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Just ordered a PSA XV15 last week that should be here this friday!!!

Just came across a Hsu vtf-3 mk3 that is local to me and thinking about picking it up for a good price. I am a newb to the HT systems. My question is would theHsu vtf-3 mk3 match up well with a XV15?
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So far with the 2 S3000i 5.5' apart (center to center), and the 210s on the subs, this is what I have been able to do with them. BTW, how do you get the inserted pics larger ? Is it a matter of a larger file size?



The upper green sweep are the duals alone from REW, The other three are L,C,R, Not bad for an untreated room. No external eq has been used other than ARC and the ICE amp controls.

Anyone on the fence for trying an ICE power sub, do it. The results of adjusting delay and room size are worth the price of admission. Next step might be MiniDSP or an antimode if I feel the need. I might lean towards Antimode only for the 30 day return. Any suggestions in this area are greatly appreciated.

Last night WOTW was fantastic with this system. The low end had all the punch that was needed without any bloat whatsoever, and the entire system sounded better than ever with the L/R 210's raised about 12-14" to now match the height of the horns across the front stage.
Looks like ARC is doing a great job as advertised. I really don't think with that FR you need anymore DSp. Are you running a house curve?

Either way fantastic response. Do you have a full range response so we can see how your crossover settings look?
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So far with the 2 S3000i 5.5' apart (center to center), and the 210s on the subs, this is what I have been able to do with them.
Anyone on the fence for trying an ICE power sub, do it. The results of adjusting delay and room size are worth the price of admission. Next step might be MiniDSP or an antimode if I feel the need. I might lean towards Antimode only for the 30 day return. Any suggestions in this area are greatly appreciated.
I don't think you need any more EQ, Antimode does not work for freq below 16 Hz anyway, above you are good, Is that low end boost intended or just the room gain effect?

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I have a rather big room (15x18x8.75') and the V1500 hardly functions as the low end can only be felt outside the rooms boundaries. I did the full sub crawl with it propped up on a table where my head goes and everything. I imagine the V3600 would be even less likely to succeed (but your neighbors will enjoy the show). I'd take two sealed 15's over the V3600 if it were an option. Spread out the love.
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I have a rather big room (15x18) and the V1500 hardly functions as the low end can only be felt outside the rooms boundaries. I did the full sub crawl with it propped up on a table where my head goes and everything. I imagine the V3600 would be even less likely to succeed (but your neighbors will enjoy the show). I'd take two sealed 15's over the V3600 if it were an option. Spread out the love.
I have a big room 16x33x9 and the v1500 functions very well.
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15x18 is not a large room FYI
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Looks like ARC is doing a great job as advertised. I really don't think with that FR you need anymore DSp. Are you running a house curve?

Either way fantastic response. Do you have a full range response so we can see how your crossover settings look?

The lower graph is actually showing L C and R sweeps at full range (to 300hz). Everything is crossed at 80 and the delay on the Ice amps got rid of the huge drop off at 80 after running ARC. Prior to ARC I used the room size to flatten out the lower end a bit. I would say that the setting on each sub is around the half way point in regards to room size-give or take a little on each sub.

If there are any other sweeps that might be needed, let me know.

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Here are the setting that ARC came up with. I have played with the Subwoofer settings to tru and reduce a bit of the dip around 50hz and also lowered the Max EQ from 5000 to 3000 to let the 210's play freely-at 5K they sounded a too masked and below 3K they were a bit bright for louder music.




No house curve added at all, that was where I though MiiDSP or Antimode MIGHT come in.
Actually, I need to find out if Room Gain adjustments in ARC will be similar to a house curve in the MiniDSP or Antimode.....
I know that ARC does not do separate subs eq, but is adjustability is outstanding especially now that I have REW up and running.
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Hey...that looks like my room!

Except, I'm using that sidewall to fire a 120" image onto, instead of using a screen.
My sidewall is painted beige.
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From what we are seeing on initial testing, it may destroy a smaller room

IIRC, Tom posted that anyone thinking about a V3600 for a small room, he stated that "we might need to talk first"
Gbreda -- yeah the room is pretty small 12x16x10 -- but it's totally open, which I think the photo shows. The PB13 is on the other side of the sectional in the corner, and given the small room is why I'm looking for a single sub solution.

Now, I just need to sell the PB13 -- can't seem to find anyone locally and I have it priced pretty fairly. I want to get in on the preorder price as well -- so hoping this happens asap.

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Except, I'm using that sidewall to fire a 120" image onto, instead of using a screen.
My sidewall is painted beige.


Coolcat -- I thought about orienting the room similarly, but ultimately the sectional dictated working the room out like this. I'm actually about to paint the remaining wall and ceiling the black to help with reflections onto the screen...
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Now, I just need to sell the PB13 -- can't seem to find anyone locally and I have it priced pretty fairly.
Use eBay. List the auction as local pickup and cash only. My (2) PB-13's sold really quick. Not sure what you are asking for them, but I sold mine for $900 each for the pair. I paid $1600 each but used them for four years, so I was ok with the price I got for them.
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@Brian , what plugin do I need for my miniDSP, is it the 2.1 advanced, seriously I don't know. I have the unbalanced version. TIA
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I finally got around to visiting the PSA Facebook page and was looking at all the photos of all the products and stuff. I think Jeff has the right idea, buy one or two of everything and then you never have to worry about wanting anything because you either have it, have already had it, or will be getting it soon.
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I finally got around to visiting the PSA Facebook page and was looking at all the photos of all the products and stuff. I think Jeff has the right idea, buy one or two of everything and then you never have to worry about wanting anything because you either have it, have already had it, or will be getting it soon.
Hey Hop, that is my thinking exactly, it seems my enthusiasm for PSA products is contagious around here, if I don't have it it isn't worth having...............
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My V1500 shakes my 12x16 room. Your room isn't big by any means.
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I don't think you need any more EQ, Antimode does not work for freq below 16 Hz anyway, above you are good, Is that low end boost intended or just the room gain effect?
I believe that the low end boost is from room gain as no matter what measurement I do be it single or dual subs has a boost in that area-placement doesnt seem to make a difference either. Actually as I posted earlier, ARC comes up with a room gain figure for correction and that is adjustable prior to calculations and download to the AVR. Right now I am sticking with the value it came up with and from posts on Anthems thread seem to say that around 4 give or take is normal. People that post with gain figures lower than 2.5 or so report thin low end. I have always come up with 3.5 or higher in that area. I have emailed Anthem for a detailed explanation on how changing the Room Gain figures might affect output response. Additionally I have sent them the ARC measurement file as they will see what changes may help or hinder.

Also, ARC does not eq below 15 hz either.

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I don't buy that it's 10db of room gain under 20 Hz that doesn't seem right. Somthing is amiss
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Does anyone know the dimensions of the V3600?

Edit: Never mind, I found them.
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Does anyone know the dimensions of the V3600?
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Dimensions (D x W x H): 25” x 20” x 44” includes grill

And yes, I have had my tape measure out....but this would be too big for the living room. I am getting enough eye roll with what I have now
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I don't buy that it's 10db of room gain under 20 Hz that doesn't seem right. Somthing is amiss
Any suggestions?

Edit: Could it be that ARC does not EQ below 15hz?
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Dimensions (D x W x H): 25” x 20” x 44” includes grill

And yes, I have had my tape measure out....but this would be too big for the living room. I am getting enough eye roll with what I have now
What dimension would have the port on it? If I ever got one I would have to put it sideways (making the 20" the depth)
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I don't buy that it's 10db of room gain under 20 Hz that doesn't seem right. Somthing is amiss
In my 16.5x17x9 2525 ft^3 room, I get about 13 dB of gain @10 Hz when I close the two 5' french door sets that lead to other rooms.
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What dimension would have the port on it? If I ever got one I would have to put it sideways (making the 20" the depth)
The port is on the bottom, so your layout would put the port on the side . The website has a drawing of the enclosure

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/v3600i
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In my 16.5x17x9 2525 ft^3 room, I get about 13 dB of gain @10 Hz when I close the two 5' french door sets that lead to other rooms.
That's different though as you are effectively making the room smaller.

He is getting a mystery boost
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The port is on the bottom, so your layout would put the port on the side . The website has a drawing of the enclosure

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/v3600i
Hmmm that could work
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I want to thank all of you on this particular thread for all the advice, input and perspective you share with all of us who read and also chime in from time to time. A great times for this hobby. Anyway, I bit the bullet and got a pair of competent subwoofers over the Memorial weekend, so I was a able to finally play with placement( which was luxury that I did not have with my LR built-ins) in the room.
I have not yet had time to run Antimode and Audyssey but plain room response and gain is looking MUCH better.
FR spread was from 67-93 dB, now 80-93 dB (built in vs duals screen shot) more over with placing one sub in the back of the room, and other keeping below screen, I tamed the nasty null around 42 Hz( front/back vs dual fronts pic). EQ and some more wall treatments should help some more.
All that with flat and usable extension down to about 8 Hz. It does sound awesome as well.Ran through some of my favorite music and movie samples. Gave new dimension to my HT, both for music and movies.
Only spoiler in this story that I did not go with PSA but gave a SB-2000 from SVS a try-out as I nabbed duals for 1100$ in their outlet sale, will give them a try for next month or so and see if I would need to check the PSA. Must say I like the aesthetics of the piano finish with the rest of my setup.
Props to Tom and his character, to offer a detailed and honest advice, regardless of the make of the speaker/sub.
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the V1500 hardly functions as the low end can only be felt outside the rooms boundaries. I did the full sub crawl with it propped up on a table where my head goes and everything. I imagine the V3600 would be even less likely to succeed (but your neighbors will enjoy the show). I'd take two sealed 15's over the V3600 if it were an option. Spread out the love.
This is a really weird statement. What does "hardly functions" mean? Perhaps you just mean that you are underwhelmed? Would room treatments be an option (it might help)?

I do not think the V3600 "would be less likely to succeed" as you said. Maybe contacting PSA and getting some help with set-up would yield some better results.

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Just ordered a PSA XV15 last week that should be here this friday!!!

Just came across a Hsu vtf-3 mk3 that is local to me and thinking about picking it up for a good price. I am a newb to the HT systems. My question is would theHsu vtf-3 mk3 match up well with a XV15?
I think they'll match up fine. Do you have an AVR that can EQ the subs?
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I believe that the low end boost is from room gain as no matter what measurement I do be it single or dual subs has a boost in that area-placement doesnt seem to make a difference either. Actually as I posted earlier, ARC comes up with a room gain figure for correction and that is adjustable prior to calculations and download to the AVR. Right now I am sticking with the value it came up with and from posts on Anthems thread seem to say that around 4 give or take is normal. People that post with gain figures lower than 2.5 or so report thin low end. I have always come up with 3.5 or higher in that area. I have emailed Anthem for a detailed explanation on how changing the Room Gain figures might affect output response. Additionally I have sent them the ARC measurement file as they will see what changes may help or hinder.

Also, ARC does not eq below 15 hz either.

I could be wrong but I thought I've read a few times in the official MRX_00 and MRX_10 threads that room gain in ARC is basically like added a house curve with the ability to boost it up to 6dB through the AVR.


At least that's how I read it.
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I want to thank all of you on this particular thread for all the advice, input and perspective you share with all of us who read and also chime in from time to time. A great times for this hobby. Anyway, I bit the bullet and got a pair of competent subwoofers over the Memorial weekend, so I was a able to finally play with placement( which was luxury that I did not have with my LR built-ins) in the room.
I have not yet had time to run Antimode and Audyssey but plain room response and gain is looking MUCH better.
FR spread was from 67-93 dB, now 80-93 dB (built in vs duals screen shot) more over with placing one sub in the back of the room, and other keeping below screen, I tamed the nasty null around 42 Hz( front/back vs dual fronts pic). EQ and some more wall treatments should help some more.
All that with flat and usable extension down to about 8 Hz. It does sound awesome as well.Ran through some of my favorite music and movie samples. Gave new dimension to my HT, both for music and movies.
Only spoiler in this story that I did not go with PSA but gave a SB-2000 from SVS a try-out as I nabbed duals for 1100$ in their outlet sale, will give them a try for next month or so and see if I would need to check the PSA. Must say I like the aesthetics of the piano finish with the rest of my setup.
Props to Tom and his character, to offer a detailed and honest advice, regardless of the make of the speaker/sub.
2 SB2000 for 1100 is nothing to sneeze at and there is no doubt that they will give you great response. Looking at your 2 up front measurement, you have the same dip around 50hz that I did and I am really interested in seeing what Antimode does with that.

That being said, I was able to greatly reduce that dip with the Room Size function that you would have with the S1500.

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