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I don't think it does much for phase/distance or whatever it is adjustments though. I looked through the manual and it says to let your AVR do that so it won't get the best combination of the two if your AVR doesn't have separate dual outs. Looking at the specs you just have 2 outputs one is a 180 phase adjustment from the other. It would be nice if it would adjust that independently between the two to find the best combination. I think that's where the 2.0 comes in.
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They have two models of the Antimode 8033 & the S2.

I think the next model will be a floorstander, the 410
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I have 8033 II-S, but what it does with duals or quad subs, it sums up their total response in the room and treat the signal to all of them as one and levels the amplitude and phase( it says on the site). After antimode is done with subs then you do AVR based EQ to integrate them with the rest of the speakers.
They say that Audyssey XT32 is similar if not better then antimode 8033, but with other AVR based EQ program antipode is beneficial.
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I have 8033 II-S, but what it does with duals or quad subs, it sums up their total response in the room and treat the signal to all of them as one and levels the amplitude and phase( it says on the site). After antimode is done with subs then you do AVR based EQ to integrate them with the rest of the speakers.
They say that Audyssey XT32 is similar if not better then antimode 8033, but with other AVR based EQ program antipode is beneficial.
Does the Dual Core 2.0 do all that the 8033 II-S does and more? TIA
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Does the Dual Core 2.0 do all that the 8033 II-S does and more? TIA
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It does more, it can separately EQ two subs ( true stereo subs), also has the screen where you can see the response graphs and it has more options for more detailed tweaking. it is also 3 times the price. But has excellent reviews

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It does more, it can separately EQ two subs ( true stereo subs), also has the screen where you can see the response graphs and it has more options for more detailed tweaking. it is also 3 times the price. But has excellent reviews
Right now I'm seriously thinking of going that route or upgrading my AVR to XT32 with SUB EQ HT. I have to weigh the differences, prices are similar to what I was planning on spending for an AVR, so I'll do a little more research and see what will give me the best options. Thanks.
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Right now I'm seriously thinking of going that route or upgrading my AVR to XT32 with SUB EQ HT. I have to weigh the differences, prices are similar to what I was planning on spending for an AVR, so I'll do a little more research and see what will give me the best options. Thanks.
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I suppose the benefit of the anti-mode is that it is a stand alone unit that you can keep as you(or anyone) endlessly upgrade your AVR over time as we tend to do. On the other hand, if you upgrade to a high quality AVR with XT32 and SUB EQ HT as you mention, which does independently set up dual subs, it does eliminate most of the need or benefit of a stand alone eq unit. Of course, the flexibility you get from external eq, imo, is adding in custom FR curves, such as house curves for below reference listening. Some people even program in strong house curves for reference level listening if they have enough output capability.

I used the miniDSP to put in about a 5 dB house curve when I was running my dual XV15se's. So in reality, when I was watching movies at my normal level of -15, the bass was only 5 below reference(5 dB hot plus a 5 dD house curve). This has the advantage of not muddying up the bass in the mid an upper bass levels. Ten hot over the entire FR would sound pretty bad.
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WHAT??? You don't think these speakers are aesthetically appealing?

Yeah they are a little utilitarian in looks but for some reason I really like the finish on them. I don't know why but there's something about it that I like. Having said that, I have them in a darker room and I doubt my wife would want them in the living room (but I wouldn't mind).

Bear, to answer your question it is the same finish as the subwoofers.
Don't get me wrong I personally love the way they look. Even though I have them hidden (except surrounds)

But they are not pretty speakers that most will have in a living room. Like psb imagines for example are a very pretty speaker
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I suppose the benefit of the anti-mode is that it is a stand alone unit that you can keep as you(or anyone) endlessly upgrade your AVR over time as we tend to do. On the other hand, if you upgrade to a high quality AVR with XT32 and SUB EQ HT as you mention, which does independently set up dual subs, it does eliminate most of the need or benefit of a stand alone eq unit. Of course, the flexibility you get from external eq, imo, is adding in custom FR curves, such as house curves for below reference listening. Some people even program in strong house curves for reference level listening if they have enough output capability.

I used the miniDSP to put in about a 5 dB house curve when I was running my dual XV15se's. So in reality, when I was watching movies at my normal level of -15, the bass was only 5 below reference(5 dB hot plus a 5 dD house curve). This has the advantage of not muddying up the bass in the mid an upper bass levels. Ten hot over the entire FR would sound pretty bad.
True, that is exactly what Anti-mode can do, run a certain frequency range hot ( 8dB hot centered at 20,25 or 30 Hz) , if desired, with a press of a button but with retained overall smoothing of the room response. I am still experimenting with what feels best, for movies now boosting frequencies around 20Hz, playing flat for music ( I run LFE at same level as the speakers). There is nice noticeable difference when movie mayhem starts.

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Right now I'm seriously thinking of going that route or upgrading my AVR to XT32 with SUB EQ HT. I have to weigh the differences, prices are similar to what I was planning on spending for an AVR, so I'll do a little more research and see what will give me the best options. Thanks.
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If you are going to do it go with the 2.0 or the miniDSP DDRC-88A. I had several emails with them and seriously considered it. Both will work with subs independently to get the best overall response. You could also keep your eye out for a used SVS AS-EQ1. It has XT, I just picked one up and really like it.

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omg...if anyone wants an incredible demo scene, fire up "Noah" on Netflix and FF to the scenes with the huge rock people. I finally got my 5.1 RSL rig up and running again, and even though I haven't had a chance to calibrate it yet, I'm absolutely floored at the audio I'm getting right now in this small room. The S1500 was hitting so deep and impactful on the rock people scenes, it blew my mind. I can say with 100% certainty that the S1500 is superior to the SVS PBUltra. I am so impressed with what Tom has done here. I can't wait to get into a house later this year, get into a bigger room, and order another S1500.

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Don't get me wrong I personally love the way they look. Even though I have them hidden (except surrounds)

But they are not pretty speakers that most will have in a living room. Like psb imagines for example are a very pretty speaker
True, very true. PSB makes some very pretty speakers. I have the Image T5 upstairs and they aren't as nice looking as the Imagine line but they still really look nice in the living room.

On that note, that shows just how good the PSA speakers sound because now that I think about it my wife said if PSA had a smaller speaker she would want them to replace the PSBs we have. So even my wife (who says she doesn't care about this stuff) wants PSA, finish and all, in the living room because they sound so good but they would have to be smaller.

Okay, I just realized this is the PSA subwoofer thread, not speaker thread. Sorry guys, we derailed the thread but at least we're still talking about PSA.
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Something I've been thinking about. PSA offers great quality speakers at reasonable prices, but they all require stands as they are not tall enough to be floor standing, even in the MTM-210. Some people prefer floor standers for aesthetic purposes. I wonder if it would be beneficial for PSA to offer an option with the MTM-210 to be available with a taller cab to be used as a floor standing setup with no stands. Even if it was a "false" bottom section so that it would not affect the design. Because I would think that they are losing sales with people that want a floor standing speaker without stands.
I remember back in the 90's, M&K had a model (S-125 I think) that could be purchased with a matching bolt-on stand that was the same dimensions (width and depth) as the speaker with a slightly larger base. Basically it made the "satellite" into a "tower" just like you are describing.

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Right now I'm seriously thinking of going that route or upgrading my AVR to XT32 with SUB EQ HT. I have to weigh the differences, prices are similar to what I was planning on spending for an AVR, so I'll do a little more research and see what will give me the best options. Thanks.
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Personally Jeff if the Antimode does similar work as XT32 I would just get an AVR that has XT32 and be done with it. That's just my humble opinion though. Just throwing it out there.
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Had the S1500 delivered yesterday. I ran Audyssey this morning and it came back at –14.5. All knobs are set at 12 o’clock and all speakers are set to small. I’m not getting the “thump” I’m used to. I go back and forth between my old sub and the S1500 and the old has more “thump.” I will say that the S1500 sounds much “smoother,” and maybe that is the way its supposed to sound, but in order the get the thump I have to turn the gain to 3 o’clock. CDs sound very quiet at 12 o’clock. This just may be a listening adjustment going from a 100W, 16-year-old sub to the PSA, but I want to make sure I’m not missing something. It could also be one is ported and the other isn't.
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Had the S1500 delivered yesterday. I ran Audyssey this morning and it came back at –14.5. All knobs are set at 12 o’clock and all speakers are set to small. I’m not getting the “thump” I’m used to. I go back and forth between my old sub and the S1500 and the old has more “thump.” I will say that the S1500 sounds much “smoother,” and maybe that is the way its supposed to sound, but in order the get the thump I have to turn the gain to 3 o’clock. CDs sound very quiet at 12 o’clock. This just may be a listening adjustment going from a 100W, 16-year-old sub to the PSA, but I want to make sure I’m not missing something. It could also be one is ported and the other isn't.
After running Audysey, turn up the sub trim in your AVR 3-6 dB(between -11.5 and -8.5). Don't touch the gain knob after Audysey as you don't know if you are turning the sub up 2, 5, 10, or 20 dB. This 3-6 dB increase in output post Audysey should give you what you are looking for.

Also, if there is a crossover setting, it should not be randomly set to 12:00. Max it out...might be labeled as LFE when turned to full.
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