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I need to do a count today but we may be 100% sold out on the first run of V1500s

We're switching some scheduled builds for the 3rd and 4th weeks of March to get more V1500 cabinets here to minimize the length of any outage.

The S1500s are definitely sold out for the first production run.

Same story---we're switching cabinet production to minimize the length of outage.

I'll try to update everyone asap*(this afternoon).

EDIT, we have 1 or 2 of the S1500 and V1500 left on the first run. Just made a formal count of the actual orders. We have a couple "hold for me" requests but I have let those know an order must be placed.

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So Tom, did my order make the 1st V1500 run? I ordered duals yesterday--GS. Thanks.
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Well my long journey to my first subwoofer is finally over. Just placed my order for a V1500!!!!!

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I just placed an order for an xv15se. I'm going to demo that for awhile and if its not enough or I'm not satisfied then I will send it back and order up a v1500. I'm pretty excited. Its been awhile since I had a real sub in my system so I'm ready for this. Tom V is awesome BTW. He's as good as everyone says. Should be in my home by Friday. Woohoo! I can hardly wait.
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Well my long journey to my first subwoofer is finally over. Just placed my order for a V1500!!!!!
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I just placed an order for an xv15se. I'm going to demo that for awhile and if its not enough or I'm not satisfied then I will send it back and order up a v1500. I'm pretty excited. Its been awhile since I had a real sub in my system so I'm ready for this. Tom V is awesome BTW. He's as good as everyone says. Should be in my home by Friday. Woohoo! I can hardly wait.
Congrats to both of you. Hopefully weather won't slow them from getting delivered on time.
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Congrats to both of you. Hopefully weather won't slow them from getting delivered on time.
Gonna be a couple of weeks before the V1500 ships. Part of the reason I went ahead and ordered instead of waiting. I just managed to get in on the First production run! Too bad I didn't act fast enough to get a free Umik.
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That's actually why I decided to order the xv15se instead. If I had to wait for the v1500 anyways I figured I might as well audition the xv15se and maybe I'll be completely satisfied with that. by the time the v1500 sub's are ready to ship I'll have had the chance to demo the xv15 for awhile and if I need more I'll send it back and order up a v1500. I'm.hoping I won't even want to order the v1500. I guess time will.tell.
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That's actually why I decided to order the xv15se instead. If I had to wait for the v1500 anyways I figured I might as well audition the xv15se and maybe I'll be completely satisfied with that. by the time the v1500 sub's are ready to ship I'll have had the chance to demo the xv15 for awhile and if I need more I'll send it back and order up a v1500. I'm.hoping I won't even want to order the v1500. I guess time will.tell.
Problem is most if not all of us always want more even if you satisfy with the xv, you will be wondering what the v1500 will bring. From the spec, the V1500 will dig deeper beside having a little higher output and I always prefer the deeper extension over the 1-2db extra output, especially if one does not listen louder than -15MV (my norm level). If I was you, I would order the V1500 now so that you will have both subs to compare during the free trial/return period and decide if it worths the $150 price difference. Once you hear what deep extension can do for your movie watching experience, I bet you will keep the v1500.
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Problem is most if not all of us always want more even if you satisfy with the xv, you will be wondering what the v1500 will bring. From the spec, the V1500 will dig deeper beside having a little higher output and I always prefer the deeper extension over the 1-2db extra output, especially if one does not listen louder than -15MV (my norm level). If I was you, I would order the V1500 now so that you will have both subs to compare during the free trial/return period and decide if it worths the $150 price difference. Once you hear what deep extension can do for your movie watching experience, I bet you will keep the v1500.
Good points and a good idea.

Of course that's assuming his room allows for the deep extension to be experienced at the MLP. I found out the hard way that a room's set up can nullify the lower extension of your subwoofer(s) at the MLP. Luckily REW revealed the flaw in my room configuration and allowed me to move things around until I was able to smooth things out. But you are right, most of us have upgrade-itis pretty bad and we always ask the question….. "What if"

Having said that, a lot of us do have the XV15se and find it to be an excellent sub and up until a few weeks ago there was no V1500. So I think his plan is solid, if he gets it and finds it does the job then no need to upgrade.
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True. Good point. I just don't have the funds to order up both at once. Other wise I would. I know what you mean about always wanting more. But i am coming from an acoustech pl-200 so I should be plenty happy for awhile. I have a feeling that I will end up ordering the v1500, but I gotta give the xv15se a shot.
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Guys this is so frustrating (REW) on my laptop I got as far as the preferences in REW and it wouldn't let me select UMIK-1 as the input device, only choices were HD audio stereo input 1 and 2. I clicked ASIO preference and all I got was realtek HD audio, no mic or HDMI. That was on my 8.1 laptop, I'm going to try my PC now. Everything looked good after all the configurations in Windows and even did a voice test with the UMIK-1 and saved it and it worked. There has to be something wrong as I opened REW there was an icon saying UMIK detected and I never saw it again. I'll be back.............................................. ........
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Guys this is so frustrating (REW) on my laptop I got as far as the preferences in REW and it wouldn't let me select UMIK-1 as the input device, only choices were HD audio stereo input 1 and 2. I clicked ASIO preference and all I got was realtek HD audio, no mic or HDMI. That was on my 8.1 laptop, I'm going to try my PC now. Everything looked good after all the configurations in Windows and even did a voice test with the UMIK-1 and saved it and it worked. There has to be something wrong as I opened REW there was an icon saying UMIK detected and I never saw it again. I'll be back.............................................. ........
Jeff I had that problem with the lap top I was using and IIRC I had to unplug the UMIK, exit REW and turn off the computer. Then restart the computer, then run REW and plug the mic back in and it reappeared in preferences.
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Problem is most if not all of us always want more even if you satisfy with the xv, you will be wondering what the v1500 will bring. From the spec, the V1500 will dig deeper beside having a little higher output and I always prefer the deeper extension over the 1-2db extra output, especially if one does not listen louder than -15MV (my norm level). If I was you, I would order the V1500 now so that you will have both subs to compare during the free trial/return period and decide if it worths the $150 price difference. Once you hear what deep extension can do for your movie watching experience, I bet you will keep the v1500.
You could be right. Idk though since I have dual xv15se's and no interest in spending the extra $150 each for what the v1500 offers over them. It digs what, 2hz deeper or something? I think he has a decent chance of being like me in this scenario lol.

If the xv15se doesn't satisfy him I don't think the v1500 will either, and the difference is small enough that the "what-if's" are really pretty small I think.

Will be interesting to see what happens though
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As someone who just went through the decision between XV15se vs V1500, I'll chime in.. I was considering dual XV15se or dual V1500, but since I found out that 1 of them will be roughly equal 2-3 of my current sub (SVS 20-39CS+), I ended up with a single V1500.
For an extra $150, I would get the following:
- minidsp (which I think I would need anyway if I decide to go dual sub)
- lower extensions (16 hz vs 21 hz)
- 2-3db more output
- ICE amp
I thought it was worth the $150 for those things. Now that the minidsp promotion is over, it's a little more difficult to decide.
The only drawback w/ the V1500 is the look, but I never have a forward facing sub before and my wife approves it.

Besides, since I talked myself out of getting a dual now, I save at least $700 already..
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You could be right. Idk though since I have dual xv15se's and no interest in spending the extra $150 each for what the v1500 offers over them. It digs what, 2hz deeper or something? I think he has a decent chance of being like me in this scenario lol.

If the xv15se doesn't satisfy him I don't think the v1500 will either, and the difference is small enough that the "what-if's" are really pretty small I think.

Will be interesting to see what happens though
the V1500 digs a half octave lower. It is +/-3db @ 16hz vs the XV15se +/-3db @ 21hz. Also the roll off is not as steep so with good room gain you could expect solid extension into the 12hz range. The 12-16hz output should be up significantly because of this. In very large rooms the extension may not be noticeable, but in small-medium rooms it could be very noticeable. Part of the reason why I want to test a ICE amp to do side by side comparisons and measurements.
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As someone who just went through the decision between XV15se vs V1500, I'll chime in.. I was considering dual XV15se or dual V1500, but since I found out that 1 of them will be roughly equal 2-3 of my current sub (SVS 20-39CS+), I ended up with a single V1500.
For an extra $150, I would get the following:
- minidsp (which I think I would need anyway if I decide to go dual sub)
- lower extensions (16 hz vs 21 hz)
- 2-3db more output
- ICE amp
I thought it was worth the $150 for those things. Now that the minidsp promotion is over, it's a little more difficult to decide.
The only drawback w/ the V1500 is the look, but I never have a forward facing sub before and my wife approves it.

Besides, since I talked myself out of getting a dual now, I save at least $700 already..
The output advantage is not that great. Above 20hz it might be 1db...I expect the big advantage to be in the 14-16hz area. Agree with everything else you mentioned. Congrats on your purchase.
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So the lower extension of the v1500...is that something that is going to be noticable only in certain scenes of certain movies? I guess I'm just trying to understand how obvious and significant of a difference the 16hz would be compared to the 21hz of the xv15se. I know the only way to feel and/or hear the difference between the two subs would be a side by side, so I guess waiting until someone has done that is the answer. Wish I had the means.
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Another thought for anyone unsure about going with the new models (S1500, V1500, S3000, S3000I).

Remember your also getting two benefits to going with the new models with the ICE amps.

1. Room compensation control- This allows you to taller the roll off of the sub woofer to sound best to you in your room, which helps with issues like bosomy bass or to much room gain.

2. A true time delay (instead of a phase control) which will keep all frequencies in phase vs just near the crossover point, which should help with overall response and prevent odd phase cancellation
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That is why I plan on testing a ICE amp in my 2400^3 room directly in comparison with the bash amp. I do not expect to get quite the extension of a V1500 but I should at the very least get the extension of a original XV15. When I upgraded my original XV15's to SE models I wish I had done direct comparisons to see if the was a noticeable difference playing source material. I did notice a significant increase in the 20hz region which migh be masking some of the 16hz loss.

To directly answer your question, I think you would only notice the difference in extension if subs will easily pressurize the room. Meaning in very large rooms, I doubt you would be able to discern a difference but in small to medium rooms the difference could be very noticeable.

Remember that the lower you go in frequency the more spl you need. A rough example would be, if your subs are pushing 110db @ 20hz, they would need to be able to produce 118-120db @ 10hz for the bass to sound flat or equal to your ears. It's called the equal loudness curve. Also sub 20hz bass can sound rather bad in rooms not designed for it. When I run my subs at reference during the Pulse server scene, the entire house growls, groans, squeeks, and rattles. Kind of detracts from the overall sound quality. Having a dedicated room with treatments and sound proofing would make the experience much much more enjoyable.
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Another thought for anyone unsure about going with the new models (S1500, V1500, S3000, S.3000I).

Renumber your also getting two benefits to going with the new models with the ICE amps.

1. Room compnesation control- This allows you to taller the roll off of the sub woofer to sound best to you in your room, which helps with issues like boomy bass or to much room gain.

2. A true time delay (instead of a phase control) which will keep all frequencies in phase vs just near the crossover point, which should help with overall response and prevent odd phase cancellation
Very good point! These are 2 features are something I really look forward to playing with.
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Very good point! These are 2 features are something I really look forward to playing with.
I think we are all looking forward to hearing what you hear and how the test goes. Also I fixed my awful spelling sorry about that its early and apparently my brain refuses to work this morning.
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the V1500 digs a half octave lower. It is +/-3db @ 16hz vs the XV15se +/-3db @ 21hz. Also the roll off is not as steep so with good room gain you could expect solid extension into the 12hz range. The 12-16hz output should be up significantly because of this. In very large rooms the extension may not be noticeable, but in small-medium rooms it could be very noticeable. Part of the reason why I want to test a ICE amp to do side by side comparisons and measurements.
That is a bigger difference than I thought. I was basing it on the PSA chart which has the little "in room extension" category where the xv15se says 16hz and v1500 says 14hz... That chart seems to defeat most of what you are saying, or maybe I misunderstand what that metric means lol. We all know that wouldn't be a first for me.
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Before I placed my order I emailed Tom and asked specifically about how much of a difference the v1500 was over the xv15se. If it was worth it to wait a few weeks or a month or whatever because I'm such an impatient stooge and if the difference was not all that noticable i was just gonna go with the xv15se. Anyways, his response was that the v1500 will "extend a little deeper and play a little louder but they will sound similar in most aspects." I took that as the difference is not huge and that an audition of the xv15se was worth considering. But I have had a couple of majorly awesome sub's before and i know that old "I want more" or "what if" mentality all too well. I'm sure I will love the xv15se, but will I be satisfied? I don't think I've ever felt "satisfied" when it comes to any of my hobbies. Lol. So don't be surprised if I end up with the v1500 in the end. Even if I do feel "satisfied" with the xv15se. Lol.
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^ I started with a XV-15, moved up to a XS-30 and then after adding another XS-30 and placing them correctly, I am finally satisfied!!
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Before I placed my order I emailed Tom and asked specifically about how much of a difference the v1500 was over the xv15se. If it was worth it to wait a few weeks or a month or whatever because I'm such an impatient stooge and if the difference was not all that noticable i was just gonna go with the xv15se. Anyways, his response was that the v1500 will "extend a little deeper and play a little louder but they will sound similar in most aspects." I took that as the difference is not huge and that an audition of the xv15se was worth considering. But I have had a couple of majorly awesome sub's before and i know that old "I want more" or "what if" mentality all too well. I'm sure I will love the xv15se, but will I be satisfied? I don't think I've ever felt "satisfied" when it comes to any of my hobbies. Lol. So don't be surprised if I end up with the v1500 in the end. Even if I do feel "satisfied" with the xv15se. Lol.
One point of clarification. When I offer my thoughts on these types of comparisons I assume the source material will be a wide variety of film(and music when applicable). With the discs being played from start to finish. The same as watching a film in its entirety in other words. In this scenario I do feel the XV15se and V1500 will sound similar.

On the other hand...

If we cherry picked a few scenes from a few discs that were known for the loudest and deepest bass available...the V1500 would have a clear advantage.

I really don't like basing recommendations on the latter though. To me, it is sort of like looking at a singular CEA-2010 frequency score and making product judgement.

ALSO---FYI, V1500 first production run is spoken for. We're a few orders into the second run now. It now looks like 3-30 to 3-31 for that.

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^ I started with a XV-15, moved up to a XS-30 and then after adding another XS-30 and placing them correctly, I am finally satisfied!!
exactly the same here...and believe it or not I haven't touched my subs (upgraded) in over a year
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One point of clarification. When I offer my thoughts on these types of comparisons I assume the source material will be a wide variety of film(and music when applicable). With the discs being played from start to finish. The same as watching a film in its entirety in other words. In this scenario I do feel the XV15se and V1500 will sound similar.
Almost exactly how I plan on doing my comparison between my S3000i and V1500. The only difference is that I'll be putting together a music tracklist and listening to listening to songs in their entirety. My musical tastes are so broad that there's no way I could listen to enough full albums to fit within my 30 day window.

Starting to compile the list of movies and music now. I'm even going to include some of my kids' stuff (Pixar's Cars has some great audio, imo).

Ok...back to work. No more dreaming of new subwoofers all day! :P
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I think it is really cool you are doing this comparison and already preparing your material.
I think A LOT of people are looking forward to this comparison....The S3000I looks to be of major (ok...HUGE) interest, along with the V1500.....
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I think it is really cool you are doing this comparison and already preparing your material.
I think A LOT of people are looking forward to this comparison....The S3000I looks to be of major (ok...HUGE) interest, along with the V1500.....
Best of luck!
Thanks! I just wish I more knew what I'm doing when it comes to taking measurements and such--I know people will be interested in that stuff and I'm a total novice in that area.

As an FYI, when it comes time, I will be starting my own thread to discuss it. I'll reference it here, of course--but I don't want to turn this into the "Brian's shootout thread"

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