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Anyone know what organ I can sell for $1799?

Hopefully it's something I have two of...
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Guys just a heads up a facebook update on the V3600!

https://www.facebook.com/powersoundaudio?_rdr

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Wow.

Looks like my dual VTF15's will be up for sale soon...
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Just figuring the 3db boost since my VTF15's are spread out, using PSA's numbers

hz--VTF15(2)--V3600

16/25--116.6--122.3 (+5.7db)
31/50--126.7--132.3 (+5.6db)
63/100--127.4--136 (+8.6db)
16/100--124.8--131.8 (+7.0db)
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Anyone know what organ I can sell for $1799?

Hopefully it's something I have two of...
For me it would have to be two of something I could do without for duals!!!

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For me it would have to be two of something I could do without for duals!!!
Well for me it would be testicles. Better get somthing for them before my wife cuts 'em off for buying these hahah
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I know that nobody really knows the numbers yet (besides Tom), but does anyone think that dual XV36s would be an upgrade from dual T-18s?
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It's pure speculation on my point, but if the XV36s had an advantage on the T-18s, it would be around the port tune, which is very possible. I would imagine everywhere else, the T-18s would be equal or better. @Tom Vodhanel will have to verify my speculation.
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Similar from about 30-120hz, slight edge to the T-18. Edge to the V3600 in the 16-30hz range. What you're getting with the T-18 is that last octave or so in true extension. say 12-15hz versus 5-7hz. $1799 is a crazy value. The regular pricing at $2299 and $2999 are more appropriate when comparing the two models IMO. Also, the T-18 is about half the height as well.

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Thanks for the info Tom. Very nice!

You think you guys are busy now, you just opened the flood gates with this addition. I don't know when you guys sleep!
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Nice work Tom and Jim, those numbers are excellent! I bet there will be tons of pre-orders for these beasties.
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This is just great… in the span of two hours I've already convinced myself I NEED a V3600. I need help.
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Damn that pre-order price is insane! Not crazy about the real price though Tom said before itd be well under 2k. I was expecting it to be 2k. It'll cost me (a returning SVS customer) $3610 for dual PB 13 Ultras. Duals of these are over 4k. Given how huge it is, the dual 18s, and those numbers Tom posted, it seems like it's the better deal is one can fork over like $700 more.


I am so anxious for people to get their hands on these so we can get some reviews/impressions of them. It might sway my decision between the PB 13s. I plan to order one of each and see what one I like best, then save for the second one. Bring on the actual pictures Tom!! I wanna see what this beast actually looks like for real...

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Damn that pre-order price is insane! Not crazy about the real price though Tom said before itd be well under 2k. I was expecting it to be 2k. It'll cost me (a returning SVS customer) $3610 for dual PB 13 Ultras. Duals of these are over 4k. Given how huge it is, the dual 18s, and those numbers Tom posted, it seems like it's the better deal is one can fork over like $700 more.


I am so anxious for people to get their hands on these so we can get some reviews/impressions of them. It might sway my decision between the PB 13s. I plan to order one of each and see what one I like best, then save for the second one. Bring on the actual pictures Tom!! I wanna see what this beast actually looks like for real...
Keep in mind one of these will beat a PB Ultra 13 maybe even two.

I mean look at how good the XV30FSE already is.

XV30FSE

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...d=106&mset=118



PBUltra 13 (15hz to get similar extension)

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=55&mset=55

And the V3600I is between 4.9-6.7DB ahead of the XV30FSE which is already a match for the PBUltra 13. And adding a second V3600I would just be a blow out.

If anything you should be looking at comparing the JTR 1400. The Ultra is simply out matched.

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Damn that pre-order price is insane! Not crazy about the real price though Tom said before itd be well under 2k. I was expecting it to be 2k. It'll cost me (a returning SVS customer) $3610 for dual PB 13 Ultras. Duals of these are over 4k. Given how huge it is, the dual 18s, and those numbers Tom posted, it seems like it's the better deal is one can fork over like $700 more.


I am so anxious for people to get their hands on these so we can get some reviews/impressions of them. It might sway my decision between the PB 13s. I plan to order one of each and see what one I like best, then save for the second one. Bring on the actual pictures Tom!! I wanna see what this beast actually looks like for real...


I am not understanding your sad face at all. The V3600 is going to simply hand the PB13U it's ass. Even at the regular price it is a deal. For a couple hundred dollars more you are getting twice the sub.

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V3600 16-100hz average - 122.8db


XV30se 16-100hz- 114.6db


PB13U 16-100hz - 113.2db

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I am not understanding your sad face at all. The V3600 is going to simply hand the PB13U it's ass.

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Wow that's a beast! I'm a little tempted to send my new dual v1500's back for one of these monsters as I'm still in my 30 day window. Loving the duals though and they already give me tons of headroom. Fun to think about though! These will make for some very happy campers in the near future (and aggravated neighbors probably!)
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Wow that's a beast! I'm a little tempted to send my new dual v1500's back for one of these monsters as I'm still in my 30 day window. Loving the duals though and they already give me tons of headroom. Fun to think about though! These will make for some very happy campers in the near future (and aggravated neighbors probably!)
By all means do it...

I look at it like this...at the rate new more powerful subs are being released, by the time I build a dedicated theater, PSA will have a sub so powerful my room will need to be a bomb shelter to contain them. So for now I wait, read, and drool!
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Got too excited and peed my pants.

Can't afford those now. Might sell the dog, wife, car and whatnot. Holy crap.
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Looks like the V3600 is going to hand the Captivator it's a** too!
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Looks like the V3600 is going to hand the Captivator it's a** too!
When comparing subwoofers, look at each frequency because an average wouldn't tell you the whole story. Producing high output on the lowend is the difficult task.
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I would guess they are going to be close on the low end with a 3db advantage to the V3600 up top.
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When comparing subwoofers, look at each frequency because an average wouldn't tell you the whole story. Producing high output on the lowend is the difficult task.
Jeff,

Good point! I'm only going off the numbers that were posted above which have not yet been verified by Josh or anyone else for that matter like the Captivator has.

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When comparing subwoofers, look at each frequency because an average wouldn't tell you the whole story. Producing high output on the lowend is the difficult task.
Sometimes these threads remind me of playground talk, "My dad is bigger than your dad." Competition in the ID market is at an all-time high. The consumer is the ultimate winner with fantastic choices and competitive pricing. I remember back when I bought my first sub back in 1995. There were only a handful of options and the were expensive when compared with the price/performance offerings today. In fact, I have to get another sub to replace that 1995 Def Tech. It just died the other day. Can't compain, I got 20 years of daily use out of it in the main TV room.
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I agree. I want more overall output, but less than 25hz is important. With the VTF15, it performs best in 2 ports open especially with low distortion, but below 25hz suffers. When you use 1 port open below 20hz comes up, but it cannot be pushed as hard. I like to run subs a little hot, and I watch movies pretty loud. I think that is why the VTF15mk2 has an upgraded driver and more powerful amp...
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Completed my Tascam DR44 sound demo with the MT-110's assisted by the S1500.


Near-field is the only way the recorder worked without grabbing the sound of the room.

Here is the review reviews.

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Good point! I'm only going off the numbers that were posted above which have not yet been verified by Josh or anyone else for that matter like the Captivator has.
I see them more as two subs with similar goals taking slightly different paths. I tend to agree with @basshead81 that they should be in the same ball park with the V3600I pulling away up top. In part because it has an extra driver and the Eminence drivers PSA uses have all been very good especially in the upper bass.

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I took a look at the Eminence website yesterday when I realized they were who PSA uses. They have some pretty pricey 18" drivers.
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It might sway my decision between the PB 13s. I plan to order one of each and see what one I like best, then save for the second one. Bring on the actual pictures Tom!! I wanna see what this beast actually looks like for real...
What about dual V1500s? It seems that a PB 13 Ultra performs similarly to a V1500. The V3600i is in a different league! Dual V1500s would be about the same price as a single PB 13 Ultra.
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I have a question, keeping in mind I have dual VTF15 mark 1's (about 4 db's less CEA vs the MK2). I really like the v3600, but would be trading the benefit of dual 15 spread out for a single sub with dual 18's be the best move, or upgrading to dual V1500's?



I guess when you look at the v3600 numbers vs dual V1500's (assuming 3db boost for duals)

1500--3600
119.7--122.3
127.5--132.3
129.7--136.0
126.8--131.8

The v3600 is still the better choice...
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If it helps, here is a pic of part of the room:




Room is rectangular, but the whole area is a "T". To the left of the speakers (facing them) is another chair and a wall. Wall with display and wall behind our seats (directly in front of display) is about 14 feet. If you note the right of the front right tower, there is another open area. The room bends to the left into the dining room, and to the right into the kitchen. The whole space is about 5400cuft.


Quick sketch and not to scale of course lol

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I would guess they are going to be close on the low end with a 3db advantage to the V3600 up top.
Here is what I came up with from the averages. Cap 1400 numbers are from DATABASS...



Yes. It looks like Cap 1400 would have ~2 dB advantage @ 16 Hz. It's really close from 25 Hz to 40 Hz. V3600 would have 2 ~ 4.5 dB in advantage from 50 Hz and up

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Damn that pre-order price is insane! Not crazy about the real price though Tom said before itd be well under 2k. I was expecting it to be 2k. It'll cost me (a returning SVS customer) $3610 for dual PB 13 Ultras. Duals of these are over 4k. Given how huge it is, the dual 18s, and those numbers Tom posted, it seems like it's the better deal is one can fork over like $700 more.


I am so anxious for people to get their hands on these so we can get some reviews/impressions of them. It might sway my decision between the PB 13s. I plan to order one of each and see what one I like best, then save for the second one. Bring on the actual pictures Tom!! I wanna see what this beast actually looks like for real...
Yeah, the last couple of quotes we got we're much higher than we anticipated---especially the cabinets. But when you consider the build quality and finish its hard to argue with them about cost...although we always do. These are not "industrial" finishes that we liken to pro audio or something we are hesitant to show close up hi-res shots. Our Satin Black gets near universal praise from customers even when placed in well lighted living areas.

svs really isn't a player in the ID *value* market anymore if we prioritize measurable performance. A single V3600 is going to compare well to dual pb13ultras imo with better sound quality too(based on the FR of the last three Ultra reviews that have been published). The ultras have tuning flexibility and finish options that may be important. Just depends on each individual.

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