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And to AnnapolisSony, that is a beautiful looking media room you have there. Very nicely done.
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Simplified REW Setup and Use (USB Mic & HDMI Connection) Including Measurement Techniques and How To Interpret Graphs


You can try this Annapolis, most people using REW started here. Post 275, that is the latest updated version 3.92
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Is it ridiculous to say that two XS30se's equal one Submersive?

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Is it ridiculous to say that two XS30se's equal one Submersive?
Not at all, two XS30se's most likely have more output then a single SubM HP. Actually the XS30 was the very reason why I didn't end up getting a SubM.
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AnnapolisSony, there is a REW GUIDE 101 that has everything to get you going in setting up and using REW. Its probably in this thread somewhere. Or maybe someone still has the link they can post so you can download it.


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Is it ridiculous to say that two XS30se's equal one Submersive?
Not at all, two XS30se's most likely have more output then a single SubM HP. Actually the XS30 was the very reason why I didn't end up getting a SubM.
With the deep bass at 10hz I just love my xs30's :smiley:
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Hey anyone in here use a sub y connector to utilize both inputs of there subs I just bought a pair of serpents from better cables
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I do. My Yamaha seems to have a low signal issue or something. I need to use a Y to get satisfactory output.

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Thanks Red99. It really worked out well. In the 2 photos below you can see the door that gives me access to a small 7'x4' equipment room" where I have access the back of my DIY rack. The 2nd photo also shows how my room opens up a bit on that right side which is what I was most concerned about when recently adding my 2nd XV-15 (the photos were taken months ago before I added the 2nd sub).





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Hey anyone in here use a sub y connector to utilize both inputs of there subs I just bought a pair of serpents from better cables
yes I use two on my xs-30's it is needed with minidsp for me to avoid clipping signal

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Hey anyone in here use a sub y connector to utilize both inputs of there subs I just bought a pair of serpents from better cables
yes I use two on my xs-30's it is needed with minidsp for me to avoid clipping signal
So did you find urself turning gain down a bit and did you change ur crossover. I was using the LFE input and using 150hz crossover so now we could change crossover to 50 or 80 correct.
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yes gain went down but no to the xover

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yes gain went down but no to the xover

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So you left at 150hz ?
My opinion it sounds best at 80 hz
Thoughts or reason why you choose to leave at 150hz
I'm curious
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Using a y-splitter to both sub inputs only accomplishes one thing - it raises the input gain by 6db. It doesn't effect your crossover at all.

You should leave the crossover on the sub set as high as it will go (or disabled, if your sub has that option). It's always best to do all bass management in the AVR.
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So you left at 150hz ?
My opinion it sounds best at 80 hz
Thoughts or reason why you choose to leave at 150hz
I'm curious
I'm confused. I never had my xover at 150. Are you talking about the lpf on the sub amp? That's always max out and should stay that way.
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So you left at 150hz ?
My opinion it sounds best at 80 hz
Thoughts or reason why you choose to leave at 150hz
I'm curious
I'm confused. I never had my xover at 150. Are you talking about the lpf on the sub amp? That's always max out and should stay that way.
Yes I was referring to xover at amp plate. Thanks for your help I was just wondering if that was an option now by running the y spitter.
Yes I do have that option I have dual xv30f up front with dual xs30 in rear

Thx for your input also Alan
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You mixed XVs with XSs?? How's that working out for you? Do you have any measurements you could show us?

Why would using a y-splitter effect where you should set the crossover?
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I Thought it was extremely difficult to mix sealed with ported. Why not go with four of the same?

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Hey guys,

I got a bit of quality time with the new dual T-18s and my XT32 AVR last weekend.

First of all - XT32 was not quite as much of an upgrade as I thought it would be (from XT) when looking at the graphs. However, this could very well be a good thing...it just means my system/room is not in need of as much EQ as I thought...good, right?

If you want to see some XT/XT32 comparison graphs, you can see 'em here.

Since the graphs didn't show very much of a difference, I didn't expect much to change in the listening experience....and the change was subtle, but no doubt a change for the better. To try and quantify it, I'd have to say the overall sound is about 10-15% better.

Specific things I've noticed:
  • Front stage (R/L/C) seem to have a better timbre match now...sounds panning from L or R to center have much less of a change in timbre than before.
  • I can run a lower crossover (80hz instead of the 100hz I was running with XT) with no loss in mid-bass/midrange.
  • Bass sounds "smoother" with more "detail", also is less localizable ( mostly due to the lower crossover, I'm sure). The bass now sounds like it's mostly coming from the front stage, as opposed to all around me (as it was with XT).
  • The overall sound is less "harsh" but not dull at all. With XT, I had to always turn on Cinema re-EQ...with XT32 it's not needed at all.


Just wanted to update you guys since I said I would.


Oh, and BTW, here's the max compression sweeps for the dual T-18s + XT32. Yes, I know these are smoothed...I did that on purpose to be able to see the compression better.

As you can see, I don't start compressing until 118db, and then only below about 17hz.

These are LFE only, Audyssey on:

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Looks great Alan! And yes. Not much change means things are very good from the get go in your room!

You have a great avr there with the best ARC in its class. So now it's time to sit back and enjoy.

Let us know how the heavy hitters go while cranking it!
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Hey guys,

I got a bit of quality time with the new dual T-18s and my XT32 AVR last weekend.

First of all - XT32 was not quite as much of an upgrade as I thought it would be (from XT) when looking at the graphs. However, this could very well be a good thing...it just means my system/room is not in need of as much EQ as I thought...good, right?

If you want to see some XT/XT32 comparison graphs, you can see 'em here.

Since the graphs didn't show very much of a difference, I didn't expect much to change in the listening experience....and the change was subtle, but no doubt a change for the better. To try and quantify it, I'd have to say the overall sound is about 10-15% better.

Specific things I've noticed:
  • Front stage (R/L/C) seem to have a better timbre match now...sounds panning from L or R to center have much less of a change in timbre than before.
  • I can run a lower crossover (80hz instead of the 100hz I was running with XT) with no loss in mid-bass/midrange.
  • Bass sounds "smoother" with more "detail", also is less localizable ( mostly due to the lower crossover, I'm sure). The bass now sounds like it's mostly coming from the front stage, as opposed to all around me (as it was with XT).
  • The overall sound is less "harsh" but not dull at all. With XT, I had to always turn on Cinema re-EQ...with XT32 it's not needed at all.

Just wanted to update you guys since I said I would.


Oh, and BTW, here's the max compression sweeps for the dual T-18s + XT32. Yes, I know these are smoothed...I did that on purpose to be able to see the compression better.

As you can see, I don't start compressing until 118db, and then only below about 17hz.

These are LFE only, Audyssey on:

Graph looks really good Alan! Sorry the print in the picture you posted looks incredibly small, that's 1/6th smoothing right? I'm sure it is but just wanted to know for sure, could you post the same measurement with 1/12th smoothing applied?
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Graph looks really good Alan! Sorry the print in the picture you posted looks incredibly small, that's 1/6th smoothing right? I'm sure it is but just wanted to know for sure, could you post the same measurement with 1/12th smoothing applied?
Sure.

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AnnapolisSony here is a direct link to the "Getting Started with REW" guide.

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Alan, what about the distortion level graph for the highest sweep at 14hz and 10hz?
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You mixed XVs with XSs?? How's that working out for you? Do you have any measurements you could show us?

Why would using a y-splitter effect where you should set the crossover?
Someone had suggested that to me about the xovers
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I Thought it was extremely difficult to mix sealed with ported. Why not go with four of the same?
A bit of s long story I originally last xmas bought dual xs30's. Well about 4 months ago I found a xv30 on eBay for $100 and had it shipped from New York for $237. I get this sub and it's like brand new. So last xmas when I bought mine my buddy bought dual xv30f subs. Well he wanted to trade me my xs30 subs for his xv30f subs so I match all ported so I did and gave him $300 cash. Well now he was not happy with the output he had with the xv30f subs and asked me if I wanted my xs30 subs back with in trade giving him the xv30 and a pair of def tech BPVX surrounds and I said yes. That's how I ended up with ported and sealed. Btw yes I did buy a xv30 for $100 :smiley: the guy was a house renovator it was left in a house he was working on and did not know what he had.
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A bit of s long story I originally last xmas bought dual xs30's. Well about 4 months ago I found a xv30 on eBay for $100 and had it shipped from New York for $237. I get this sub and it's like brand new. So last xmas when I bought mine my buddy bought dual xv30f subs. Well he wanted to trade me my xs30 subs for his xv30f subs so I match all ported so I did and gave him $300 cash. Well now he was not happy with the output he had with the xv30f subs and asked me if I wanted my xs30 subs back with in trade giving him the xv30 and a pair of def tech BPVX surrounds and I said yes. That's how I ended up with ported and sealed. Btw yes I did buy a xv30 for $100 :smiley: the guy was a house renovator it was left in a house he was working on and did not know what he had.
Deal of the century!!! XV30 for $100, UNREAL
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You mixed XVs with XSs?? How's that working out for you? Do you have any measurements you could show us?

Why would using a y-splitter effect where you should set the crossover?
And as far as measurements I have not learned how to do that yet :-(
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Yes I prayed the deal was still going to go thru lol turns out the guy was a super good guy he even made a wood crate for it to be shipped in held up very well all across the U.S. Until it got to Cali and got held up for possible drug smuggling so the authorities thought. Evidently the owner smoked pot in his house so was imbedded in the sub I guess. So they had to take off amp plate and look inside lol
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Alan, what about the distortion level graph for the highest sweep at 14hz and 10hz?
Distortion at 14hz...I think the 10hz would obviously be worse.




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