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OK, maybe not a 12" single. But very respectfully, I understand your point completely as that is why I said this was the only movie I have watched. Is Interstellar that bass heavy, maybe. At the same time, I have never had the amount of impact in this room that I felt from that movie and this sub. Previously the XS30 was in the exact same spot, it was running 5 hot while the S3000i is set only 2 hot. The sofa has never had that kind of movement, I have never felt ear pressure and have never had rattles. I would venture to say that the amp difference alone qualifies the improved performance I felt.

I guess that until I have time to watch some more movies I stand by Holy Crap !! This was a night and day difference that I will still need to test further.

Regarding costing other people money-This place does that to everyone (myself included) and we all know that PSA will give 30 days and free shipping.
Remember it doesn't take a huge difference in the deepest bass for us to perceive it to be a large difference.

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Get down into the 10-25hz range and a 3-5dB difference in headroom will subjectively feel like double the bass. Now, will double the bass make a single XS30 sound like a 12" sub? Maybe a very good 12" sub.. Overall though this type of POV doesn't surprise. As noted, the S3000i is the "real deal" I think we've had "in stock" status on them for maybe 10 days of the past 6-8 weeks. And I might be forgetting one but I don't recall a single return yet. And that is with free shipping both ways. Somewhat telling...

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thats what I had originally thought and said in chat haha

so the ULF calculator is pretty good at guestimating! Ill take 4db more output

EDIT: just got shipping confirmation now gotta move some things around
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Yes, Interstellar is a bass monster. Tremendous output in that film and can play havoc on your gear if not careful. And I did love your, "holy crap!" expression . So thank you for your input. It is appreciated.

Bear: Yeah, I know. It's silly for me not to give it a try out . I was waiting to see if Mark Seaton would be at the show in Irvine before I made my final decision.
I watched Interstellar at -15 and WOW, this was the 1st movie that I thought maybe adding a 3rd XS30SE might explode the room.
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I watched Interstellar at -15 and WOW, this was the 1st movie that I thought maybe adding a 3rd XS30SE might explode the room.
LOL. I think you're right. Watching that with two XS30se's must have been a trip!
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Yes, Interstellar is a bass monster. Tremendous output in that film and can play havoc on your gear if not careful. And I did love your, "holy crap!" expression . So thank you for your input. It is appreciated.

Bear: Yeah, I know. It's silly for me not to give it a try out . I was waiting to see if Mark Seaton would be at the show in Irvine before I made my final decision.
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I watched Interstellar at -15 and WOW, this was the 1st movie that I thought maybe adding a 3rd XS30SE might explode the room.
I will say that watching Interstaller as my first movie with the S3000i had me thinking that no way do I need duals and had similar thoughts of the room exploding with 2 of these-maybe that thought process will change as I get time to put some less bass heavy movies in. Unfortunately weekdays are not good at all for that so it may be this weekend before I get more time to play.
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Brian: I plan on adding a 3rd XS30SE later this year but I'm going to have all 3 up front. Please keep us posted what the 3rd does to your system.
Will do! It will be here Thursday. I will post measurements when I get them

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Will do! It will be here Thursday. I will post measurements when I get them

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Wait, which one did you order?
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Wait, which one did you order?
I believe Brian bought a XS30SE to go with his 2 XS30.

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I will say that watching Interstaller as my first movie with the S3000i had me thinking that no way do I need duals and had similar thoughts of the room exploding with 2 of these-maybe that thought process will change as I get time to put some less bass heavy movies in. Unfortunately weekdays are not good at all for that so it may be this weekend before I get more time to play.
I felt the same way when I had a single XS30SE, I said to myself " this is all I need" but what we need and what we want are 2 different things. If you keep visiting this forum you will have duals sooner than you think
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LOL. I think you're right. Watching that with two XS30se's must have been a trip!
It was very enjoyable, I felt like I was in the Rocket ship, if Tom was in the room I think I would of gave him a big hug

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thats what I had originally thought and said in chat haha

so the ULF calculator is pretty good at guestimating! Ill take 4db more output

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when I added a 3rd sub I gained between 3-4db through most of the bandwidth...and it took the right placement and setup to get that. That being said you should of got the 3000I...that would of netted you another 5-6db.
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when I added a 3rd sub I gained between 3-4db through most of the bandwidth...and it took the right placement and setup to get that. That being said you should of got the 3000I...that would of netted you another 5-6db.
Haha. I got the blem Bstock one The only way I could afford a third.

Hopefully my spot (only one place to put it) shows the proper increase in HR
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Haha. I got the blem Bstock one The only way I could afford a third.

Hopefully my spot (only one place to put it) shows the proper increase in HR
Brian where are you going to put it again, two up front and ?????
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Brian where are you going to put it again, two up front and ?????


he is going to put a seat cushion and back rest on it and place it at the MLP.


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Haha I was just picturing Brian with one of those little portable bleacher chairs sitting on top of his new xs30se. Good stuff.
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smoothijg I'm not worried about. My FR is pretty darn flat with no eq as it is.
Adding a third sub does not guarantee your FR maintains flat. It could be worse. Now, adding a fourth one will be ultimate
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Haha. I got the blem Bstock one The only way I could afford a third.

Hopefully my spot (only one place to put it) shows the proper increase in HR
They have another b-stock right now. Wish I could grab it but unfortunately I can't.
Hopefully they will have another b-stock when I'm ready. For right around $1000, it's hard to beat the XS30se!
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Brian where are you going to put it again, two up front and ?????
one will be exactly where one is now...back left corner behind MLP...i will put the new sub behnd the screen on other side of center speaker

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this would be very saddening...

good news is the 30 day in home trial still remains so if thats the case...she will go back
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I will say that watching Interstaller as my first movie with the S3000i had me thinking that no way do I need duals and had similar thoughts of the room exploding with 2 of these-maybe that thought process will change as I get time to put some less bass heavy movies in. Unfortunately weekdays are not good at all for that so it may be this weekend before I get more time to play.

You might be surprised by what a second adds. There's always the potential to minimize room induced peaks and dips in the response. However, you really can't be sure if/when the single S3000i might be limiting a big bass dynamic. The limiters/compressors (in a well engineered sub) should be transparent. So the single S3000i could be approaching its limits without making it clearly audible.

Try the second, could be interesting..

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I watched Interstellar at -15 and WOW, this was the 1st movie that I thought maybe adding a 3rd XS30SE might explode the room.

I'm going to order that today. What else should I grab? Edge of Tomorrow and?

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Definitely "Edge of Tomorrow" the opening scene has incredible LFE, I don't know if anyone has ever measured how low the ultrasonics are - but I thought my listening room was about to be teleported to another dimension - my XS-30 & XS-15 made the room shake, rattle & roll!
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Definitely "Edge of Tomorrow" the opening scene has incredible LFE, I don't know if anyone has ever measured how low the ultrasonics are - but I thought my listening room was about to be teleported to another dimension - my XS-30 & XS-15 made the room shake, rattle & roll!
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Edge of Tomorrow (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

Level - 5 Stars (113.59dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (9Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.61dB)
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Overall - 5 Stars

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Notes: The tones at the beginning are the highest level single tones I've seen in a movie. If you have a commercial sub, or are gain matched, you'll probably be fine playing them at your normal levels. If not, and especially if you run subs hot or have ported/IB subs without a strong HPF, be careful at the beginning.

Lots of unfiltered content below 20Hz that gets masked in the graphs by those tones, but it's there. Very good sound design overall, with only a little bit of clipping. Mostly it's carefully limited, as seen in the waveforms below. This is an example of being able to get the most out of the track when designing and mixing. Very good movie.

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It's far more than "interesting." It's an experience.
I dont know, as my better half said last night when I brought up some questions on the difference from the XS30-"let them ask me who knows nothing about this stuff, but I thought the walls were going to cave in and I swear the dog's bed was levitating at times-with the dog in it !". You gotta love the woman, she hates the way these things look but loves the final outcome . When I was looking for a new sub 3-4 years ago, I told her that I was asked by another ID vendor "Do you want Theater Experiance or IMAX?" Her response was "you said IMAX, right?" and she was not being sarcastic.

Anyway, I have the 2nd S3000i and will do as much as I can getting it integrated this weekend. I guess I really didn't need the second floor to stay up there anyway.
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I'm going to order that today. What else should I grab? Edge of Tomorrow and?

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Inception! Love the movie and a great bass movie. Chapter One was all I needed to play to know I was keeping the XS30SE over the V1500.
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