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Watched Jurassic World with the wife and I can't wait for it to come out on Blu ray I do believe it will give the subs a works out.
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Watched Jurassic World with the wife and I can't wait for it to come out on Blu ray I do believe it will give the subs a works out.
I hope it's released on Bluray the same day my 3rd XS30SE gets delivered
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^^^^^
I should have my second one before this summers movies arrive on blu-Ray!
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Watched Jurassic World with the wife and I can't wait for it to come out on Blu ray I do believe it will give the subs a works out.
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I should have my second one before this summers movies arrive on blu-Ray!
Very cool. I should have my V3600 by the time it comes out on Bluray.
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I got some time this weekend to play a lot more with the antimode dualcore + the dual V1500. I am really impressed with the V1500's. They really do a great job of filling my large basement area with some bone rattling bass. The dual configuration was extremely helpful in evening out the response and really giving a nice response across the entire basement seating area. I was tempted to send back the dual's since I was within my 30 days and go with the monster V3600 but these v1500's are really great for my setup. Also as an FYI the resonant frequency of an ironing board hanging from a basement door at the top of a stairwell is about 15hz or so. Holy cow these subs set that thing to rattle like you couldn't believe! The overall subs are amazingly solid also. They really show a great craftsmanship and are about as heavy duty as you could want. The standard finish is also actually very appealing. It's very understated and works great for my multiuse basement. I could see how many would like the more upscale wood finishes for a dedicated room but the default finish is much better than I expected. The performance pretty much puts all my earlier subs to shame. They are quite quiet and subtle when needed and then coming roaring to life when the material demands it.

The antimode dual core is a pretty nifty tool. it's definitely on the pricier side but it does give you a lot of knobs and whistles to play with while also being very plug and play if that's what you want. I was able to really dial in the response with some of the individual PEQ and various preset curve options. I am really enjoying the fact that you can setup 4 separate modes and switch between them with the included remote. It's great to be able to setup a few different responses tailored for movies/music/TV and swap between them to taste on the fly. If you've used audyssey before it's very similar, very plug and play and takes about 10 minutes out of the box to having a nicely calibrated response. (be aware that the cal process is really loud and you WILL find any squeaks or rattles in your space during it) You can then go to town tweaking the response further as you like. The red line was the best response I could get with a lot of playing around with the dual setup as far as swapping locations and phase controls. The blue is the final response I got with the various filter tweaks and the default antimode cal. This setup is with an AVR with Audyssey 2EQ active which doesn't go much of anything for bass correction and nothing for dual subs. The dual core has a basic display so you can tweak and see before and after even if you don't have a separate mic/REW capability which is nice for many. Overall it's a very capable system that allows you to just plug and play to get going but also gives you some really nice options for fine tuning as well. I somewhat view it as the Apple of auto EQ while MiniDSP is the Windows. Both work well, while MiniDSP gives you a lot of flexibility for changes but requires a more thorough knowledge and/or time for tweaking while Antimode is more of a it does a few things really well right out of the box.
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I have an older Yamaha YST-FSW100 subwoofer that I put under the couch. When the bass goes off you can feel the rumble. It's awesome.
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I have an older Yamaha YST-FSW100 subwoofer that I put under the couch. When the bass goes off you can feel the rumble. It's awesome.
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Great write up on the Antimode Superfan. I found it very useful.
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I am thinking about moving one of my XV15's to a nearfield position. Currently, I have both of them upfront between my left and right mains. Am I to assume that if moving one to the nearfield position, I should adjust the phase to 180 degrees? I will be using XT32 only and no REW.


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If you have XT32 with SubEQ HT, there is no need to adjust phase on your subs...SubEQ HT will time-align the subs with each other much more accurately than using the phase knob ever could.

Leave them both at "0" and run XT32. Then do the Sub Distance Tweak to get the sub "system" in-phase with the CC (or your mains if you use your system mostly for music).
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I had some time today so I put the mini dsp back in the chain. This is the first time since doing the SE upgrades...this go around I hooked the 2 subs equal distant to channel 1 and the third to channel 2. Ended up using the bi-quad filter to set a low shelf filter starting around 25hz to lift the low end. I took a compression sweep but some how it did not save. I am flat @ reference +/-3db from 20-90hz. I did get some other measurements saved...also no clipping yet, but it is borderline at reference, I think there is 1.5db of headroom to spare.


last graph is a compression sweep I took before any eq was applied...you can look at the lowest sweep to compare base response to post eq. I was able to squeeze another 2db in the 18-20hz range and pull the 30hz peak down, to flatten the response.
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Alright Tom, I'm starting to get messages from other forum members that see what I am saying and are questioning your motives here. I am an audio enthusiast, no more no less, I have nothing to lose by feeding this for days or weeks on end. However, you are an ID owner with a fair amount at stake here, so I am going to bow out before this gets any worse for you.

If you want to continue this then feel free to PM me. Otherwise it's been fun and I look forward to the continued dialogue/impressions of new customers with your new products.

Nothing but respect for you and your company over here!

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Don't back down!
Please don't get this bantering back and forth started again.
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Alright Tom, I'm starting to get messages from other forum members that see what I am saying and are questioning your motives here. I am an audio enthusiast, no more no less, I have nothing to lose by feeding this for days or weeks on end. However, you are an ID owner with a fair amount at stake here, so I am going to bow out before this gets any worse for you.

If you want to continue this then feel free to PM me. Otherwise it's been fun and I look forward to the continued dialogue/impressions of new customers with your new products.

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He is free to offer his opinion and of course you will have different opinion in any open public forums. I am also careless about the perks as long as I have a good to great product at my price point with decent warranty, customer service. As far as I can see here, all ID manufacturers that are still in business has good customer service and has their own philosophy in engineering, service, price, size, etc...All subs tested by Ricci for these ID companies measured well within their price bracket, so I would not think other company had put in less engineering behind his products. We all have good to great choice here within each ID company and one has to pick what important to him/her. Competition and choices are great for us, consumers. Keep them coming...
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Please don't get this bantering back and forth started again.
You sound like my wife I'm all for a little disagreeing as long as things are kept friendly and professional.
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Don't back down!

Please don't muck up this thread with all that drama and garbage again!



3600 ordered! Really excited to replace my 11 year old PB 12/2 Ultra (which has served me incredibly well.....sniff....sniff.....and I will be sad to see it go in a sense ) with this beast. The 3600 should (I hope!) pair well with my 3 PB13s. Should be fun!

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Please don't muck up this thread with all that drama and garbage again!



3600 ordered! Really excited to replace my 11 year old PB 12/2 Ultra (which has served me incredibly well.....sniff....sniff.....and I will be sad to see it go in a sense ) with this beast. The 3600 should (I hope!) pair well with my 3 PB13s. Should be fun!
Why so dramatic ? People will always disagree and that is how we improve. Every company is going to stick to there product and will make the argument that there product is better. Isn't this the reason why these forums are established, to learn, ask questions, and voice your opinion.
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Why so dramatic ? People will always disagree and that is how we improve. Every company is going to stick to there product and will make the argument that there product is better. Isn't this the reason why these forums are established, to learn, ask questions, and voice your opinion.
yea but that is not what you are doing...all you are doing is stirring the turd.
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yea but that is not what you are doing...all you are doing is stirring the turd.
I totally agree.
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I totally agree.
I totally disagree... I don't agree with the fact that if someone voices there opinion that person gets bullied just because they don't agree. Tom is right, there is no need for personal jabs, but there is no need to get to sensitive about them. The person is already a PSA customer and he is already sold on the idea of the company. He is just giving feedback, yes feedback!
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I totally disagree... I don't agree with the fact that if someone voices there opinion that person gets bullied just because they don't agree. Tom is right, there is no need for personal jabs, but there is no need to get to sensitive about them. The person is already a PSA customer and he is already sold on the idea of the company. He is just giving feedback, yes feedback!
The thing is these Gentlemen to the best of my knowledge had worked things out themselves so there is no need, in my opinion, to try and stir the pot and get this going again.
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The thing is these Gentlemen to the best of my knowledge had worked things out themselves so there is no need, in my opinion, to try and stir the pot and get this going again.
I can live with that and good point. But, the issue will never be settled. Its always the same thing in every forum. You question a Forum product and here they come...Why is it always like that. I get it there passionate about there item. What better Ford or Chevy? Its a stupid question! Every company will offer perks that will benefit some and will turn away others. I'm not saying perks are bad, they are definitely great, but all companies offer them. Some less, some more...PSA is a good company based on what I have experienced, but I have also had dialogue with others and have also been good.
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I can live with that and good point. But, the issue will never be settled. Its always the same thing in every forum. You question a Forum product and here they come...Why is it always like that. I get it there passionate about there item. What better Ford or Chevy? Its a stupid question! Every company will offer perks that will benefit some and will turn away others. I'm not saying perks are bad, they are definitely great, but all companies offer them. Some less, some more...PSA is a good company based on what I have experienced, but I have also had dialogue with others and have also been good.
Now you are making sense and speaking with reason. I will say that sometimes Tom does come off as a little snippy but when you are putting the amount of effort and time into a company that he is then I think you have every right to be if someone is questioning your products or motives. PSA makes an excellent product and goes above and beyond in my opinion to make sure customers are 100% satisfied. Other companies do make good products as well but I like the fact that if I have a problem I can speak to the owner and founder of the company and get my issues resolved in an amazingly quick time frame. I waited two days for an email from a certain company regarding stock on a subwoofer and that wait led me to PSA.
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The entire first production run on the V3600i subwoofers is spoken for. I'm trying to schedule the next run ASAP----looks to be between 2 and 3 weeks from today.
The second run is about 50% spoken for already.
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Now you are making sense and speaking with reason. I will say that sometimes Tom does come off as a little snippy but when you are putting the amount of effort and time into a company that he is then I think you have every right to be if someone is questioning your products or motives. PSA makes an excellent product and goes above and beyond in my opinion to make sure customers are 100% satisfied. Other companies do make good products as well but I like the fact that if I have a problem I can speak to the owner and founder of the company and get my issues resolved in an amazingly quick time frame. I waited two days for an email from a certain company regarding stock on a subwoofer and that wait led me to PSA.
As one said," I totally agree". Everything you said about PSA and Tom are very true, no argument there. I've asked questions and Tom has answered every single one of them and in a timely fashion. I.D companies like SVS, HSU, Seaton, among others also have great reviews and happy customers. They all offer different perks that attract customers. You can make an argument to who offers the best, that will be subject to opinion. I'm sure every forum for each company would put out all sorts of facts, reviews, data, etc.. on why there product is better. Once somebody starts voicing a difference in opinion, most are quick to label that person a "Troll". The other side of the coin is, are they a "Fanboy". Anyways I like PSA, but I also like SVS, HSU, Reaction and among others. I'm leaning towards of course PSA, HSU is a close second.
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As one said," I totally agree". Everything you said about PSA and Tom are very true, no argument there. I've asked questions and Tom has answered every single one of them and in a timely fashion. I.D companies like SVS, HSU, Seaton, among others also have great reviews and happy customers. They all offer different perks that attract customers. You can make an argument to who offers the best, that will be subject to opinion. I'm sure every forum for each company would put out all sorts of facts, reviews, data, etc.. on why there product is better. Once somebody starts voicing a difference in opinion, most are quick to label that person a "Troll". The other side of the coin is, are they a "Fanboy". Anyways I like PSA, but I also like SVS, HSU, Reaction and among others. I'm leaning towards of course PSA, HSU is a close second.
the way I always put it is. no matter what choice you go with you will NEVER be too wrong....just..different. THATS how good all these ID companies have gotten
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Makes sense! A ton of bang (boom in this case ) for the buck with the 3600 at the preorder price.
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I had some time today so I put the mini dsp back in the chain. This is the first time since doing the SE upgrades...this go around I hooked the 2 subs equal distant to channel 1 and the third to channel 2. Ended up using the bi-quad filter to set a low shelf filter starting around 25hz to lift the low end. I took a compression sweep but some how it did not save. I am flat @ reference +/-3db from 20-90hz. I did get some other measurements saved...also no clipping yet, but it is borderline at reference, I think there is 1.5db of headroom to spare.


last graph is a compression sweep I took before any eq was applied...you can look at the lowest sweep to compare base response to post eq. I was able to squeeze another 2db in the 18-20hz range and pull the 30hz peak down, to flatten the response.
For your compression sweeps do you just keep playing the sound louder/record until the sound appears to compress? Any fear of damaging the sub? Is there a limit to how loud you should turn up the volume? I would like to try this on my sub. Any specific procedure to this?
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3600 ordered! Really excited to replace my 11 year old PB 12/2 Ultra (which has served me incredibly well.....sniff....sniff.....and I will be sad to see it go in a sense ) with this beast. The 3600 should (I hope!) pair well with my 3 PB13s. Should be fun!
Congratulations Toe! That should be an incredible bass fest... a 3600 paired with 3 PB13s, insane!
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I'm not surprised. That preorder pricing was too tempting to let go by. I'm so excited to be getting the V3600i that I have literally had dreams about subwoofers over the past week.

LOL. That worries me a little… but oh well.
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For your compression sweeps do you just keep playing the sound louder/record until the sound appears to compress? Any fear of damaging the sub? Is there a limit to how loud you should turn up the volume? I would like to try this on my sub. Any specific procedure to this?
No special procedure, just take sweeps like I did in my graph. I stop soon as I see the output not increase the full amount of volume that I turned it up to. Meaning if I increased the level 5db but only saw 4,db increase @ 20hz, I stop. Also remember you normally have 2-3db more headroom with source material opposed to sine wave sweeps. So for example, if you hit 115db @ 20hz with 1-2db compression, you still will have clean uncompressed output for movies.
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