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Hi all,

First production run on the S1500s is scheduled for 3-10. We have two open spots(just got a cancellation this morning).

First production run on the V1500s should be approximately 5-7 days later.

I'll keep updating as things continue to solidify.

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Hey forum,

I'm converting a spare bedroom into a home theater room and would appreciate help choosing a subwoofer(s).
Here are the facts:

1,066 cubic feet sealed room w/carpet flooring.
95% movie
5% gaming
Prefer extension over output as I never listen at reference level volumes
Budget $1500
(currently auditioning goldenear triton 7s for mains)

Leaning toward an xs15se or the newer s1500, perhaps even duals but wanted to consult the experts here first for opinions. Also, definitely want to purchase from PSA. Thank you.
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Well, I think you'll have to bump up your budget if you want to go duals. I like the idea of going as big as you can afford. Maybe a S3000? Between those two, on paper (haven't heard either), the S1500 is the clear winner.
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get a pair of XS15se.
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^^ +1. A pair of those in your budget would be crazy (output and extension- ears popping) in your room.
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Good recommendation basshead. I imagine dual xs15se would crush in ~1000 cubes and get some pretty solid extension as well.
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Thanks everyone,

Sounds like dual xs15se would probably do the trick, and it does fit within my budget nicely. I like the idea of having a smooth blanket of bass by going with two subs over a single. Though should I be concerned about the downward firing design over carpet? The room is over a crawl space if that matters.

Admittedly, I am also very enticed by the promise of deeper extension offered in the new S1500. I do realize it would cost more, just kinda debating internally. Besides price, are there any arguments for the older SE version over the newer ICE models?
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Hey forum,

I'm converting a spare bedroom into a home theater room and would appreciate help choosing a subwoofer(s).
Here are the facts:

1,066 cubic feet sealed room w/carpet flooring.
95% movie
5% gaming
Prefer extension over output as I never listen at reference level volumes
Budget $1500
(currently auditioning goldenear triton 7s for mains)

Leaning toward an xs15se or the newer s1500, perhaps even duals but wanted to consult the experts here first for opinions. Also, definitely want to purchase from PSA. Thank you.
Only have a minute but a couple of quick thoughts,

1)if you are going with a quality subwoofer or two, why the need for full range towers?

2)if the longest room dimension is about 10 feet you may not receive that much benefit in regards to room smoothing with a 2nd sub


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1)if you are going with a quality subwoofer or two, why the need for full range towers?

2)if the longest room dimension is about 10 feet you may not receive that much benefit in regards to room smoothing with a 2nd sub
1) Honestly, I just thought I needed to. The only systems that have ever excited me were full range speakers with external subs. They were in much larger rooms though.

2) Hmmm, was unaware of such a phenomenon. Thanks for the heads up. Perhaps a single, larger sub then?
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1) Honestly, I just thought I needed to. The only systems that have ever excited me were full range speakers with external subs. They were in much larger rooms though.

2) Hmmm, was unaware of such a phenomenon. Thanks for the heads up. Perhaps a single, larger sub then?
If you enjoy the sound of the GE speakers I'd try one of these?


http://www.goldenear.com/products/su...series?gktab=2

This would likely give you similar sound above 80hz or so and might save quite a bit?

You won't see much in the way of room modes <55hz or so, and the typical crossover is 80hz, so the bandwidth of interest here is relatively narrow with regards to a dual unit smoothing things. That's not to say smoothing in the 55-100hz range wouldn't be beneficial just not quite the potential of say 20-100hz.

Sealed is absolutely the way to go in this room environment though. Whether it is two smaller units or one larger model like the XS30se or 3000i.

One of the benefits in goigg with a single larger sub now is you have any easy upgrade path down the road. If you start with two smaller subs you may be in start all over mode as most don't want more than two large sub enclosures in the room. That may be especially true with a smaller room like this.

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2)if the longest room dimension is about 10 feet you may not receive that much benefit in regards to room smoothing with a 2nd sub
At what point does the room start to be large enough for smoothing with a 2nd (or more) sub? My room is 10x12.5x9 (10x15x9 without the closet that I may remove) with no specific MLP (but all seats in a single row) and the bass response variation is quite noticeable; I'm thinking of adding a second XS15 this year but this comment caught me off guard.

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I'm sure I missed this earlier and I'm also pretty sure the answer is "yes" but will the V1500 play well with the XV15se.

Also, Tom I'm pretty sure you gave the answer to this earlier but I can't find it. In theory what will the new ICE amps do to the XV15SE if one were to do the upgraded? I know we will find out the real world answer soon enough when Basshead gets the amp to test but I can't remember what you to said the difference would be.
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Yes a XV15se should play well with a V1500 due to the room control feature allowing to tweak the low end bass response.


The ICE amp in a XV cab should allow deeper extension, also features a time align dial(instead of phase which could make integrating multiple subs easier), room control, and another 1db of output. also the ICE amp operates much smoother when on the limiter...no odd sounds.
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Hey forum,

I'm converting a spare bedroom into a home theater room and would appreciate help choosing a subwoofer(s).
Here are the facts:

1,066 cubic feet sealed room w/carpet flooring.
95% movie
5% gaming
Prefer extension over output as I never listen at reference level volumes
Budget $1500
(currently auditioning goldenear triton 7s for mains)

Leaning toward an xs15se or the newer s1500, perhaps even duals but wanted to consult the experts here first for opinions. Also, definitely want to purchase from PSA. Thank you.
2 XS15se should get you to reference level down to 16 Hz.
2 XS 30se should get you to reference level down to 10 Hz.
(This is according the to the ULF calculator)
(There is no reference for the new subs)
But if you dont listen to reference level, you may be happy with just 1 of any sealed sub from Tom. Pick the one that appeals to you. You can always add a 2nd later if you need more. 2 of any sealed PSA sub would be awesome in that small room. Probably just a S3000 would put a huge smile on your face.
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2 XS15se should get you to reference level down to 16 Hz.
2 XS 30se should get you to reference level down to 10 Hz.
Thanks Red.

2 small sealed subs is the direction I am headed. Anything else will smash the budget and be power wasted, I think. You mention reference down to 16hz on a pair of 15se. Is that where they bottom out, or should I expect them to dig deeper with "usable" output?
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I wonder if the gain on the new ICE amps still should be set around 2-3:00?

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I wonder if the gain on the new ICE amps still should be set around 2-3:00?

It's a totally different amp so no way to really know until guys start to have them in hand or until Tom or Jim say something. Every amp's gain knob is a little different.
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Hey guys. I got my xv15se today! Woohoo! Got it set up and I'm having a blast so far. One question...it seems I have to set the gain on this thing quite a bit higher than other sub's I have had. Is the 3 o'clock mark normal for these? I have mine set at about 2 but I feel like I want a little more. But I don't want to push it too hard. Not familiar with it enough yet. Anyways, so far its great and I'm looking forward to giving it a good workout and seeing what it can do with all my movies and CDs. Thanks guys. And thanks Tom! Great product and even better customer service.

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The gain knob is there to get the levels set correctly, it is not a volume control per say. The best thing to do is set the gain 2:00, run the AVR room correction, then manually bump the sub trim up 4-6db from where the calibration set it in the AVR only... Leave the sub amp gain alone at this point.
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OK I'll give that a shot. I had the gain set much lower than 2 when I ran the setup. Thanks.
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Thanks Red.

2 small sealed subs is the direction I am headed. Anything else will smash the budget and be power wasted, I think. You mention reference down to 16hz on a pair of 15se. Is that where they bottom out, or should I expect them to dig deeper with "usable" output?
Here is a testing of the sub. http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...d=105&mset=117 that will give more detail about it. I could only hit peaks of about 105 dB. But my room is about 6 to 7 times bigger than yours. That is why I think you would be really happy. But I would chat with Tom some before you pull the plug. Don't be conservative of your goals and listening habits. If anything over exaggerate. That way you wont be under powered. Its best to have too much sub than not enough. You can always tame it down.
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It's a totally different amp so no way to really know until guys start to have them in hand or until Tom or Jim say something. Every amp's gain knob is a little different.
Yeah I was more or less asking them.
I should hopefully get an answer before mine arrives.

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Based on my NHT's bass response I'm guessing I've never really experienced bass much lower than 30Hz. What would you recommend for a first movie to watch that has good DEEP bass for my V1500?

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Based on my NHT's bass response I'm guessing I've never really experienced bass much lower than 30Hz. What would you recommend for a first movie to watch that has good DEEP bass for my V1500?
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First production run on the S1500s is scheduled for 3-10. We have two open spots(just got a cancellation this morning).

First production run on the V1500s should be approximately 5-7 days later.
Any date lined up for the S3000 and S3000i?


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2008 Incredible Hulk. A nonstop bass fest from start to finish.

Also I saw that basshead said that John Wick extends to down to 1Hz. Now that's deep bass. You won't come close to reaching that low but they are talking that movie up a lot on the New Master List of Bass in Movies thread. I haven't seen it yet but plan to very soon.
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Yes a XV15se should play well with a V1500 due to the room control feature allowing to tweak the low end bass response.


The ICE amp in a XV cab should allow deeper extension, also features a time align dial(instead of phase which could make integrating multiple subs easier), room control, and another 1db of output. also the ICE amp operates much smoother when on the limiter...no odd sounds.
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Also I saw that basshead said that John Wick extends to down to 1Hz. Now that's deep bass. You won't come close to reaching that low but they are talking that movie up a lot on the New Master List of Bass in Movies thread. I haven't seen it yet but plan to very soon.
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