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re-ran auddey...here is 0.0 and -3dbfs


pretty darn good if you ask me
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^^ agree. This proves Aud set sub ~2-3db too low. I am centered at 112-113db with 0MV every time and I have run Aud about 1001 times.
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Would 4 inch bass traps mounted with a 2 inch spacer help in the 60-80hz range? Or do I need to go thicker?

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^^ agree. This proves Aud set sub ~2-3db too low. I am centered at 112-113db with 0MV every time and I have run Aud about 1001 times.

I usually need to boost mine 4-5db after XT32 runs.
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^^ agree. This proves Aud set sub ~2-3db too low. I am centered at 112-113db with 0MV every time and I have run Aud about 1001 times.
Tony, will my UMIK-1 clip (18dB gain) running a sweep 0 MV with sub calibrated correctly with Audyssey. Use -3dBFS correct? Also how do you run Audy XT32 SUB EQ HT with three subs like Brian has? TIA
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^^ correct. Your FR for sub channel should centered around 115db with 0MV or 85db with -30MV when measuring. Audyssey often sets sub level lower than what it should be. I only have two subs but to connect more than two, you just need a Y cable adapter out of one of the AVR sub out. It is recommended to connect the Y to a pair of subs that are equidistant to MLP.
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Tony, will my UMIK-1 clip (18dB gain) running a sweep 0 MV with sub calibrated correctly with Audyssey. Use -3dBFS correct? Also how do you run Audy XT32 SUB EQ HT with three subs like Brian has? TIA
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Yes, your UMIK-1 will clip at that MV setting if you are reference capable (an 18dB UMIK-1 will clip somewhere between 105dB and 110dB. If you're using HDMI channel 4 for your sweeps, you're looking for 115dB to be reference-capable.

SubEQ HT will not be able to independently configure more than 2 subwoofers. Once you go beyond 2, you'll need to do things manually using something like the MiniDSP (you MAYBE could get away with it if you stacked 2 of the 3).
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If you do not have Audyssey SUB EQ HT but you have multiply sub outs on your receiver then you have 2 options, you can either use a Y splitter or you can run a cable from each output to each sub because its wired internally as one output. If you plan on running 3 XS30se and you are NOT going to upgrade to a XT32 SUB EQ receiver then it would be best to place them all in the front of the room at equal distances to the MLP as they will be calibrated as 1 sub, with XT32 SUB EQ you will have better placement options as each sub will be calibrated individually.

Just buy 2 more XS30SE and either put all 4 up front or 1 in each corner of the room. 4 up front, 2 in each corner should have the same output as 2 Triax. It's just a matter of time before we both have 4, 1 leads to 2 and 2 leads to 3 and 3 leads to 4.......
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Not always true...I am not using XT32 and I have 3 subs that are not all placed equidistant from the LP. The response is good, the headroom is plentiful, and the tactile sensation is insane.
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Not always true...I am not using XT32 and I have 3 subs that are not all placed equidistant from the LP. The response is good, the headroom is plentiful, and the tactile sensation is insane.
It's easier/less work is you have some sort of EQ that will do each sub individually.

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Hello all, I was watching a couple of movies last night (Pacific Rim, John Wick, and Exodus) got some weird noises a couple of times from my s1500. Is it possible that I was bottoming out the driver? I was only at -10 on my receiver and the bass is at -4db and the gain was at roughly the 12:30 to 1:00 oclock position on the sub. If i did bottom it out is it possible that this damaged the driver?
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you can not bottom out these subs...what you might be hearing is the limiter triggering or the input signal to the sub is clipping. The latter is a big problem that is not talked about much with any sub in general. dialing in the input gain and setting up the correct gain structure can yield significant gains in headroom.
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you can not bottom out these subs...what you might be hearing is the limiter triggering or the input signal to the sub is clipping. The latter is a big problem that is not talked about much with any sub in general. dialing in the input gain and setting up the correct gain structure can yield significant gains in headroom.
What ever it is, I sounds pretty bad. I went back through and watched a couple scenes of John Wick again at -20 and was still able to get it to do it. As I said earlier the gain is at roughly 1 o-clock and i'm at -4db on the receiver (Marantz 5008) I have ran Audyssey twice not and it does set the sub at -8 to -9db. I have the sub set up in a front corner in a roughly 2688 cubic foot room. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I can tell you the exact scene in the movie that's doing it, I figure it may have some super low bass in that particular scene.
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SubEQ HT will not be able to independently configure more than 2 subwoofers. Once you go beyond 2, you'll need to do things manually using something like the MiniDSP (you MAYBE could get away with it if you stacked 2 of the 3).
How about if you stack two subs on each side of a sofa?
Or if you co-locate three or four subs?

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I probably should have kept the XV15se I had as my primary use is movies, but my wife wasn't into how that sub pressurized the room or the size of it. Overall I am extremely impressed with the S1500 and want to get it working properly, without hopefully having to invest in a mini dsp or something of that nature. I did try it with the gain at 12 and the sub at -8db but wasn't getting amount of bass that I would like.
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How about if you stack two subs on each side of a sofa?
Or if you co-locate three or four subs?
The primary issue is that SubEQ can only apply EQ to individual subwoofers it can see. Once you employ a Y-splitter to split an individual signal, SubEQ sees those two subwoofers as a single unit. The closer you can put them together, you're likely to see better results. Theoretically, you can take it as far as you want. In practice, I have no idea what the end results will be.

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I probably should have kept the XV15se I had as my primary use is movies, but my wife wasn't into how that sub pressurized the room or the size of it. Overall I am extremely impressed with the S1500 and want to get it working properly, without hopefully having to invest in a mini dsp or something of that nature. I did try it with the gain at 12 and the sub at -8db but wasn't getting amount of bass that I would like.
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Had the S1500 delivered yesterday. I ran Audyssey this morning and it came back at –14.5. All knobs are set at 12 o’clock and all speakers are set to small. I’m not getting the “thump” I’m used to. I go back and forth between my old sub and the S1500 and the old has more “thump.” I will say that the S1500 sounds much “smoother,” and maybe that is the way its supposed to sound, but in order the get the thump I have to turn the gain to 3 o’clock. CDs sound very quiet at 12 o’clock. This just may be a listening adjustment going from a 100W, 16-year-old sub to the PSA, but I want to make sure I’m not missing something. It could also be one is ported and the other isn't.
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After running Audysey, turn up the sub trim in your AVR 3-6 dB(between -11.5 and -8.5). Don't touch the gain knob after Audysey as you don't know if you are turning the sub up 2, 5, 10, or 20 dB. This 3-6 dB increase in output post Audysey should give you what you are looking for.

Also, if there is a crossover setting, it should not be randomly set to 12:00. Max it out...might be labeled as 150 when turned to full. Otherwise, you will be adding a crossover slope to your sub on top of the crossover slope that your AVR already applied.
Maybe those two quotes will help you. I did the crawl again the other day and relocated the S1500 4 feet to my left. It is now set at -3.0db and it is clearly noticeable.
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Maybe those two quotes will help you. I did the crawl again the other day and relocated the S1500 4 feet to my left. It is now set at -3.0db and it is clearly noticeable.
Thanks for the reply, Im going to keep messing with it. The output is close to where I want it i just dont like hearing it make that noise.
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turn off dynamic eq if it is on...sounds like the low end is over boosted, or try dialing back the room control setting.
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I had the room control set to small. I didn't even think about the dynamic eq especially at -10 that just might be the issue. Thanks.
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I had the room control set to small. I didn't even think about the dynamic eq especially at -10 that just might be the issue. Thanks.


you want to calibrate audy with the room control set large so it does not apply any boost down low, then dial it back to small post audy. do this if turning dynamic eq off leaves the bass a little thin sounding.
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Yes, your UMIK-1 will clip at that MV setting if you are reference capable (an 18dB UMIK-1 will clip somewhere between 105dB and 110dB. If you're using HDMI channel 4 for your sweeps, you're looking for 115dB to be reference-capable.


I really want to run the compression sweeps, I guess I have to go into the mic and physically change the gain to 12dB and - 6dB on the SENS FACTOR. I don't know how I got a 18dB UMIK-1 when I thought the default was 12 dB? I hope I don't break the mic opening it.

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Sens factor

Here is my original SENS FACTOR at 18dB gain:

"Sens Factor =0.6814dB, SERNO: 7005070"

"Sens Factor =-5.3186, SERNO: 7005070"

Does this like the correct cal file -6dB after subtracting it to make it 12dB? TIA

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I don't know how I got a 18dB UMIK-1 when I thought the default was 12 dB? I hope I don't break the mic opening it.
From what I understand, they switched the default to 18dB a while back.

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you want to calibrate audy with the room control set large so it does not apply any boost down low, then dial it back to small post audy. do this if turning dynamic eq off leaves the bass a little thin sounding.
Thanks, this is the kind of setup info I was looking for. I never knew to do that.
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From what I understand, they switched the default to 18dB a while back.
Thanks I didn't know that, according to Jerry Austin all the graphs posted there are with the 12 dB gain and suggested I do that. He told me how to make sure I set the SENS FACTOR correct after changing the gain. Do you B or anybody have any reco's on how to keep the mini USB end connected to the mic, every time I try and move the boom stand REW loses the UMIK-1 and I have to reboot REW, thanks.
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turn off dynamic eq if it is on...sounds like the low end is over boosted, or try dialing back the room control setting.
Do most leave the D EQ off after Audy calibration? Also with XT32 is it worth doing all 8 mic spots if you're only concerned with the money seat? Thanks
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^^ I think it's the opposite that most turns DynEQ on to boost bass as the MV gets lower than reference. If you do not listen at or above reference, I suggest to turn it on. At reference or higher level, DynEQ does not do anything. Turn it on/off and compare for yourself. At my norm -15MV level, the difference in bass is HUGE. Yes, I always use 8 position even if I am the only one who cares. The more data, the better Aud applies the proper filters. Regarding changing your mic sensitivity, does REW clip when you try to measure with 0MV? Does your pair compress at that 0MV? If yes to both, then you do not need to change your mic sensitivity.
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Do most leave the D EQ off after Audy calibration? Also with XT32 is it worth doing all 8 mic spots if you're only concerned with the money seat? Thanks
I leave Dyn EQ off, in both the blu-ray player as well as the pre-amp. Dyn EQ will just add extra processing to the sound, which I try to avoid after the Aud XT does it's job. It is definitely worth doing all 8 mic spots for Audyssey, you may, for your own sake do one run with only 2-3 mic spots and then after that do all 8 spots, the difference is quite audible.
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