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is the minidsp plugged into a power source?
are you sure the input and output being used are the correct ones?
So far I have advised

1)Check cable connections(make sure everything is plugged into the correct spots)
2)Try a different cable to eliminate the possibility of a bad cable
3) un mute all outputs on the mini
4) try a different power supply for the mini
5)check all the settings in the AVR and on the sub

I'm sure I'm missing a few things too?

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Unlikely, but maybe the gain in the MiniDSP for that output got turned down somehow...?
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Tracking numbers will begin showing up in a couple hours.

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Just curious if the port size is bigger on the V1500 as compared to the XV15? From the picture, is it 5"?
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Tom, would there be anything wrong with setting Room Size all the way to Small BEFORE running Audyssey then turning it up to Large?

I just tried this and I feel it sounds better than before!

Anyone else tried experimenting with the Room Size control?

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Just curious if the port size is bigger on the V1500 as compared to the XV15? From the picture, is it 5"?
Same diameter. 4" tube, with flaring out to 6". It seems counter intuitive but a 4" ID will flow about twice the air as a 3" ID port.

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Just curious if the port size is bigger on the V1500 as compared to the XV15? From the picture, is it 5"?
It's 4" but flared so it appears larger.

Edit: whoops Tom beat me to it!

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Tom, would there be anything wrong with setting Room Size all the way to Small BEFORE running Audyssey then turning it up to Large?

I just tried this and I feel it sounds better than before!

Anyone else tried experimenting with the Room Size control?
Are you able to take FR before and after Audyssey?

Also, how large is the room and are there any large openings to other areas of the home?

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I'm starting to wish I bought the Marantz... anybody help me out with these:

I re-ran MCACC several times. With one sub off (and the other sub on and connected to miniDSP but with filters bypassed) and the gain control knob at about 2:30 o'clockish it was coming in at -0.5db. On my XV15 it had been coming in at -6db at the same gain control position. Should I put the gain control at 3 o'clock or even 4 o'clock to get MCACC to put it more in the negative?

I noticed that MCACC will equalize the sub only when I select "all channel adjust" versus "symmetry"... I know that a lot of folks here are Audessey so I'm not sure what the equivalent would be. Basically the symmetry equalizes the fronts to match and the rears to match (it does not touch the sub though) and the all channel adjust individually equalizes all channels including the sub. So what should I do? Should I let MCACC adjust each channel (including the sub) or should I run MCACC in "symmetry" and then let REW coupled with the miniDSP equalize the sub?

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Tom, would there be anything wrong with setting Room Size all the way to Small BEFORE running Audyssey then turning it up to Large?

I just tried this and I feel it sounds better than before!

Anyone else tried experimenting with the Room Size control?
My guess would be that you now have "Double Large Room Mode".

Running Audyssey with it set to "Small Room" in a large-ish room, Audyssey will add some boost to the low end. Then setting it to "Large Room Mode" you are essentially double-boosting the low end. Could cause issues with headroom at higher volume levels, but if you aren't hearing any distortion you should be fine.
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Are you able to take FR before and after Audyssey?

Also, how large is the room and are there any large openings to other areas of the home?

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Sorry, no I don't have anything like REW. My living room is VERY open! Vaulted ceiling, maybe 14' peak. Room is 17.5'W x 15'D. Sub is 10.5' from MLP just inside of my right front speaker. Room is open to foyer, kitchen, and dining room.

Audyssey set sub to -3 with room size set to small. I changed all speakers to small, 80Hz for front speakers, 100 for center and 150 for surrounds. I left the sub level at -3 so NOT HOT. Then I changed Room Size all the way to Large.

All I know is that this sounds FAR deeper and more powerful than my previous setup in which I ran Audyssey with the room size at large and the sub level bumped UP 3dB HOT!

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I'm starting to wish I bought the Marantz... anybody help me out with these:

I re-ran MCACC several times. With one sub off (and the other sub on and connected to miniDSP but with filters bypassed) and the gain control knob at about 2:30 o'clockish it was coming in at -0.5db. On my XV15 it had been coming in at -6db at the same gain control position. Should I put the gain control at 3 o'clock or even 4 o'clock to get MCACC to put it more in the negative?
Yes, turn up the gain on the sub until you can get MCACC to set the sub trim around -6 to -8db.

The MiniDSP will cut your output voltage a bit and this causes you to use a higher sub gain setting. Nothing to worry about, just the nature of the beast.

Why are you running MCACC with only one sub running??


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I noticed that MCACC will equalize the sub only when I select "all channel adjust" versus "symmetry"... I know that a lot of folks here are Audessey so I'm not sure what the equivalent would be. Basically the symmetry equalizes the fronts to match and the rears to match (it does not touch the sub though) and the all channel adjust individually equalizes all channels including the sub. So what should I do? Should I let MCACC adjust each channel (including the sub) or should I run MCACC in "symmetry" and then let REW coupled with the miniDSP equalize the sub?
I would use the one that EQs the sub and all channels individually....that's how Audyssey does it. Then add the MiniDSP post-calibration.

There are benefits to EQing pre-cal and post-cal. You have to decide for yourself which way you want to go.

The Symmetry setting doesn't sound like it's trying to EQ all channels to have the best timbre match (fronts separate from rears). I want all the speakers to have the same sound...not the front sound the same and the rears sound different.
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My guess would be that you now have "Double Large Room Mode".

Running Audyssey with it set to "Small Room" in a large-ish room, Audyssey will add some boost to the low end. Then setting it to "Large Room Mode" you are essentially double-boosting the low end. Could cause issues with headroom at higher volume levels, but if you aren't hearing any distortion you should be fine.
So far nothing but positive results!
My concern was if it might be considered a no no sort of like variable tuning subs that warn against all ports open AND max extension mode. I may have that wrong but you know what I mean.

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Sorry, no I don't have anything like REW. My living room is VERY open! Vaulted ceiling, maybe 14' peak. Room is 17.5'W x 15'D. Sub is 10.5' from MLP just inside of my right front speaker. Room is open to foyer, kitchen, and dining room.

Audyssey set sub to -3 with room size set to small. I changed all speakers to small, 80Hz for front speakers, 100 for center and 150 for surrounds. I left the sub level at -3 so NOT HOT. Then I changed Room Size all the way to Large.

All I know is that this sounds FAR deeper and more powerful than my previous setup in which I ran Audyssey with the room size at large and the sub level bumped UP 3dB HOT!
Well, without FR we're just guessing but I'd say Alan has it right...you're doubling up on the deepest bass which may or may not result in a more accurate bass presentation. But if that is what sounds best to you leave it like that. As others have said "reference" is important but not as important as "preference"..

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Well, without FR we're just guessing but I'd say Alan has it right...you're doubling up on the deepest bass which may or may not result in a more accurate bass presentation. But if that is what sounds best to you leave it like that. As others have said "reference" is important but not as important as "preference"..

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Thanks Tom! Just to be safe though, I turned the Room size to the middle position. Still sounds AMAZING!

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Yes, turn up the gain on the sub until you can get MCACC to set the sub trim around -6 to -8db.

The MiniDSP will cut your output voltage a bit and this causes you to use a higher sub gain setting. Nothing to worry about, just the nature of the beast.

Why are you running MCACC with only one sub running??




I would use the one that EQs the sub and all channels individually....that's how Audyssey does it. Then add the MiniDSP post-calibration.

There are benefits to EQing pre-cal and post-cal. You have to decide for yourself which way you want to go.

The Symmetry setting doesn't sound like it's trying to EQ all channels to have the best timbre match (fronts separate from rears). I want all the speakers to have the same sound...not the front sound the same and the rears sound different.
Thanks for your help Alan... I'm not quite sure why I decided to run MCACC with only one sub connected. Maybe I read that somewhere. I guess I thought that only having one sub calibrated would correctly set the distance for the sub. I have the subs equidistant from the MLP.

The Pioneer MCACC manual describes the following EQ Types:

Symmetry: Implements symmetric correction for each pair of left and right speakers to flatten the frequency-amplitude characteristics.

All Channel Adjust: Is a 'flat' setting where all the speakers are set individually so no special weighting is given to any one channel.

Front Align: Sets all speakers in accordance with the front speaker settings (no equalization is applied to the front left and right channels).

The manual has a note that EQ of the subwoofer is automatically set when in All Channel Adjust.

Some of the stuff is confusing to me... anyhow, with that said should I run MCACC with All Channel Adjust still?

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Yup, sounds like the best option to me.
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Thanks for your help Alan... I'm not quite sure why I decided to run MCACC with only one sub connected. Maybe I read that somewhere. I guess I thought that only having one sub calibrated would correctly set the distance for the sub. I have the subs equidistant from the MLP.
You want to calibrate multiple subs as a "system" so all subs should be running when you run MCACC. If you run MCACC with only one sub, the EQ will not be correct since the combined frequency response when both subs are playing is probably vastly different than just one sub.


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Symmetry: Implements symmetric correction for each pair of left and right speakers to flatten the frequency-amplitude characteristics.
Sounds like it applies the same correction to each pair of speakers (FL/FR, SL/SR, SBL/SBR)...not sure what it does to the CC or sub(s). This would only work if you have a perfectly symmetrical room and your MLP was equidistant from all speakers. FAIL!

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All Channel Adjust: Is a 'flat' setting where all the speakers are set individually so no special weighting is given to any one channel.
Yup, EQing each speaker individually is what we want. WIN!

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Front Align: Sets all speakers in accordance with the front speaker settings (no equalization is applied to the front left and right channels).
This is the same as "Audyssey Bypass L/R", a setting I've never liked (although some do).

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The manual has a note that EQ of the subwoofer is automatically set when in All Channel Adjust.
Another WIN for All Channel Adjust.

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Some of the stuff is confusing to me...
We were all there at one time...don't hesitate to ask questions, even ones you think are "stupid".
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I'm starting to wish I bought the Marantz... anybody help me out with these:

I re-ran MCACC several times. With one sub off (and the other sub on and connected to miniDSP but with filters bypassed) and the gain control knob at about 2:30 o'clockish it was coming in at -0.5db. On my XV15 it had been coming in at -6db at the same gain control position. Should I put the gain control at 3 o'clock or even 4 o'clock to get MCACC to put it more in the negative?

I noticed that MCACC will equalize the sub only when I select "all channel adjust" versus "symmetry"... I know that a lot of folks here are Audessey so I'm not sure what the equivalent would be. Basically the symmetry equalizes the fronts to match and the rears to match (it does not touch the sub though) and the all channel adjust individually equalizes all channels including the sub. So what should I do? Should I let MCACC adjust each channel (including the sub) or should I run MCACC in "symmetry" and then let REW coupled with the miniDSP equalize the sub?

MCACC does NOT do anything under 63Hz to your subwoofer(s). It does not matter if its "all channel adjust" or "symmetry" etc. You only need to run MCACC one time and it will correct for all (3) EQ modes, you just pick one after its done. I used to own Pioneer's in the past and if I recall correctly it defaults to "symmetry".


A couple of years ago I switched to a Denon with Audyssey XT32 and have not looked back. XT32 is far superior to MCACC in my experience.
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Maybe this thread would be of some help:

"OFFICIAL" Pioneer MCACC thread
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Ok thanks guys... so all channel adjust it is (Next AVR will be Marantz!) and I'll run MCACC with both subs running.... got it!

Can I just leave both subs connected to the miniDSP when I run MCACC considering I have bypassed all filters on it anyway? It will be (surprisingly) a huge pain in the butt to disconnect from the miniDSP and then run the sub cables back out of the one ton entertainment center and connect to the AVR (kind of a dumb problem but one none the less).

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Yes, if you plan on keeping the MiniDSP in the chain (and why wouldn't you?) then you want to calibrate with it in the chain.
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Talking S3000i On It's Way!

Just received my tracking number for my S3000i and it should be here on Friday!

Only problem now is my carpet doesn't get installed until next Friday...

Looks like I will have a week of "practice runs" with the miniDSP and REW on it before I get it into it's final home environment.
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Just got my tracking info as well. But no updates on the FedEx site about the delivery date. Based on the V1500 transit time, I expect it to arrive on Monday or Tuesday.

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Just got my tracking info as well. But no updates on the FedEx site about the delivery date. Based on the V1500 transit time, I expect it to arrive on Monday or Tuesday.
Just go to this link and type in 44440 (Power Sound Audio's zip code) for the zip code, make sure "View Outbound Map" is selected, and hit "View Map"

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Just got my tracking info as well. But no updates on the FedEx site about the delivery date. Based on the V1500 transit time, I expect it to arrive on Monday or Tuesday.
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Just got my tracking info as well. But no updates on the FedEx site about the delivery date. Based on the V1500 transit time, I expect it to arrive on Monday or Tuesday.
When we generate the shipping label it auto fulfills into our merchant account and sends the info to the customer email. But until fedex shows up and the driver scans the label it doesn't enter the system. The driver gets here between 3-4pm(usually) and each label can take 5 minutes or more depending on the "system notations". So when we have 10-15-20 shipments we need to start them a couple hours before Fedex pops in..

We are trying to get a second truck here around 6pm today too, just a heads up.

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