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The tape measure looks like one thing, but when it is actually in the room it is another. This is two speakers right off the truck - driver cabinets and horns. There isn't much spare packing material there. They are BIG

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hey guys... I have an XS30 in my 20'x 15' room (1 large & 1 small opening). Due to WAF's, I can only put one sub in room. My XS30 is placed slightly behind & to the left of MLP, about 8' away. I've got the upgrade bug, and I'm looking at the new 3600. It would go in same position. Big upgrade or not?

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Well, assuming even modest 8' ceilings your room is still in the medium size range, which probably makes it difficult for one sealed sub to realize much room gain down low. Therefore I would say that if you can only have one sub, the v3600 should offer a big upgrade for you, particularly around between 16-30hz, and possibly even across the upper range depending on how loud you listen.

Sounds to me that you stand to gain a decent amount with this trade.
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Well, I just got off the phone with Tom. I couldn't resist it any longer I had to put in my order for the V3600. Now comes the hard part…waiting.
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The tape measure looks like one thing, but when it is actually in the room it is another. This is two speakers right off the truck - driver cabinets and horns. There isn't much spare packing material there. They are BIG

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JBL4722? AWESOME SPEAKERS. If that's is the case, the V3600's matches and performs better than the S3000i's.
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Some of you guys in this thread swap out PSA subs like underwear.

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Well, I just got off the phone with Tom. I couldn't resist it any longer I had to put in my order for the V3600. Now comes the hard part…waiting.
I admire your enthusiastic. I can see another one soon to be in your room . You deserve a psa shirt and mug.
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JBL4722? AWESOME SPEAKERS. If that's is the case, the V3600's matches and performs better than the S3000i's.
Yes, 4722N for L/R. Center will be 3677 and (4) surrounds are also 3677. All powered by Crown amps. If the s3000i doesnt cut it, I will try to squeeze the V3600. I think (4) s3000i will go deeper than the (2) 3600, and I don't have room in the rear for anything the size of the 3600. After owning the PB13 Ultras, I kinda want to try sealed. The room is a combo HT/game room. I was going to go projector with (3) 4722 upfront but the family said no. I have a couple of video game machines and a pool table in the rear of the room that get a lot of use. I am going to build a custom stand for the 92" DLP and put the 3677 below it.
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Now comes the hard part…waiting.


I thought you were going to say "breaking the news to the wife".....LOL
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I thought you were going to say "breaking the news to the wife".....LOL
LOL…funny you should mention my wife.

I'm still trying to see if I can pull enough cash together to go dual V3600s before the preorder pricing ends but that may be difficult. Anyway, I told my wife that if I can get duals then I won't really ever need to upgrade again. She shook her head and said she didn't believe me.

Then I told her there really isn't anything left to upgrade to; she shook her head again and said they would build something new and bigger, they always do.

I think she may be right.
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Yes, 4722N for L/R. Center will be 3677 and (4) surrounds are also 3677. All powered by Crown amps. If the s3000i doesnt cut it, I will try to squeeze the V3600. I think (4) s3000i will go deeper than the (2) 3600, and I don't have room in the rear for anything the size of the 3600. After owning the PB13 Ultras, I kinda want to try sealed. The room is a combo HT/game room. I was going to go projector with (3) 4722 upfront but the family said no. I have a couple of video game machines and a pool table in the rear of the room that get a lot of use. I am going to build a custom stand for the 92" DLP and put the 3677 below it.
Super nice packet you put together there. I wish I have room for the 4722. They are the best speakers I have heard that best some of those $5k pair or more. It is a bargain for what the 4722 can achieve. The 3677 is also an outstanding performer for its price tag. Your JBL's are ported which is why I think ported subs blend with them better. If you can, 3 4722's behind an AT screen will take your breath away (not that it has not already), then squeeze a pair of V3600's behind this same screen. Man, I do not have a word to describe
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Some of you guys in this thread swap out PSA subs like underwear.
That is very true but for me this is a first time. That's why I'm jumping all the way up to the V3600, hopefully this will be the only time I do it.

But I'm not making any promises… I seem to have an illness. I'm hoping this will be the cure.
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Tom, how would you hookup colocated XS15se subs?
I've found that the best place to position the subs in my HT, for the best bass, is in the back of the room, next to my sofa (MLP).
So, I want to place two subs together, on each side of my sofa.
Also, is there any advantage to using the left and right inputs, on the back of the subs?
I've been using just the LFE inputs.

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Super nice packet you put together there. I wish I have room for the 4722. They are the best speakers I have heard that best some of those $5k pair or more. It is a bargain for what the 4722 can achieve. The 3677 is also an outstanding performer for its price tag. Your JBL's are ported which is why I think ported subs blend with them better. If you can, 3 4722's behind an AT screen will take your breath away (not that it has not already), then squeeze a pair of V3600's behind this same screen. Man, I do not have a word to describe
Thanks for the kind words. Yeah, the 4722's are definitely the best speakers my ears have heard. They are crystal clear, effortless, with a HUGE sound stage. I read many reviews but until one hears them in person, it is hard to describe. Granted, I have never heard mega thousand dollar speakers but I really don't know if my ears could detect any more clarity and subtle nuances that these produce.
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Tom, how would you hookup colocated XS15se subs?
I've found that the best place to position the subs in my HT, for the best bass, is in the back of the room, next to my sofa (MLP).
So, I want to place two subs together, on each side of my sofa.
Also, is there any advantage to using the left and right inputs, on the back of the subs?
I've been using just the LFE inputs.
Not Tom, but.....

Are you saying you want to hook up 2 subs on each side of the couch (4 subs total)? Does your AVR have more than one sub output? Does your AVR have the ability to separately calibrate dual subs (i.e. Audyssey XT32 with SubEQ HT)?

The only advantage to using both inputs on the subs is if you are having trouble with the Auto On feature working. It will increase the input level to the sub amp by 6db. If you aren't using, or aren't having trouble getting your subs to come out of standby, then there is no advantage.
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Some of you guys in this thread swap out PSA subs like underwear.
Here I am thinking about a swap when my XS30 isnt even sent back in for trade yet . But no swap will happen.

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LOL…funny you should mention my wife.

I'm still trying to see if I can pull enough cash together to go dual V3600s before the preorder pricing ends but that may be difficult. Anyway, I told my wife that if I can get duals then I won't really ever need to upgrade again. She shook her head and said she didn't believe me.

Then I told her there really isn't anything left to upgrade to; she shook her head again and said they would build something new and bigger, they always do.

I think she may be right.
When I brought up the V3600 last weekend, I was threatened with cutting off internet-thankfully we dont live together

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That is very true but for me this is a first time. That's why I'm jumping all the way up to the V3600, hopefully this will be the only time I do it.

But I'm not making any promises… I seem to have an illness. I'm hoping this will be the cure.

Very true and after calling and talking with Tom an hour ago about the output of the V3600 vs the S3000i, the 3600 is going to be a huge contender in the market. The size is just too much for this room or I would be swapping out 2 3000i for at least one 3600 in a heartbeat at the pre order pricing.
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What is your goal? Are you just looking for more output? Are you current s3000i out of steam? Two 15" drivers with 1700 watts is no slouch.
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I know this is a PSA thread, but what would you choose between the Gama 218 or the V3600? My room is medium sized living room that's open to the kitchen and dining table. Both subs are coming out 🔜 and are close in price. I will not be able to get duals either, so only one box.
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Very true and after calling and talking with Tom an hour ago about the output of the V3600 vs the S3000i, the 3600 is going to be a huge contender in the market. The size is just too much for this room or I would be swapping out 2 3000i for at least one 3600 in a heartbeat at the pre order pricing.
Yeah I spent the last five days chatting, emailing, and talking on the phone with Tom. I looked at everything from dual S3000i's to different sub combinations all including at least one V3600. As always he was super informative and helpful…and patient.

In the end, with this preorder pricing, the V3600 was just too good to let pass by. And when I saw how nice the completed sub looked on the website I jumped in.

I'm fairly certain the size of the V3600 might be too much for any room. But I'm even more certain I can make one or two of them fit anyway.
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I know this is a PSA thread, but what would you choose between the Gama 218 or the V3600? My room is medium sized living room that's open to the kitchen and dining table. Both subs are coming out and are close in price. I will not be able to get duals either, so only one box.
Well the Gamma 218 is sealed and the V3600 is ported so they are different subs. Without actually knowing how many cubic feet of open space the sub will need to pressurize it's hard to say which I would go with.

I have a moderate size room but it's open to other rooms and a hallway so it ends up being around 5700 to 6000 cu ft. Because of that I choose to go with ported subs (but I have looked at sealed and always come back to ported). Since you say your moderate room opens up to other rooms I will hazard a guess that you may be better off with a ported subwoofer.

Having more info would be helpful but if your open space is large I would choose the V3600.

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I think they'll match up fine. Do you have an AVR that can EQ the subs?
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Run the vtf-3 in max extension mode to minimize and phase shift related cancellation. You'll be about half or less in terms of clean output(compared to the XV15) so if possible position the hsu much closer to the key seating.

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I assume there would be no issue using the 3600 horizontal on it's side? I can't fit one vertical, but horizontal would work. Out of curiosity, do we know the weight of this beast yet?
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I assume there would be no issue using the 3600 horizontal on it's side? I can't fit one vertical, but horizontal would work. Out of curiosity, do we know the weight of this beast yet?
I asked Tom yesterday and IIRC I think he said 185 lbs or there about.

It's a big one!
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I assume there would be no issue using the 3600 horizontal on it's side?
As long as you place it on four small furniture pads. Otherwise, cabinet vibration over such a large surface area will transmit those vibrations easier to the floor. But perhaps that’s what you’re looking for .

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As long as you place it on four small furniture pads. Otherwise, cabinet vibration over such a large surface area will transmit those vibrations easier to the floor. But perhaps that’s what you’re looking for .

I'm on carpet over concrete, so not worried about that. I do have to anchor my PB12/2 Ultra to the wall though so it doesn't move!
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I asked Tom yesterday and IIRC I think he said 185 lbs or there about.

It's a big one!
I'm actually surprised it doesn't weigh more, not that it matters of course. IIRC (I might be wrong on this), my PB12/2 (which is what the 3600 will be replacing if I go through with it) weighs in at ~190 lbs, so I figured this beast would weigh a bit more. That 3600 is a great looking sub though either way! Congrats on taking the plunge though Hop and I might be right there with you!
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So is the tuning point of the 3600 ~16hz? I know in room extension will be lower.
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Sorry if I've missed it but when is the V3600 suppose to start shipping?
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I'm actually surprised it doesn't weigh more, not that it matters of course. IIRC (I might be wrong on this), my PB12/2 (which is what the 3600 will be replacing if I go through with it) weighs in at ~190 lbs, so I figured this beast would weigh a bit more. That 3600 is a great looking sub though either way! Congrats on taking the plunge though Hop and I might be right there with you!
Thanks Toe.

I found the email. Tom said around 195 lbs with the grill and around 185 lbs without. And I would think that you could lay it on the side with out any issues. Keep us posted if you decide to jump in and take the plunge.
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Sorry if I've missed it but when is the V3600 suppose to start shipping?
The first run should ship during the week of June 15th IIRC. I'm fairly certain on that but as with everything…I could be wrong.
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Anybody wants to sell me one of their PSA subs in the Chicago IL area to upgrade????
I am looking to ad more bass to my S1500
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