Hey guys, the two cal files if I'm not mistaken seem to be the same, I have to investigate it more myself. I can't imagine originally having a 0 degree cal file and then all of a sudden you now have both a 0 and 90 from the original mic
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Until it's measured by Josh Ricci there are those that will say that we don't know for sure, but I would argue that it's somewhere between the pb12+ and pb13u... It also depends on which tune you want to run for the svs subs.

I believe tom posted in house measurements for the xv15se somewhere in this thread, which showed comparable numbers to the pb12+ from ~20-40 hz, then the xv15se surpassed it from ~50hz and up (compared to 20hz tune on svs). I think it might have equaled or even surpassed the pb13u from 60-100 hz but I can't remember for sure. This is all based on memory from when I bought mine in July.

Maybe Tom can repost the numbers?

Edit: this is not even mentioning the secondary sound characteristics (group delay, waterfall, etc), in which the xv15se exceeds all ported SVS designs. The xv15se performs pretty close to a sealed alignment in these for a ported sub.
Here's the thing about the XV15SE also, it has less cabinet volume than all the subs that it competes with performance wise. It becomes a real win for PSA when you factor this in!

PSA XV15SE= 8,602 cubic inches

HSU VTF-3 MK4 = 9,031
HSU VTF-3 MK5 = 8,901
HSU VTF-15H = 11,700 (36% more cabinet volume!)
Outlaw LFM1-EX = 8,772
SVS PB12-PLUS = 10,949 (27% more cabinet volume!)
Reaction Audio PV-15x = 11,484 (33.5% more cabinet volume!)

By the way I ordered my XV15SE on Friday, it shipped the same day with an estimated delivery date of Tuesday but it has since been updated on the Fedex website to be delivered today! That's some very fast shipping, awesome!
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^Exactly!! It is actually slightly smaller then some of the competitions 12" subs yet keeps up quite well with the bigger 15" subs....
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Hey guys, the two cal files if I'm not mistaken seem to be the same, I have to investigate it more myself. I can't imagine originally having a 0 degree cal file and then all of a sudden you now have both a 0 and 90 from the original mic
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The start of the files are similar but they begin to differ substantially after 1 kHz. Here's a plot of mine:



It looks like the 90-degrees files were auto-generated from the 0-degree ones. They have a second comment line stating:

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My XV15SE has arrived, going to hook it up shortly.
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I ordered an XV15SE that I'm receiving Tuesday. Do you guys think it will work good in my 2,000 cubic foot room? I would like to get another in the future for duals. It's for 70% movies and 30% music.
I have two running in 2500 cuft and they work great. I only had one for about six months and it did fine in the space, the only real reason I went with duals was because of the smoothing effect on the bass throughout the listening positions (but I like having the extra power as well). I think you'll be very happy with your XV15se.
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