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Why does the red graph look completely different from the blue graph below?

Top one you get extension to under 8hz. The second to about 13hz

Somthing is amiss
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Why does the red graph look completely different from the blue graph below?

Top one you get extension to under 8hz. The second to about 13hz

Somthing is amiss
One is his new 3000 and the blue line is his old one which looks to be a ported sub with a high port tune
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Why does the red graph look completely different from the blue graph below?

Top one you get extension to under 8hz. The second to about 13hz

Somthing is amiss
Smoothing?

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One other question, I have my S1500 on hardwood floors and sometimes it walks a little. Any suggestions to keep it from moving.

There should be four little "peel/stick" pads in the owner's manual bag. Use those on the bottom of the hard rubber stand-offs. That usually takes care of these issues..

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One is his new 3000 and the blue line is his old one which looks to be a ported sub with a high port tune
Brian meant the top graph versus the bottom graph. (not comparing the two traces on the same(top) graph).

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One is his new 3000 and the blue line is his old one which looks to be a ported sub with a high port tune
No in talking about the 3000 in two different graphs are both totally different in their extension.
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SB13U has been working well as a single subwoofer in my sealed 3k room. A sports injury put me out for a few weeks from work. This has allowed me to catch up on movies and time to fine tune my system. That lead to me having TOO much time on my hands.

Ordered a S300i. Simply after more bass. Lets see if the S3k can meet the requirement. If so the SB13U will go back. More to come....
You're looking at deeper extension and approximately twice the clean output capabilities. So should be a fun comparison for sure.

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Why does the red graph look completely different from the blue graph below?

Top one you get extension to under 8hz. The second to about 13hz

Somthing is amiss
These are my first graphs with the new S3000i. Still learning the ropes with REW.

The top graph shows old vs new (old Klipsch and Energy subs co-located vs. one S3000i) - subs only.

Second graph is the new S3000i with the front left and right speakers - not sure why the extension looks different - I noticed that too, and thought maybe someone could offer some insight as to why that should be the case. Same location - just added the mains to see how well the new sub was integrated.

Any tips on anything you see would be very much appreciated as this is my first "real" sub, and I'm sure there is some fine tuning ahead...

EDIT - is it possible that, by adding the mains to that bottom scan, the extension was cut short a bit due to some interference from the mains? Not 100% sure how it all works, but this sounds like a possibility to me.

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You're looking at deeper extension and approximately twice the clean output capabilities. So should be a fun comparison for sure.

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Tom, I accidentally posted in the speaker thread but I noticed a b-stock S3000i. Does it have any blemishes? Would it work with my XS30se?
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Tom, I accidentally posted in the speaker thread but I noticed a b-stock S3000i. Does it have any blemishes? Would it work with my XS30se?
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Nope, perfect. Couldn't be told from new A stock. has Zero time on it too..

Yes, with the room size control you can actually "dial in" the S3000i to have darn near identical FR shaping down low. So the two would mutually couple without any chance of phase shift related cancellations.

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Nope, perfect. Couldn't be told from new A stock. has Zero time on it too..

Yes, with the room size control you can actually "dial in" the S3000i to have darn near identical FR shaping down low. So the two would mutually couple without any chance of phase shift related cancellations.

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Wow OK. What makes it b-stock?
What, if any, difference would there be by adding an S3000i instead of an XS30se? Just curious.

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Wow OK. What makes it b-stock?
What, if any, difference would there be by adding an S3000i instead of an XS30se? Just curious.
I would assume it being returned or used in the office for testing...

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No in talking about the 3000 in two different graphs are both totally different in their extension.
Here is a graph of the S3000i showing with and without the mains on the same graph for clarity - no smoothing this time - this way the scaling is identical so it's easier to see what is happening.

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With the mains in the scan, the overall output goes down about 4 dB and the extension is thus dragged to the right a little but when looked at in a relative sense, the extension realistically only looses about 1 Hz.

I'm still pretty excited about the extension I'm seeing with this sub - truly amazing.

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SB13U has been working well as a single subwoofer in my sealed 3k room. A sports injury put me out for a few weeks from work. This has allowed me to catch up on movies and time to fine tune my system. That lead to me having TOO much time on my hands.

Ordered a S300i. Simply after more bass. Lets see if the S3k can meet the requirement. If so the SB13U will go back. More to come....
I'll be looking forward to your thoughts on music between the two.

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You're looking at deeper extension and approximately twice the clean output capabilities. So should be a fun comparison for sure.

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Tom- I sent you an email. I am out of my 45 day window with SVS, they offered an extra week, but that will not be enough time with shipping for me to get the S3K-i. I submitted a request to cancel my order- for now.

Without even comparing the two, the s3000i should easily be able to handle a single SB13U.
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I would assume it being returned or used in the office for testing...
Well he said zero hours on it so maybe someone returned it without even opening it?
Anyway I re-read a chat transcript I saved about comparing the XS30se and S3000i and I think I will just stick with the XS30se. I'm afraid if I went with the S3000i that I would end up having to sell my XS30se to get another S3000i.
I don't really want to do that and I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble. Still, it is a great deal....

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I am thinking about moving one of my XV15's to a nearfield position. Currently, I have both of them upfront between my left and right mains. Am I to assume that if moving one to the nearfield position, I should adjust the phase to 180 degrees? I will be using XT32 only and no REW.


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I am thinking about moving one of my XV15's to a nearfield position. Currently, I have both of them upfront between my left and right mains. Am I to assume that if moving one to the nearfield position, I should adjust the phase to 180 degrees? I will be using XT32 only and no REW.


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No don't assume that. But it's going to be very difficult to know if xt32 sets them up correctly without REW
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Watched the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan last night with my V1500. It absolutely punished my 16x12 space. It would be very subtle and then hit you out of nowhere. I've not been able sit down recently and really enjoy it, so it was nice to put it through its paces.
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Wow OK. What makes it b-stock?
What, if any, difference would there be by adding an S3000i instead of an XS30se? Just curious.
Customer couldn't get it to operate correctly out of the box. We went back and forth and couldn't figure it out. We sent a new replacement and got this one back. Turned out to be a connection/adapter issue in his system.

Not much difference between the two system options really. The extension and overall sound quality would be just about identical. The S3000i + XS30se option would have a slight edge in headroom.

I'd say the biggest reason to go S3000i would be it gives you a better upgrade option later as you can ultimately have a dual S3000i system in place.

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I am thinking about moving one of my XV15's to a nearfield position. Currently, I have both of them upfront between my left and right mains. Am I to assume that if moving one to the nearfield position, I should adjust the phase to 180 degrees? I will be using XT32 only and no REW.


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Do you have a SPL meter on hand?

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Tom- I sent you an email. I am out of my 45 day window with SVS, they offered an extra week, but that will not be enough time with shipping for me to get the S3K-i. I submitted a request to cancel my order- for now.

Without even comparing the two, the s3000i should easily be able to handle a single SB13U.
I replied to that yesterday letting you know the S3000i would arrive in time for you to have a weekend to compare them and double checking if you still wanted to cancel. I'll cancel now though. Let me know if I can ever answer any other questions about our products. Thanks!

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Customer couldn't get it to operate correctly out of the box. We went back and forth and couldn't figure it out. We sent a new replacement and got this one back. Turned out to be a connection/adapter issue in his system.

Not much difference between the two system options really. The extension and overall sound quality would be just about identical. The S3000i + XS30se option would have a slight edge in headroom.

I'd say the biggest reason to go S3000i would be it gives you a better upgrade option later as you can ultimately have a dual S3000i system in place.

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I am thinking about moving one of my XV15's to a nearfield position. Currently, I have both of them upfront between my left and right mains. Am I to assume that if moving one to the nearfield position, I should adjust the phase to 180 degrees? I will be using XT32 only and no REW.


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I have to reverse my third sub 180 or else my extension drops off a cliff below 30hz but everywhere else looks fine. I would not have seen this without rew because the frequencies you hear 30-100hz sounded the same. You could use a spl meter and adjust the phase until you get the most output then run Audy.

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When you run audyssey you set the room control to large. If you set it to small then run Audy, it would more then likely try to boost the low end which is the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.
This was the answer that I got from Tom. Set it at large run Audy then adjust to preference.
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Question - Is the amp for the s3000i mounted on the side or the rear? I have almost 21" in width to accommodate a sub between a half-wall and my couch. Right now I'm rolling with a HSU ULS-15, but looking for something with more power.
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Question - Is the amp for the s3000i mounted on the side or the rear? I have almost 21" in width to accommodate a sub between a half-wall and my couch. Right now I'm rolling with a HSU ULS-15, but looking for something with more power.
Its a dual opposed sub. Driver on the front and the back. So the amp will have to be in the side.
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Question - Is the amp for the s3000i mounted on the side or the rear? I have almost 21" in width to accommodate a sub between a half-wall and my couch. Right now I'm rolling with a HSU ULS-15, but looking for something with more power.
21" is tight but it can be done. I bought 2 of these in case I needed them, but so far no need as I managed a few extra inches for clearance. Also, I wasnt sure if they would be an issue in the signal chain.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/adapters/index.htm

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I have to reverse my third sub 180 or else my extension drops off a cliff below 30hz but everywhere else looks fine. I would not have seen this without rew because the frequencies you hear 30-100hz sounded the same. You could use a spl meter and adjust the phase until you get the most output then run Audy.
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