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after being almost certain to buy the PB13 ultra, however I decided to do a little more research. after reading up and then talking with Tom V. (certainly wish all companies had a clone of Tom) I am now 100% positive I want to go with PSA. my dilemma is only deciding between the dual XV15's or single V30? because of placement possibilities I am forced to have the subs at the rear portion of the room where the seating is. my main question would be: do you think that I would have as much "tactile response" with one V30 (positioned about 3 ft. to the left of the couch) as opposed to two v15's (one on each side) ? the room is 12 X 25, 8ft. ceiling, and tile floors.
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I would say if your budget allows for it go with dual XV15's, they'd only have about a 1db advantage over a single XV30 but duals with help smooth out the bass and help with room modes and nulls.
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after being almost certain to buy the PB13 ultra, however I decided to do a little more research. after reading up and then talking with Tom V. (certainly wish all companies had a clone of Tom) I am now 100% positive I want to go with PSA. my dilemma is only deciding between the dual XV15's or single V30? because of placement possibilities I am forced to have the subs at the rear portion of the room where the seating is. my main question would be: do you think that I would have as much "tactile response" with one V30 (positioned about 3 ft. to the left of the couch) as opposed to two v15's (one on each side) ? the room is 12 X 25, 8ft. ceiling, and tile floors.

Get the xs30 then if the room needs more add a second down the road. that's what I am going to do.

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after being almost certain to buy the PB13 ultra, however I decided to do a little more research. after reading up and then talking with Tom V. (certainly wish all companies had a clone of Tom) I am now 100% positive I want to go with PSA. my dilemma is only deciding between the dual XV15's or single V30? because of placement possibilities I am forced to have the subs at the rear portion of the room where the seating is. my main question would be: do you think that I would have as much "tactile response" with one V30 (positioned about 3 ft. to the left of the couch) as opposed to two v15's (one on each side) ? the room is 12 X 25, 8ft. ceiling, and tile floors.
That's a tough one because of the nearfield placement. I would say go with the XV30 if you are only concerned about one seating position right next to the couch. If you need better coverage throughout your room go with the dual XV-15s for better response. Regardless of what I say, check with Tom...he will not steer you in the wrong direction. He is not a used car salesman and will not over sell you.
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That's a tough one because of the nearfield placement. I would say go with the XV30 if you are only concerned about one seating position right next to the couch. If you need better coverage throughout your room go with the dual XV-15s for better response. Regardless of what I say, check with Tom...he will not steer you in the wrong direction. He is not a used car salesman and will not over sell you.

I spent the better part of the afternoon chatting with tom via emails( since I had the day off). He said go with the xs-30 over dual 15's. He also recommended the XS30 over the XV30 because it will have more mid bass output and extend lower. The XV30 however will have slightly more low end output. He also believes one quality sub will fill the room enough in most cases and a second is not going to offer much(that of course is when comparing the xs30 to 2 lesser subs). My room is a 20x15 with a 6ft opening to my foyer and den in the side. Check my thread for pics...

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@Walke108, I have zero doubt in placing my utmost trust in Tom. its just difficult to get a true idea of what the actual sound/feel of subs of this nature (I have only experienced a klipsch sub12, and an even lesser velodyne model) will bring to my HT.
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@basshead81, is a sealed sub more suited for music? that has been my prevailing thought. of course I am still am an idiot in this area lol. my listening preference is 70% movies 30 for music.
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buxfan, here's a link to a worth while read on a users review of the XS30.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/home-audio-subwoofers/64133-power-sound-audio-xs30-first-impressions.html
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@basshead81, is a sealed sub more suited for music? that has been my prevailing thought. of course I am still am an idiot in this area lol. my listening preference is 70% movies 30 for music.

according to Tom the xs30 does both very well. the xv30 is going to offer slightly more output between 20-30hz but the xs30 will extend down to around 7hz. so yes the xv30 is taylored more towards home theatre but it also is the size of a end table. for me the xs30 was a clear winner for its size, output, flexability, and price.

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@jbrown & basshead81, having owned and only hearing ported subs I am just nervous about any changes I might not care for. the one thing I picture in my mind happening is that with a ported sub one would get that kind "whoosh" of air movement. with a sealed sub (in my mind at least) that same response would not be present. as far as size I have the room to accommodate and quite like the idea of a massive sub box in the room that immediately grabs peoples attention. so the XV30 is not a problem there. I am still just down to the bare question. maybe someone here has a single V30 and around the same room measurements that I have. if so that person can let me know how much slam and shake they experience. much thanks to all that have chimed in, I am learning more.
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Sorry are you trying to describe port noise or the sub moving air and pressurizing your room?
I can assure you that a XS30 can pressurize your room. You should send Reefdvr27 a pm, he's had a XS30 and returned it for a XV30 I believe and now has dual XV30's from what I remember.
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@jbrown & basshead81, having owned and only hearing ported subs I am just nervous about any changes I might not care for. the one thing I picture in my mind happening is that with a ported sub one would get that kind "whoosh" of air movement. with a sealed sub (in my mind at least) that same response would not be present. as far as size I have the room to accommodate and quite like the idea of a massive sub box in the room that immediately grabs peoples attention. so the XV30 is not a problem there. I am still just down to the bare question. maybe someone here has a single V30 and around the same room measurements that I have. if so that person can let me know how much slam and shake they experience. much thanks to all that have chimed in, I am learning more.

See im the opposite, i dont want to hear port noise. a sealed sub will always have the flattest response. To be honest I went with Toms advice and rolled with it. I can always ship it back, but I got a feeling thats not going to happen.

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does it also matter that I am trying to match up the low end with my towers. which I will be employing four RTI A9's and CSI A9 center channel? receiver is onkyo tx-nr818 and a sherbourn 5 channel amp. would this be a nice "blend" ?
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does it also matter that I am trying to match up the low end with my towers. which I will be employing four RTI A9's and CSI A9 center channel? receiver is onkyo tx-nr818 and a sherbourn 5 channel amp. would this be a nice "blend" ?

well my setup is slightly smaller. im running RTI-A7 bi-amped and a CSI-A4 center. the A9 offers no more lower extension than the 7, so I would still say get the XS-30 but Tom will know best. wait to hear back from him.

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actually I made a mistake that was meant to be CSI A6 center. I am quite sure that Toms response (sorry lack of sleep from 2 jobs, and dealing with my cat dying I am forgetting stuff) was for me to go with dual XV15's. my hope was just to hear from people that have experienced firsthand these subs. I will take jbrown's advice and PM that one member.
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Sorry you're trying match the low end of your towers? Your towers will never match the low end of a PSA sub.

If your choice is two XV15's or a single XV30, I personally still think you're better off going with dual XV15's. Now if you're possibly thinking about going with dual XS30's instead then yes 100% do that.

The XV15 has a very small advantage over a XS30 from about 30hz down to 18hz of maybe 1db, which certainly wouldn't really be noticeable. But below that the XS30 would have an output advantage and above 30Hz you would need roughly two XV15's to equal one XS30.

If you're looking for that "slam" bass, that happens in middle bass so above 30hz. That is where a XS30 really excels.
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Sorry you're trying match the low end of your towers? Your towers will never match the low end of a PSA sub.

If your choice is two XV15's or a single XV30, I personally still think you're better off going with dual XV15's. Now if you're possibly thinking about going with dual XS30's instead then yes 100% do that.

The XV15 has a very small advantage over a XS30 from about 30hz down to 18hz of maybe 1db, which certainly wouldn't really be noticeable. But below that the XS30 would have an output advantage and above 30Hz you would need roughly two XV15's to equal one XS30.

If you're looking for that "slam" bass, that happens in middle bass so above 30hz. That is where a XS30 really excels.

i had a talk with my uncle last night ( easter party ) hes musician , and i was talking to him about the bass that punch u in the chest ( like in explosion or things like that ) he sais its pretty much the same as a Drum's bassdrum.. and it was auround 120hz , so i started to wonder why we always put 80hz crossover if its auround 120hz !? we pretty much want the sub to deal with that bass and not the other drivers .. sry a bit off topic but your post made me think at that .
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I'm planning to order an XS30 in another month or so, and I've been wondering if any of the XS30 owners here are using a higher crossover (higher than 80Hz) to take advantage of the XS30's prowess in the mid-bass region.

I'll have to experiment, of course, to see what works best with my gear, in my room. My mains are Paradigm Studio 40 v4, powered by an Emotiva XPA-5, and I get pretty good mid-bass slam from them already.

Still, I'm curious to hear what the XS30 owners have to say on the subject.

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i had a talk with my uncle last night ( easter party ) hes musician , and i was talking to him about the bass that punch u in the chest ( like in explosion or things like that ) he sais its pretty much the same as a Drum's bassdrum.. and it was auround 120hz , so i started to wonder why we always put 80hz crossover if its auround 120hz !? we pretty much want the sub to deal with that bass and not the other drivers .. sry a bit off topic but your post made me think at that .

That thump in your chest from your sub isn't happening up at 120hz. it will most likely be strongest from 50-80hz.
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I'm planning to order an XS30 in another month or so, and I've been wondering if any of the XS30 owners here are using a higher crossover (higher than 80Hz) to take advantage of the XS30's prowess in the mid-bass region.

I'll have to experiment, of course, to see what works best with my gear, in my room. My mains are Paradigm Studio 40 v4, powered by an Emotiva XPA-5, and I get pretty good mid-bass slam from them already.

Still, I'm curious to hear what the XS30 owners have to say on the subject.

When I first got my XS30's I had them crossed at 150hz, but as I started to play more movies threw them I've settled at around 110hz. They seem to be working really well in my system crossed right around there, of course when I great my new main speakers I'll try a few other things to see how the whole thing sounds.
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What mains are you running now, and what will you be replacing them with?

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I'm currently running my dual XS15s (positioned up front) at 110hz.
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What mains are you running now, and what will you be replacing them with?

Right now I'm just using some older JBL Northridge E80 towers and EC35 center channel that I've had for about 8 years. Funny enough they actually sound pretty good for what they are. And I'm replacing them with JTR Noesis 228HT speakers, which will be a massive step up in every way.

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Thanks for the info, guys. I'll definitely have to experiment with higher crossovers when it comes time to get mine dialed-in.

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Thanks for the info, guys. I'll definitely have to experiment with higher crossovers when it comes time to get mine dialed-in.

I have dual XS-30's and have them crossed at 120. I have Golden Ear SuperSat 50's. I haven't tried them at 150, maybe an experiment down the road.
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Joy today! My XS15 just arrived (ordered Feb 18 just at the start of the PSA dry spell). Dialing her in now... my first sub!

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I have dual XS-30's and have them crossed at 120. I have Golden Ear SuperSat 50's. I haven't tried them at 150, maybe an experiment down the road.


I'd love to hear your thoughts on how that combination sounds for music.

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Joy today! My XS15 just arrived (ordered Feb 18 just at the start of the PSA dry spell). Dialing her in now... my first sub!

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