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To properly time-align multiple subs with the MiniDSP, all you need is a tape measure and a calculator.

Measure the the distance from MLP to furthest sub, measure the distance from MLP to closest sub. Calculate the difference (sub1 is 15', sub 2 is 5', difference = 10'). Use MiniDSP to add 10' of delay to closer sub.

This will get you in the ballpark, you can fine tune while measuring with REW for the smoothest response.

After you get the subs time-aligned with each other, you then run Audyssey (or whatever auto-EQ you have) then perform the sub distance tweak to get the sub "system" in-phase with the CC/main speakers.
Do you need to time align the subs if they are equidistant from the MLP?
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Do you need to time align the subs if they are equidistant from the MLP?
If they are identical, no.
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I have read in some threads that some people who got Antimode ended up disconnecting it because they felt like it neutered the sub. Has anyone used it at all? I'm curious to hear their thoughts.
Not exactly the same, but I introduced a SVS EQ1 into my system a week or so ago and it definitely smoothed out the FR. No overpowering slam anymore.
Sounds are "cleaner" (for lack of a better word), but I did feel like it tamed a tad too much my XS30se.

Maybe I was just used to not so clean bass?... Nevertheless, adding another one should make things better.

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Have you measured your response with the EQ1 Cesar?
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Here is the electrical of our "Room Size" control.

The top curve(virtually flat) is the control set to LARGE.

The bottom curve(with the greatest attenuation) is the control set to SMALL.

Everything in-between is everything in-between on the dial..

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Oh wow I didn't realize it started so high. I thought it only affected around 30Hz and under. I think I'm going to try Audyssey again with it set to Large. Doesn't make any sense why I would have deeper, more powerful bass when setting it ti Small.

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Well I've got my V1500s setup using XT32. Haven't really had a chance to really check these out but my based on my initial listening is deep, clean bass. I tried various locations from mid-side walls to corner placement but finally wound up with front stage. Seemed the best there but I'm sure I will tinker some more.

Very impressive subs Tom!
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Have you measured your response with the EQ1 Cesar?
Yes, I did. I have a mac at home but used my work computer over the weekend to set it all up. Didn't have a chance to actually save the graphs, but I believe I ran the whole calibration process three times, and ended up running my sub hot with the last one.
Didn't have that much time, but remember using REW and being very satisfied with my graph - but my ears didn't like it that much. Hence, my thought about me getting used to "clean" bass?

Who knows, man. I am, indeed, enjoying the system a lot more. And when I add a second sub (and going through those shenanigans again), I'm sure it'll improve things. I want to know what everybody talks about with duals and stuff...

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^^^

When you implemented the EQ1, did your overall SPL from the sub drop?

With a flat response, most folks like to bump up the sub trim a few db to bring the whole bottom end back up, essentially creating a "house curve".
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This is going to make for a nice little work desk sub


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This is going to make for a nice little work desk sub
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This is going to make for a nice little work desk sub


Did you use REW to get the optimal placement for that?
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Had to take it out to check for any damage as there was a hole in bottom of the box, but thankfully everything was fine. And then a co-worker that is a DJ just had to hear it so of course I obliged.

Now I only have two problems:

1) Everyone in my office thinks I'm insane.

2) I have to go meet with HR 'cause I blew some poor girl's clothes off when I cranked it up...
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^^^^ He's going to be spending a lot of time in HR's office or not a lot because the first time he fires that thing up he will be unemployed.

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I'd be a bit concerned having a magnet that large that close to my PC!
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That's awesome. Be sure to use the minidsp to get a house curve working for you.
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I'd flip it around so the amp was facing the other way because I'd be scared about breaking off a connector/plug with my feet.

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This is going to make for a nice little work desk sub


Dang...that is hardcore! Dual 15's and no main speakers....winning!

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^^^

When you implemented the EQ1, did your overall SPL from the sub drop?

With a flat response, most folks like to bump up the sub trim a few db to bring the whole bottom end back up, essentially creating a "house curve".
I want to say "no"... but only because I don't remember

It's funny, though. I know that the EQ1 is supposed to be really great, but I had a hard time figuring it out. The more I read about it and the more I tweak things, the better it gets.

By the way, Alan, did you have a hard time incorporating your duals? My space is much smaller (16x13x8), but I wander if size of room influences the level of difficulty of having duals.

Yippee-ki-yay...
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Dang...that is hardcore! Dual 15's and no main speakers....winning!

What are you talking about? I see some speakers on his desk by his monitors!..lol
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Dang...that is hardcore! Dual 15's and no main speakers....winning!

Look closer. His "mains" are underneath each monitor.
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^^^ I'm sure those coke can speakers can keep up just fine with that behemoth lurking underneath.

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I want to say "no"... but only because I don't remember

It's funny, though. I know that the EQ1 is supposed to be really great, but I had a hard time figuring it out. The more I read about it and the more I tweak things, the better it gets.

By the way, Alan, did you have a hard time incorporating your duals? My space is much smaller (16x13x8), but I wander if size of room influences the level of difficulty of having duals.
Define "hard"?

Before the dual T-18s I had quad XS15s....now that was hard...and ultimately an utter failure in my room, hence the dual T-18s.

The T-18s were relatively easy to get working well together though, after I got the XT32 AVR everything sounds awesome.
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Now I only have two problems:

1) Everyone in my office thinks I'm insane.

2) I have to go meet with HR 'cause I blew some poor girl's clothes off when I cranked it up...
Pics?
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I got an XS15SE by Chicago if you want to take a drive and get it
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What are you talking about? I see some speakers on his desk by his monitors!..lol
If that is what you want to call those...I bet the sub has enough bass you can not even tell there is any mids or highs. Lol

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Look closer. His "mains" are underneath each monitor.
I know this...some of you have a very dry sense of humor.

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