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Looks like the V3600 is going to hand the Captivator it's a** too!
When comparing subwoofers, look at each frequency because an average wouldn't tell you the whole story. Producing high output on the lowend is the difficult task.
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I would guess they are going to be close on the low end with a 3db advantage to the V3600 up top.

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When comparing subwoofers, look at each frequency because an average wouldn't tell you the whole story. Producing high output on the lowend is the difficult task.
Jeff,

Good point! I'm only going off the numbers that were posted above which have not yet been verified by Josh or anyone else for that matter like the Captivator has.

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When comparing subwoofers, look at each frequency because an average wouldn't tell you the whole story. Producing high output on the lowend is the difficult task.
Sometimes these threads remind me of playground talk, "My dad is bigger than your dad." Competition in the ID market is at an all-time high. The consumer is the ultimate winner with fantastic choices and competitive pricing. I remember back when I bought my first sub back in 1995. There were only a handful of options and the were expensive when compared with the price/performance offerings today. In fact, I have to get another sub to replace that 1995 Def Tech. It just died the other day. Can't compain, I got 20 years of daily use out of it in the main TV room.
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I agree. I want more overall output, but less than 25hz is important. With the VTF15, it performs best in 2 ports open especially with low distortion, but below 25hz suffers. When you use 1 port open below 20hz comes up, but it cannot be pushed as hard. I like to run subs a little hot, and I watch movies pretty loud. I think that is why the VTF15mk2 has an upgraded driver and more powerful amp...
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Completed my Tascam DR44 sound demo with the MT-110's assisted by the S1500.


Near-field is the only way the recorder worked without grabbing the sound of the room.

Here is the review reviews.

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Good point! I'm only going off the numbers that were posted above which have not yet been verified by Josh or anyone else for that matter like the Captivator has.
I see them more as two subs with similar goals taking slightly different paths. I tend to agree with @basshead81 that they should be in the same ball park with the V3600I pulling away up top. In part because it has an extra driver and the Eminence drivers PSA uses have all been very good especially in the upper bass.

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I took a look at the Eminence website yesterday when I realized they were who PSA uses. They have some pretty pricey 18" drivers.
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It might sway my decision between the PB 13s. I plan to order one of each and see what one I like best, then save for the second one. Bring on the actual pictures Tom!! I wanna see what this beast actually looks like for real...
What about dual V1500s? It seems that a PB 13 Ultra performs similarly to a V1500. The V3600i is in a different league! Dual V1500s would be about the same price as a single PB 13 Ultra.
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I have a question, keeping in mind I have dual VTF15 mark 1's (about 4 db's less CEA vs the MK2). I really like the v3600, but would be trading the benefit of dual 15 spread out for a single sub with dual 18's be the best move, or upgrading to dual V1500's?



I guess when you look at the v3600 numbers vs dual V1500's (assuming 3db boost for duals)

1500--3600
119.7--122.3
127.5--132.3
129.7--136.0
126.8--131.8

The v3600 is still the better choice...
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I would guess they are going to be close on the low end with a 3db advantage to the V3600 up top.
Here is what I came up with from the averages. Cap 1400 numbers are from DATABASS...



Yes. It looks like Cap 1400 would have ~2 dB advantage @ 16 Hz. It's really close from 25 Hz to 40 Hz. V3600 would have 2 ~ 4.5 dB in advantage from 50 Hz and up

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Damn that pre-order price is insane! Not crazy about the real price though Tom said before itd be well under 2k. I was expecting it to be 2k. It'll cost me (a returning SVS customer) $3610 for dual PB 13 Ultras. Duals of these are over 4k. Given how huge it is, the dual 18s, and those numbers Tom posted, it seems like it's the better deal is one can fork over like $700 more.


I am so anxious for people to get their hands on these so we can get some reviews/impressions of them. It might sway my decision between the PB 13s. I plan to order one of each and see what one I like best, then save for the second one. Bring on the actual pictures Tom!! I wanna see what this beast actually looks like for real...
Yeah, the last couple of quotes we got we're much higher than we anticipated---especially the cabinets. But when you consider the build quality and finish its hard to argue with them about cost...although we always do. These are not "industrial" finishes that we liken to pro audio or something we are hesitant to show close up hi-res shots. Our Satin Black gets near universal praise from customers even when placed in well lighted living areas.

svs really isn't a player in the ID *value* market anymore if we prioritize measurable performance. A single V3600 is going to compare well to dual pb13ultras imo with better sound quality too(based on the FR of the last three Ultra reviews that have been published). The ultras have tuning flexibility and finish options that may be important. Just depends on each individual.

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Completed my Tascam DR44 sound demo with the MT-110's assisted by the S1500.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uhGIXovcmw

Near-field is the only way the recorder worked without grabbing the sound of the room.

Here is the review review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejZo_Cvw4KM

Great job, I just saw your videos (all three recent PSA videos) thanks for sharing your experience with us. I also found your WAF speaker video hilarious... and a little sad
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When comparing subwoofers, look at each frequency because an average wouldn't tell you the whole story. Producing high output on the lowend is the difficult task.
Looking at all the data on the cap I'd guess the two will sound much more alike than different. IMO you're getting class leading performance either way.

I would hesitate to label any particular performance ability as "easy" or "hard" though. We've seen examples of the "big box, big driver, big amp" mentality with terrific deep bass output----and pi** poor performance in most other metrics.

I think its' more accurate to say---producing high output at all frequencies while maintain a linear FR and measuring well in all the sound quality metrics is the difficult task. The cap14 does really well here.

I would also caution against trying to judge two subwoofers based on a small cross section of a CEA graph or worse yet...a single frequency.

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So who pulled the trigger first on the V3600?
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So who pulled the trigger first on the V3600?
Tom said I was number 6 /7 or either 7/8. We definitely have some lurkers in the midst.
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I agree wholeheartedly. The satin black finish is not only very durable but it does have a slight glimmer to it that makes it look less industrial than the online photos suggest.

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I have a question, keeping in mind I have dual VTF15 mark 1's (about 4 db's less CEA vs the MK2). I really like the v3600, but would be trading the benefit of dual 15 spread out for a single sub with dual 18's be the best move, or upgrading to dual V1500's?
I would always opt for dual (I mean separate) subs rather than one single powerful sub. Dual V1500s would definitely have more output than the VTF15 mark 1's (basing this only off looking at the graphs) but I wonder if such an expensive upgrade would be worth it. Might as well go BIG and get two V3600s!!!

I'm only kidding!
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What about dual V1500s? It seems that a PB 13 Ultra performs similarly to a V1500. The V3600i is in a different league! Dual V1500s would be about the same price as a single PB 13 Ultra.

To me, the PB 13 Ultra looks so much nicer than a V1500. Its more pleasing to my eye at least, so I wouldn't go V1500 just based on looks. However, going with the V3600i for only a couple hundred more seems like it would be well worth it, even though I still find the PB 13 Ultra to be a better looking sub. The advantage in performance seems to be so much that I'd overlook how it looks. Don't get me wrong. PSA subs don't look bad; I just prefer the SVS' look.

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Tom said I was number 6 /7 or either 7/8. We definitely have some lurkers in the midst.

Please post your impressions with us when you get it! Pictures etc. would be very much appreciated. I would love to see an unboxing video of that beast as well

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To me, the PB 13 Ultra looks so much nicer than a V1500. Its more pleasing to my eye at least, so I wouldn't go V1500 just based on looks. However, going with the V3600i for only a couple hundred more seems like it would be well worth it, even though I still find the PB 13 Ultra to be a better looking sub. The advantage in performance seems to be so much that I'd overlook how it looks. Don't get me wrong. PSA subs don't look bad; I just prefer the SVS' look.
I understand looks might be important to you. Maybe hold off until you see PSA's veneer options. A veneered subwoofer IMO would look much better than a glossy piano black box from SVS.
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To me, the PB 13 Ultra looks so much nicer than a V1500. Its more pleasing to my eye at least, so I wouldn't go V1500 just based on looks. However, going with the V3600i for only a couple hundred more seems like it would be well worth it, even though I still find the PB 13 Ultra to be a better looking sub. The advantage in performance seems to be so much that I'd overlook how it looks. Don't get me wrong. PSA subs don't look bad; I just prefer the SVS' look.
I understand your thinking but personally I never spend anytime looking at my subwoofers so I don't worry about what they look like... all I care about is what they sound like. But I do understand that I may be strange when it comes to not caring about the looks.

Having said that it really doesn't matter because I actually really like the PSA finish. It's so much better looking to me than a vinyl wrap and nice wood finishes cost to much IMO.
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I understand your thinking but personally I never spend anytime looking at my subwoofers so I don't worry about what they look like... all I care about is what they sound like. But I do understand that I may be strange when it comes to not caring about the looks.

Having said that it really doesn't matter because I actually really like the PSA finish. It's so much better looking to me than a vinyl wrap and nice wood finishes cost to much IMO.
I agree with you Hop, I had a Mirage BPS400 sub and it had a piano black top that looked great. I was a little worried looks wise when I ordered my first XS30SE but I told myself I rather have performance over looks. I actually love the look of PSA subs, they just have that bad ass look like they can take a beating. I was very surprised when the first one arrived, theses subs definitely look better in person.
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I agree with you Hop, I had a Mirage BPS400 sub and it had a piano black top that looked great. I was a little worried looks wise when I order my first XS30SE but I told myself I rather have performance over looks. I actually love the look of PSA subs, they just have that bad ass look like they can take a beating. I was very surprised when I the first one arrived, theses subs definitely look better in person.
Yep. These subs have a look that says: "Bring it on!
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To me, the PB 13 Ultra looks so much nicer than a V1500. Its more pleasing to my eye at least, so I wouldn't go V1500 just based on looks. However, going with the V3600i for only a couple hundred more seems like it would be well worth it, even though I still find the PB 13 Ultra to be a better looking sub. The advantage in performance seems to be so much that I'd overlook how it looks. Don't get me wrong. PSA subs don't look bad; I just prefer the SVS' look.
Yeah, Its hard to argue with that. The PB13ultra just looks more "high end". Cool looking driver cone, triple porting, and gloss black---high cool factor for sure. When you have all production in china you have manufacturing options that would be prohibitively expensive on USA soil. I know I've said it before but Jim and Stephen(Ponte) just killed that design back in 2007. Think about it---8(!) years later and it is still often talked about as a "reference" product in many regards.

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I always thought a fabric wrap clam-shell with basic plastic underframe would be the cheapest and easiest modification to pretty up a big item like a subwoofer. Who doesn't want denim or zebra print over their sub? An 1/8" of foam, some designer prints and bam. Like a Toaster Cozy.

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Yeah, Its hard to argue with that. The PB13ultra just looks more "high end". Cool looking driver cone, triple porting, and gloss black---high cool factor for sure. When you have all production in china you have manufacturing options that would be prohibitively expensive on USA soil. I know I've said it before but Jim and Stephen(Ponte) just killed that design back in 2007. Think about it---8(!) years later and it is still often talked about as a "reference" product in many regards.

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Tom, how would the 3600 pair with the PB13U? I know I should take delivery of the 210s I have already paid for before even thinking of a sub upgrade ( ), but was just curious as I have thought about replacing my 12/2 Ultra (running 3 PB13s and the 12/2 right now) with something better at some point (to use along with the PB13s) which the 3600 clearly would be! The 12/2 has given me about 11 years of awesome service, so I have more than got my $$$ worth out of it at this point.

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Tom, how would the 3600 pair with the PB13U? I know I should take delivery of the 210s I have already paid for before even thinking of a sub upgrade ( ), but was just curious as I have thought about replacing my 12/2 Ultra (running 3 PB13s and the 12/2 right now) with something better at some point (to use along with the PB13s) which the 3600 clearly would be! The 12/2 has given me about 11 years of awesome service, so I have more than got my $$$ worth out of it at this point.
3 PB13Ultras and 1 PB12/2Ultra...wow.

If you run the PB13Ultras in 15hz mode the <25hz FR shaping will be close. This will minimize phase shift related cancellations. In the mid/upper bass the single V3600i will have similar output but the triple 13Ultras will have the advantage down low...not quite double....but clearly audible(4-5dB I'd guess).

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