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I totally agree.
I totally disagree... I don't agree with the fact that if someone voices there opinion that person gets bullied just because they don't agree. Tom is right, there is no need for personal jabs, but there is no need to get to sensitive about them. The person is already a PSA customer and he is already sold on the idea of the company. He is just giving feedback, yes feedback!
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I totally disagree... I don't agree with the fact that if someone voices there opinion that person gets bullied just because they don't agree. Tom is right, there is no need for personal jabs, but there is no need to get to sensitive about them. The person is already a PSA customer and he is already sold on the idea of the company. He is just giving feedback, yes feedback!
The thing is these Gentlemen to the best of my knowledge had worked things out themselves so there is no need, in my opinion, to try and stir the pot and get this going again.
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The thing is these Gentlemen to the best of my knowledge had worked things out themselves so there is no need, in my opinion, to try and stir the pot and get this going again.
I can live with that and good point. But, the issue will never be settled. Its always the same thing in every forum. You question a Forum product and here they come...Why is it always like that. I get it there passionate about there item. What better Ford or Chevy? Its a stupid question! Every company will offer perks that will benefit some and will turn away others. I'm not saying perks are bad, they are definitely great, but all companies offer them. Some less, some more...PSA is a good company based on what I have experienced, but I have also had dialogue with others and have also been good.
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I can live with that and good point. But, the issue will never be settled. Its always the same thing in every forum. You question a Forum product and here they come...Why is it always like that. I get it there passionate about there item. What better Ford or Chevy? Its a stupid question! Every company will offer perks that will benefit some and will turn away others. I'm not saying perks are bad, they are definitely great, but all companies offer them. Some less, some more...PSA is a good company based on what I have experienced, but I have also had dialogue with others and have also been good.
Now you are making sense and speaking with reason. I will say that sometimes Tom does come off as a little snippy but when you are putting the amount of effort and time into a company that he is then I think you have every right to be if someone is questioning your products or motives. PSA makes an excellent product and goes above and beyond in my opinion to make sure customers are 100% satisfied. Other companies do make good products as well but I like the fact that if I have a problem I can speak to the owner and founder of the company and get my issues resolved in an amazingly quick time frame. I waited two days for an email from a certain company regarding stock on a subwoofer and that wait led me to PSA.
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Now you are making sense and speaking with reason. I will say that sometimes Tom does come off as a little snippy but when you are putting the amount of effort and time into a company that he is then I think you have every right to be if someone is questioning your products or motives. PSA makes an excellent product and goes above and beyond in my opinion to make sure customers are 100% satisfied. Other companies do make good products as well but I like the fact that if I have a problem I can speak to the owner and founder of the company and get my issues resolved in an amazingly quick time frame. I waited two days for an email from a certain company regarding stock on a subwoofer and that wait led me to PSA.
As one said," I totally agree". Everything you said about PSA and Tom are very true, no argument there. I've asked questions and Tom has answered every single one of them and in a timely fashion. I.D companies like SVS, HSU, Seaton, among others also have great reviews and happy customers. They all offer different perks that attract customers. You can make an argument to who offers the best, that will be subject to opinion. I'm sure every forum for each company would put out all sorts of facts, reviews, data, etc.. on why there product is better. Once somebody starts voicing a difference in opinion, most are quick to label that person a "Troll". The other side of the coin is, are they a "Fanboy". Anyways I like PSA, but I also like SVS, HSU, Reaction and among others. I'm leaning towards of course PSA, HSU is a close second.
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As one said," I totally agree". Everything you said about PSA and Tom are very true, no argument there. I've asked questions and Tom has answered every single one of them and in a timely fashion. I.D companies like SVS, HSU, Seaton, among others also have great reviews and happy customers. They all offer different perks that attract customers. You can make an argument to who offers the best, that will be subject to opinion. I'm sure every forum for each company would put out all sorts of facts, reviews, data, etc.. on why there product is better. Once somebody starts voicing a difference in opinion, most are quick to label that person a "Troll". The other side of the coin is, are they a "Fanboy". Anyways I like PSA, but I also like SVS, HSU, Reaction and among others. I'm leaning towards of course PSA, HSU is a close second.
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Makes sense! A ton of bang (boom in this case ) for the buck with the 3600 at the preorder price.
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I had some time today so I put the mini dsp back in the chain. This is the first time since doing the SE upgrades...this go around I hooked the 2 subs equal distant to channel 1 and the third to channel 2. Ended up using the bi-quad filter to set a low shelf filter starting around 25hz to lift the low end. I took a compression sweep but some how it did not save. I am flat @ reference +/-3db from 20-90hz. I did get some other measurements saved...also no clipping yet, but it is borderline at reference, I think there is 1.5db of headroom to spare.


last graph is a compression sweep I took before any eq was applied...you can look at the lowest sweep to compare base response to post eq. I was able to squeeze another 2db in the 18-20hz range and pull the 30hz peak down, to flatten the response.
For your compression sweeps do you just keep playing the sound louder/record until the sound appears to compress? Any fear of damaging the sub? Is there a limit to how loud you should turn up the volume? I would like to try this on my sub. Any specific procedure to this?
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3600 ordered! Really excited to replace my 11 year old PB 12/2 Ultra (which has served me incredibly well.....sniff....sniff.....and I will be sad to see it go in a sense ) with this beast. The 3600 should (I hope!) pair well with my 3 PB13s. Should be fun!
Congratulations Toe! That should be an incredible bass fest... a 3600 paired with 3 PB13s, insane!
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I'm not surprised. That preorder pricing was too tempting to let go by. I'm so excited to be getting the V3600i that I have literally had dreams about subwoofers over the past week.

LOL. That worries me a little… but oh well.
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For your compression sweeps do you just keep playing the sound louder/record until the sound appears to compress? Any fear of damaging the sub? Is there a limit to how loud you should turn up the volume? I would like to try this on my sub. Any specific procedure to this?
No special procedure, just take sweeps like I did in my graph. I stop soon as I see the output not increase the full amount of volume that I turned it up to. Meaning if I increased the level 5db but only saw 4,db increase @ 20hz, I stop. Also remember you normally have 2-3db more headroom with source material opposed to sine wave sweeps. So for example, if you hit 115db @ 20hz with 1-2db compression, you still will have clean uncompressed output for movies.

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^^^ This guy suffers from little bass syndrome. 3 Ultra's and a V3600??
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Haha! Yeah, and all in a 12' x 17.5' sealed room.

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Haha! Yeah, and all in a 12' x 17.5' sealed room.
That's awesome I can only imagine the tactile feel that is experienced in that room.

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Not sure on the exact timing yet but second run will be about 5 weeks +/- a week. This one is already about 80% sold out. Anyone on the fence pop into chat and we'll work with you on pricing. The $1799 isn't coming back though. We MIGHT be able to double up on the quantity for the second run if needed but we'll just end up being out of stock on something else. I'll let additional V3600i orders dictate that.

I've had the V3600i punishing the office for about a week straight now. Solid extension into the mid teens and, as expected, very powerful in the deep bass(equal to about dual V1500s IIRC). The mid and upper bass headroom is incredible though. I knew it would have "slam" but really wasn't expected just how much. I think we're close to the big ID horns in the mid/upper bass. Combine that with extension into the mid teens and the V3600i is quite unique in what it brings to the table for potential customers.

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Tom, this might not make much sense, but I'm glad the pre-order pricing is over.

I felt like a junkie around the house, needing a fix, and looking for things to sell so I could snag a V3600.

Even my wife noticed the behavior - but I told her I was looking for my Legos. Phew.

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Haha! Yeah, and all in a 12' x 17.5' sealed room.
Damn Toe, that is just awesome !!!!!!!!!!

I bet you could offer Sub-Sonic Kidney Stone Pulverizing and help pay for the V3600
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Tom, this might not make much sense, but I'm glad the pre-order pricing is over.

I felt like a junkie around the house, needing a fix, and looking for things to sell so I could snag a V3600.

Even my wife noticed the behavior - but I told her I was looking for my Legos. Phew.
We really missed low on that. I should have listened to Jim..

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Does anyone actually have the V3600i in their hands? First impressions? Cracked drywall? Maybe I just missed the pictures and opinions from owners earlier in this thread. My neighbor got in on the pre-order pricing and I believe he said his will be at the door early next week. He's coming from a DIY single Dayton 12" build...so, just a slight upgrade. I've been shaking his house for almost 2 years now; it's his turn!
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Does anyone actually have the V3600i in their hands? First impressions? Cracked drywall? Maybe I just missed the pictures and opinions from owners earlier in this thread. My neighbor got in on the pre-order pricing and I believe he said his will be at the door early next week. He's coming from a DIY single Dayton 12" build...so, just a slight upgrade. I've been shaking his house for almost 2 years now; it's his turn!
Shipments will begin late this week. I'd say Friday is a good guess +/- a day. If we miss on that it will be by a day or two....nothing like weeks.

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Went to buy a 2nd XS30 and miniDSP to find out there was actually a b-stock XS30 from a 3600 trade-up that wasn't listed on the site yet. So who's XS30 did I just buy?

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Went to buy a 2nd XS30 and miniDSP to find out there was actually a b-stock XS30 from a 3600 trade-up that wasn't listed on the site yet. So who's XS30 did I just buy?
Well, if it was from a dual S3000i trade up, it was mine.

Since the V3600 havent shipped yet and my XS30 just made it back to PSA last week it probably is. Glad to see that it didnt sit idle for long and will now have a brother to play with. Have fun!!!!

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Well, if it was from a dual S3000i trade up, it was mine.

Since the V3600 havent shipped yet and my XS30 just made it back to PSA last week it probably is. Have fun!!!!
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I had some time today so I put the mini dsp back in the chain. This is the first time since doing the SE upgrades...this go around I hooked the 2 subs equal distant to channel 1 and the third to channel 2. Ended up using the bi-quad filter to set a low shelf filter starting around 25hz to lift the low end. I took a compression sweep but some how it did not save. I am flat @ reference +/-3db from 20-90hz. I did get some other measurements saved...also no clipping yet, but it is borderline at reference, I think there is 1.5db of headroom to spare.


last graph is a compression sweep I took before any eq was applied...you can look at the lowest sweep to compare base response to post eq. I was able to squeeze another 2db in the 18-20hz range and pull the 30hz peak down, to flatten the response.

I've been thinking about putting the MiniDSP back in the chain too. Haven't had it in at all with the T-18s. What sort of filters do you think I should use to bring up the ULF? I've never fooled with the filters, I just let REW do it automatically (and would remove any that were superfluous).

I'd like to bring down the whole response between 20-120hz, in essence bringing up the <20hz response....think that would work?? I know that I can't effect the response above 100hz a lot, but I've had success before with it effecting up to around 120hz (with a 90hz xover).

Or maybe I shouldn't mess with it at all.



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Heh, hopefully learning REW and getting both subs integrated won't be too frustrating. I feel like I've read everything I can the past few weeks and just need some hands on learning now.
Just take your time and follow Jerry's guide. People here will help if needed. REW immediately revealed a huge dip at my crossover point (80hz) that was taken care or with the time delay on the new ICE amps. MiniDsp will help things like that as well. Just saying that REW isn't all that hard once its set up-and that can be the real PITA in some cases.
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I've been thinking about putting the MiniDSP back in the chain too. Haven't had it in at all with the T-18s. What sort of filters do you think I should use to bring up the ULF? I've never fooled with the filters, I just let REW do it automatically (and would remove any that were superfluous).

I'd like to bring down the whole response between 20-120hz, in essence bringing up the <20hz response....think that would work?? I know that I can't effect the response above 100hz a lot, but I've had success before with it effecting up to around 120hz (with a 90hz xover).

Or maybe I shouldn't mess with it at all.
I am no expert and others are definately more qualified but I did something similar to try and deal with a dip in the 35-55 range. By using the room size, I adjusted down into the lower portion of the dip ended up with a pretty good graph.

Did I lose some headroom and doing this? I dont know, but maybe and I may go back and re try other options. I also ended up with a 10db bump below 15HZ.
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I am no expert and others are definately more qualified but I did something similar to try and deal with a dip in the 35-55 range. By using the room size, I adjusted down into the lower portion of the dip ended up with a pretty good graph.

Did I lose some headroom and doing this? I dont know, but maybe and I may go back and re try other options. I also ended up with a 10db bump below 15HZ.

No variable room size on the T-18s. Anyways, I have them both set to "Large Room" mode...there's no more to be had in the ULF without some sort of EQ.
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No variable room size on the T-18s. Anyways, I have them both set to "Large Room" mode...there's no more to be had in the ULF without some sort of EQ.
Yeah, but that's where the MiniDsp come into play, correct? That's where I was going with this, sorry for being vague there.

Just a thought...... with adding a Minidsp, could you effectively add that in the chain and make adjustments within EQ only to see if its worth going all out and messing with anything else? This way if it doesn't not look promising, just remove the eq box and your back where you started?
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