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Regarding the minidsp, would 1 be able to use 1 mini dsp for dual subs? Would it go next to my receiver?
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Kind of OT, but it Seems like most on here run a receiver with xt32...no love for anthem with ARC?

On another note, anyone know how many xs30se's equal a triax? I like my xs30 but am curious on how much "better" a triax would be.
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I bought a MRX-710 a couple weeks ago and it is the real deal. I was blown away by how well it performed!
And it's very customizable too, very flexible in what frequency range you can room correct.
too bad it doesn't have atmos. I'd be all over it
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too bad it doesn't have atmos. I'd be all over it

Yeah from talking with Anthem it doesn't sound like that'll be happening anytime soon. Maybe in two years or so. Plus there seems to be a bit of a sound format war going on now that DTS is about to announce X surround at CES. So now there's going to be Atmos, Auro and DTS:X. And Atmos and Auro both have different speaker configurations. So I'll gladly sit this one out and wait to see how things play out with all of the different formats.
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Kind of OT, but it Seems like most on here run a receiver with xt32...no love for anthem with ARC?

On another note, anyone know how many xs30se's equal a triax? I like my xs30 but am curious on how much "better" a triax would be.
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Yeah from talking with Anthem it doesn't sound like that'll be happening anytime soon. Maybe in two years or so. Plus there seems to be a bit of a sound format war going on now that DTS is about to announce X surround at CES. So now there's going to be Atmos, Auro and DTS:X. And Atmos and Auro both have different speaker configurations. So I'll gladly sit this one out and wait to see how things play out with all of the different formats.
Yeah that's the smart move. If I didn't get a new ATMOS avr for virtually nothing. I would have waited too. But now after 3 months of movies with dsu and atmos there is no way I'll go back without it. So 2 years before anthem uses it (whichever format wins if that is even a winnable thing) will be about right for me to upgrade
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Would you guys suggest tweaking my distance settings after xt32 calibration? I tried to adjust the audyssey settings the other day but my Denon said my distance measurements were invalid.

I have both xs15's attached with rocketfish wireless hubs and audyssey set one at 31 feet and the other at 51 feet (even though they are both only 8 and 4 feet away respectfully).
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Would you guys suggest tweaking my distance settings after xt32 calibration? I tried to adjust the audyssey settings the other day but my Denon said my distance measurements were invalid.
Not unless you have the ability to measure your response (REW).

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I have both xs15's attached with rocketfish wireless hubs and audyssey set one at 31 feet and the other at 51 feet (even though they are both only 8 and 4 feet away respectfully).
WOW! I didn't think the Denon's would adjust farther than 30'.

I know that the wireless sub kits can add some delay to the signal, but I had no idea it was that much. I know that @basshead81 uses one of those, maybe he will chime in on this.



Do not adjust your sub distance to the actual physical distance. The distance setting in the AVR is actually a delay setting that delays the signal so that that the sound from the speakers all reach the MLP at the same time and takes into account the speakers/subs interaction with your room, and in the case of the sub, any delay caused by DSP (or wireless transmitters). In your case, the wireless kit is somehow screwing up Audyssey's distance calculations beyond the AVRs ability to correct them.
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Not unless you have the ability to measure your response (REW).



WOW! I didn't think the Denon's would adjust farther than 30'.

I know that the wireless sub kits can add some delay to the signal, but I had no idea it was that much. I know that @basshead81 uses one of those, maybe he will chime in on this.



Do not adjust your sub distance to the actual physical distance. The distance setting in the AVR is actually a delay setting that delays the signal so that that the sound from the speakers all reach the MLP at the same time and takes into account the speakers/subs interaction with your room, and in the case of the sub, any delay caused by DSP (or wireless transmitters). In your case, the wireless kit is somehow screwing up Audyssey's distance calculations beyond the AVRs ability to correct them.
Uh oh - that's a concern!
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On another note, anyone know how many xs30se's equal a triax? I like my xs30 but am curious on how much "better" a triax would be.

I asked Tom the same question recently, and this is what he said:

The Triax is equal to dual XS30se in the mid and upper bass, but it takes about 2.5 of the XS30se to match the Triax in the 5hz to 25hz range....actually close to three..

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This was compared to the older Triax, not the newest version.
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I asked Tom the same question recently, and this is what he said:



The Triax is equal to dual XS30se in the mid and upper bass, but it takes about 2.5 of the XS30se to match the Triax in the 5hz to 25hz range....actually close to three..



Tom Vodhanel




This was compared to the older Triax, not the newest version.

Does the new Triax-18 have more output compared to the original Triax in the 5-25hz range? I would think it has more output in the upper range but wasn't sure about the really low stuff.
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Yeah from talking with Anthem it doesn't sound like that'll be happening anytime soon. Maybe in two years or so. Plus there seems to be a bit of a sound format war going on now that DTS is about to announce X surround at CES. So now there's going to be Atmos, Auro and DTS:X. And Atmos and Auro both have different speaker configurations. So I'll gladly sit this one out and wait to see how things play out with all of the different formats.
Looks like Anthem's jumping on board with DTS X in 2015;

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-latest-industry-news/1828778-dts-x-immersive-sound-format-due-march-2015-a.html

(Sorry for being off topic)
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On another note, anyone know how many xs30se's equal a triax? I like my xs30 but am curious on how much "better" a triax would be.

I asked Tom the same question recently, and this is what he said:

The Triax is equal to dual XS30se in the mid and upper bass, but it takes about 2.5 of the XS30se to match the Triax in the 5hz to 25hz range....actually close to three..

Tom Vodhanel


This was compared to the older Triax, not the newest version.
Thanks for the info!
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Wow, I missed two days and found myself three pages behind. You guys have been busy the last couple of days.

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Not unless you have the ability to measure your response (REW).



WOW! I didn't think the Denon's would adjust farther than 30'.

I know that the wireless sub kits can add some delay to the signal, but I had no idea it was that much. I know that @basshead81 uses one of those, maybe he will chime in on this.



Do not adjust your sub distance to the actual physical distance. The distance setting in the AVR is actually a delay setting that delays the signal so that that the sound from the speakers all reach the MLP at the same time and takes into account the speakers/subs interaction with your room, and in the case of the sub, any delay caused by DSP (or wireless transmitters). In your case, the wireless kit is somehow screwing up Audyssey's distance calculations beyond the AVRs ability to correct them.
yes the rocket fish introduces about 30ms delay to the signal chain. so basically room correction adds around 30ft to what the number would be wired. Ypao sets my subs around 50ft.
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Does the new Triax-18 have more output compared to the original Triax in the 5-25hz range? I would think it has more output in the upper range but wasn't sure about the really low stuff.
I was told 1.5db across the board
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Go out and buy equalizer. Not only a badass flick. But some insane bass moments! Great movie

Happy new year!
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Looks like Anthem's jumping on board with DTS X in 2015;

DTS:X Immersive Sound Format Due March 2015

(Sorry for being off topic)

Dammit, now do I return my MRX-710 or worry about it next year?.....LOL
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Hey guys, new owner of a XS15-SE here and overall I'm pretty happy with my purchase. Just a quick question though, has anyone found the RCA connectors to be loose on their unit? I plugged my existing Monoprice Sub cable and it feels loose, it's this something I should let PSA know?

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Go out and buy equalizer. Not only a badass flick. But some insane bass moments! Great movie

Happy new year!

Ooh started watching it last night but only made it a few minutes. Amazon though, not sure how good the sound will be.
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It's FINALLY 2015! I can officially say I'M BUYING A SUBWOOFER THIS YEAR!!!!!

Happy New Year!

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Hey guys, new owner of a XS15-SE here and overall I'm pretty happy with my purchase. Just a quick question though, has anyone found the RCA connectors to be loose on their unit? I plugged my existing Monoprice Sub cable and it feels loose, it's this something I should let PSA know?
i had that issue too. u can fix it yourself or chat with tom for solutions.
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Hey guys, new owner of a XS15-SE here and overall I'm pretty happy with my purchase. Just a quick question though, has anyone found the RCA connectors to be loose on their unit? I plugged my existing Monoprice Sub cable and it feels loose, it's this something I should let PSA know?
I would suggest getting a good quality cable from Blue Jeans Cable. I have had two "premium" Monoprice cables that were bad and would short out when just barely touching them, causing very loud "boomp" sounds from the subs. Also, the much higher quality BJC cables use much better ends which have a stronger grip on the connection.
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I would suggest getting a good quality cable from Blue Jeans Cable. I have had two "premium" Monoprice cables that were bad and would short out when just barely touching them, causing very loud "boomp" sounds from the subs. Also, the much higher quality BJC cables use much better ends which have a stronger grip on the connection.
Hi Bear - happy new year! Which specific cable would you recommend? Would the lc-1 sufficient for the xs15se?
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Hi Bear - happy new year! Which specific cable would you recommend? Would the lc-1 sufficient for the xs15se?
Those are the cables i got from them. I had three made, one from my AVR to my miniDSP, then one each from there to each sub. Pretty sure I paid less than $100 for all three and the quality is exceptional, and of course I got the lengths I wanted. One was quite long...25 or 30' if I recall. They are very flexible(compared to the Monoprice junk I had) so routing around corners works well also.
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Hi All,

Happy New Year! I spent the last few days trying to find the best response for my dual XS15se's - the graph I attached is probably the "best" that I could get in my room.

I plan on some EQ for the sub (minidsp or berhinger) to correct for the peaks.

Any idea on how to correct the 10db 70hz null? I tried playing around with the gain/phase/location etc. All still results in the 70hz null. Even unplugged the mains with no real difference. Should I even be concerned about the null? I don't know what I'm missing (literally) .
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That's a pretty decent looking graph you have there. Moving the subs around would be the first and best option to get rid of that dip but you might find that it gets rid of that 70 Hz dip only to have a new one show up at some other Hz.

The other option might be to move the MLP a little. I found that if I could move my MLP forward two feet I would be pretty flat from 20 to 80 Hz (sadly I really can't move my MLP).

Finally if you get the minidsp, you could boost that dip a little (5 dB would work pretty well). Since all you need is a small bump you most likely won't hurt your headroom too much. Basshead and others could tell you a lot more about the effects of using the minidsp to bump up a dip (in fact if you go back five to ten pages you will find some good posts discussing the topic in good detail).
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What's your crossover set at? Looks like a sub distance tweak candidate. Try first raising the xover a bit higher
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How close can the back of the XV15se be to the wall?

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How close can the back of the XV15se be to the wall?
As close as the cable will allow it to be ....2-3" is fine, as long as the port is not right up against the wall.
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What's your crossover set at? Looks like a sub distance tweak candidate. Try first raising the xover a bit higher
It's set at 80hz. I can't seem to tweak the distance as I'm using a wireless sub kit and I'm already set at 31 and 48 feet! I don't think the denon allows me to change over 30 feet.
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Try 90hz for xover. Just to see
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What's your crossover set at? Looks like a sub distance tweak candidate. Try first raising the xover a bit higher
I made a few changes to the distances and my Denon defaulted to the maximum for my subs, but after some tweaking of the phase adjustment on my nearfield sub, I think I got a decent even response (line in blue below). Let me know if you guys might see anything that should be fixed (or what I should/could do with EQ)!

by the way, I left my xover at 80hz.

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