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I really DO need those PSA's

Hello all, so in trying to make sure that what I thought I need is really what I do do need I bought UMIK-1, finally got REW to work with myMacBook Air only with headphone output and RCA's (HDMI did not want to work...).

Took some measurements, I hope I did all well looking at some posts earlier on the thread as well as the REW manual.
It is official that my built in subs in the BP70001 towers fizzle out at about 22-23 Hz. So, S1500 vs XS15se duals are needed . ( had subs gain at 10 o'clock). Also true that I need more room treatments, I think.
Also here are the comparisons of how Antimode 8033 works in flat mode vs bypassing its effects.
And then how Audyssey compares to no Audy with the Center channel running and second comparison is with LRs. ( Audyssey has CC crossed at 120 Hz and LRs at 80Hz).

Please chime in with your thoughts.
Interesting that Antimode smooths the 25-38 bump, but then it null on 35Hz shows up, Odyssey is able to clear that some. If I read these things right.

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Hello all, so in trying to make sure that what I thought I need is really what I do do need I bought UMIK-1, finally got REW to work with myMacBook Air only with headphone output and RCA's (HDMI did not want to work...).

Took some measurements, I hope I did all well looking at some posts earlier on the thread as well as the REW manual.
It is official that my built in subs in the BP70001 towers fizzle out at about 22-23 Hz. So, S1500 vs XS15se duals are needed . ( had subs gain at 10 o'clock). Also true that I need more room treatments, I think.
Also here are the comparisons of how Antimode 8033 works in flat mode vs bypassing its effects.
And then how Audyssey compares to no Audy with the Center channel running and second comparison is with LRs. ( Audyssey has CC crossed at 120 Hz and LRs at 80Hz).

Please chime in with your thoughts.
Interesting that Antimode smooths the 25-38 bump, but then it null on 35Hz shows up, Odyssey is able to clear that some. If I read these things right.

Thanks!

I'm not clear here...do you currently have dual XS15s??

Are you running the Antimode before or after you run Audyssey? I would recommend post-Audyssey, although I'm not very familiar with the Antimode, I prefer EQ'ing post-Audyssey.

You're response isn't looking so good....I'd say the best of the bunch is the "aud 10 flat" graph, but that still needs a lot of work. You have an almost 20db rise from 38-25hz, not sure what would cause that though. What are the dimensions of your room? Is it sealed?

That huge dip around 90hz is bad too....does that show up in your CC and FL/R graphs as well (without subs)?
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I'm not clear here...do you currently have dual XS15s??

Are you running the Antimode before or after you run Audyssey? I would recommend post-Audyssey, although I'm not very familiar with the Antimode, I prefer EQ'ing post-Audyssey.

You're response isn't looking so good....I'd say the best of the bunch is the "aud 10 flat" graph, but that still needs a lot of work. You have an almost 20db rise from 38-25hz, not sure what would cause that though. What are the dimensions of your room? Is it sealed?

That huge dip around 90hz is bad too....does that show up in your CC and FL/R graphs as well (without subs)?
No,do not have XS15's, what is here are just the Supercubes built in to my towers ( Def Tech BP7001's). I plan to upgrade to XS15's or S1500's.
It is a sealed 13Wx15L ft room. I know that the response look a bit rocky. Aud 10 flat basically means that this was With audyssey and Antimode together at -10 MV( flat means no other boost done by Antimode.
Antimode manual suggested to EQ before Audyssey, then run Audyssey to smooth out the diffrerence. I might try the other way at some point when I have more time( quiet house).

Its interesting the 90Hz huge dip was using LR+subs, when I ran it today with CC+ subs there was no dip, actually a bit of bulge. Also waterfall graph I did running it at -10MV with subs and CC showed a lot of reverb in 80-100 HZ range, also getting a fair amount of reverb in 20-30 range...
I did not yet run the LCR without the subs yet.

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FWIW, for most folks who have "built-in" subwoofers in their main speakers it is most often recommended to disable them completely and get "competent" subwoofers.

And...from looking at your graphs, I would say that would be your best plan of action at this point.
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Oh, I know, I was just lazy and had other priorities in last few years, hence used the handy built-ins.
Now though, I can set my HT properly, and just picking the right solution and trying to learn a few things along the way.

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Compression Sweep

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I'm moving all my stuff around and really don't have anything setup. I just plopped my XS30SEs down and ran a quick Audy XT only to get my sub's levels set to the proper level to run a compression sweep. It really looks nasty from 10 to 40 Hz. I don't understand the graph at all. I started at -15 dB to -10 to -5dB then 0 MV. It doesn't look like that though does it? Advice please, I'm not worried as I have a lot of work to do yet and don't have anything where it's going to be. I don't have Audy XT32 SUB EQ hooked up yet either.


Please advice what I did wrong with the compression sweeps. TIA


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^^ Compression sweeps finally, congrats Jeff. From your graph, your subs start to compress close to reference 0MV. That is the null at around 33-35hz which means time to push subs and/or move your MLP. Other than that your FR is very good, +-2db up to 180hz . Here is what I would do:
1. Gain matched your subs.
2. Hook up your new XT32 subeqHT receiver and run the first mic audyssey.
3. Measure FR for sub one with and without Aud
4. Measure FR for sub two with and without Aud
5. Overlay their graphs to see which sub is the problem.
6. Measure both subs with and without Aud.
post all the graphs and see if we can help.
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You are compressing hard after -5db...I would probably not do any 0 sweeps with that much compression. Also the graph is not scaled right. 5db increments vertical, 10hz increments horizontal.
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Use log scale on your graphs. To interpret the compression sweeps, you can place the cursor at a given frequency and look at the dB reading. You should see a 5 dB increase, when it starts to drop below 5 dB from sweep to sweep, you have compression setting in. So the good news is that you have successfully done a compression sweep. Now just use the logarithmic scaling and get the subs set up in better locations or whatever you need to do to fix the nulls.
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Thanks Guys for all the advice, I just wanted to let you know that the subs were just placed almost in the middle of the room with no boundaries to get some added room gain. I had no intention of trying to dial them in or find the best spot for them yet. I just wanted to run compression sweeps. I didn't realize my horizontal increments were not 10dB I was more concerned with the vertical 5dB increments.

I'm just happy to know I can get this type of FR from just this random placement. It has me a bit excited that I even did this. REW is starting to behave and I'm becoming more comfortable using it. I will try all the things Tony and the rest of you guys suggested and get back with some real measurements from ideal sub locations and primary seating arrangements, like I said my HT looks like a battle field right now with power cords (extensions) thirty foot sub cables, components stacked all over the place and so on.

The misses just shakes her head but does not interfere I'll be back and again thanks for all the help.

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Use log scale on your graphs. To interpret the compression sweeps, you can place the cursor at a given frequency and look at the dB reading. You should see a 5 dB increase, when it starts to drop below 5 dB from sweep to sweep, you have compression setting in. So the good news is that you have successfully done a compression sweep. Now just use the logarithmic scaling and get the subs set up in better locations or whatever you need to do to fix the nulls.
Bear where is log scales, will I know it when I see it? TIA
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Bear where is log scales, will I know it when I see it? TIA
Just click on the Freq. Axis window. It will toggle your graph back and forth between linear and logarithmic scaling. Hopefully in another week or so I will have dual subs set up again with compression testing and what I hope will be a good response.
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Just click on the Freq. Axis window. It will toggle your graph back and forth between linear and logarithmic scaling. Hopefully in another week or so I will have dual subs set up again with compression testing and what I hope will be a good response.
Bear: Are you doing the exact same build as your first 18 inch sub?

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Bear: Are you doing the exact same build as your first 18 inch sub?
Not quite. Same cab (4ft^3 sealed), driven off a channel of the same amp (inuke6000dsp), but HST-18 driver instead of HT-18.
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REW is awfully fun to play with, before you know it 4 hrs are gone. Seems like I always forget to make at least one measurement that I want to use later.
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Same here. I spent almost 6 hours dialing in dual S3000i but to be honest they just dont fit in the room with the way its arranged. I did manage to get some pretty good response by utilizing both Delay and Room Size function. Here is the graph without a tremendous amount of work, I'm sure I could get better.

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BUT as I said, 2 up front with the 210's on them look overbearing even to me as it is the living room. With that in mind, I went back to dialing in the single S3000i in the original location. No matter what I tried I was getting a 10db drop between 30-50hz. After using the room size while utilizing ARC's quick measure function, I managed to get lessen the dip but after running ARC, there it was again.

Finally while running quick measure I found that the sectional sofa has a dip in that area on the "left position" and a peak in the "corner" position in almost the same range. When running a 10 sweep EQ I would start at Left which is my favorite LP and also centered for the mains but would go all the way into the corner during the sweeps. Therefore the system was fighting itself in the 35-50hz range.

After using a smaller area that did not include the corner for "Left" and did not include left for "Corner", I got better results. Great result for Corner main position and good results for Left main position.

Of course Left is my primary-One nice ting that ARC does is allow to run and save for 2 selectable listening positions.

I have not done any measurements yet with the mains or center to see if they might actually be better than they look.

There is still more work to be done.

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Finally while running quick measure I found that the sectional sofa has a dip in that area on the "left position" and a peak in the "corner" position in almost the same range. When running a 10 sweep EQ I would start at Left which is my favorite LP and also centered for the mains but would go all the way into the corner during the sweeps. Therefore the system was fighting itself in the 35-50hz range.
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I have not done any measurements yet with the mains or center to see if they might actually be better than they look.

There is still more work to be done.
This might be something only wall treatments can address, otherwise you might end up chasing the tail by EQ-ing one position that will immidiately worsen the second LP. Have you run the waterfalls to see if there are modes happening ( I found room simulator quite helpful)

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This might be something only wall treatments can address, otherwise you might end up chasing the tail by EQ-ing one position that will immidiately worsen the second LP. Have you run the waterfalls to see if there are modes happening ( I found room simulator quite helpful)
Being really new to REW, I have not run waterfall. Also I didnt think of measuring with the mains or center to see what those looked like until everything was put away for the evening. Any insight would help.

As I mentioned Anthem allows you to have 2 listening positions, so for now my goal will be to get each one the best I can. If the room was set up differently I may be able to make the dual s3000i work. Possibly flipping the room and being able to expand the subs and mains into corners on a 12ft wall instead of squeezing them into a 7 foot wide space.
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Being really new to REW, I have not run waterfall. Also I didnt think of measuring with the mains or center to see what those looked like until everything was put away for the evening. Any insight would help.
I am new with REW as well, ( last week)
Found it easy to make, when you open a measurement graph just click on waterfall button 7th to the right form all SPL, then click generate on graph with freq 15-300 Hz and voila, just make sure ( they say) to have measurement where you are at least 40 dB above the noise floor to get good picture of the time decay of 300 ms, which causes reverberating ( ringing noise) if longer then that.

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Does anyone know when the V3600 is slated to be completed?? Looking for a possible single sub solution for big movie LFE to replace my PB13 with. I'd entertain duals, but a single sub is really the only option in my small'ish dedicated media room...

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If you want to give the Anti-Mode 2.0 dual core a try here just pop into chat. I can guarantee anything but I would be surprised if it didn't provide audible benefits for you.

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Does anyone know when the V3600 is slated to be completed?? Looking for a possible single sub solution for big movie LFE to replace my PB13 with. I'd entertain duals, but a single sub is really the only option in my small'ish dedicated media room...
We just need everyone to stop ordering our other products so Jim can finished the latest(and last hopefully) CAD drawing to send to the cabinet vendor.. Everything else is pretty much lined up now. The new 18s, the ICE amp modules, etc. Give us another week(ish) and I'll try to have everything updated.

ALSO---going from a single PB13u to the V3600 will be a significant upgrade!

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We just need everyone to stop ordering our other products so Jim can finished the latest(and last hopefully) CAD drawing to send to the cabinet vendor.. Everything else is pretty much lined up now. The new 18s, the ICE amp modules, etc. Give us another week(ish) and I'll try to have everything updated.

ALSO---going from a single PB13u to the V3600 will be a significant upgrade!

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Tom thanks so much -- timeline sounds like y'all are pretty much there with the design/dsp/and all. Now I've just got to get cranking on the sale of the PB13...

I look forward to seeing what the V3600 can do in my smaller room:

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We just need everyone to stop ordering our other products so Jim can finished the latest(and last hopefully) CAD drawing to send to the cabinet vendor.. Everything else is pretty much lined up now. The new 18s, the ICE amp modules, etc. Give us another week(ish) and I'll try to have everything updated.

ALSO---going from a single PB13u to the V3600 will be a significant upgrade!

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Hey all just wanted to pop in and say that I moved my sofa forward one foot and am now getting MUCH smoother response with my single XS30se. I'm absolutely in love with this sub! Counting down the days until I get a second one!

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@gbreda , if you find out how to get a flat even response with speakers and subs on a 7' plane I would be extremely interested, go for the 12'
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Hey all just wanted to pop in and say that I moved my sofa forward one foot and am now getting MUCH smoother response with my single XS30se. I'm absolutely in love with this sub! Counting down the days until I get a second one!
That's great.

I experienced the exact same thing and I posted about it about five months ago. I moved the couch forward eight inches and it helped a lot. Sadly I couldn't move it any further because it would make the room look odd (my wife didn't even like the 8 inches it was moved). But I took a measurement with the mic another foot forward and the response was even better, it was much smoother.

So I know where the sweet spot is but it's out of reach due to WAF.
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