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Your not going to put a product at a price point to not make profit. That's stupid.
I just wanted to let you know that this is actually a business strategy that is fairly common practice; read here. Please note that I am neither saying you're right nor wrong; only Tom and his colleagues would dictate the accuracy of the claim.

It is my personal opinion that I do think that some companies, such as SVS, are merely riding the coattails of their successful predecessors. If you factor in the product line evolutions, variety offered, and product of impeccable engineering changes over the last, say, 3 years, SVS, PSA, and other ID companies begin to vary vastly on a different front.

At the end of the day, we are all consumers. We vote with our wallets. We, as a collective, dictate the rise and fall of almost every company in history, present, and the future. Competition is what keeps prices low and product development high. I, for one, am very glad that there are competitors of varying prices and offerings. Otherwise, this forum would be one hell of a boring place! "Did you get _THE_ subwoofer installed?" My theater would be pretty damn boring if it was the same sound offering as movie theater!
This is what I've been saying. It's a common practice. PSA will price there items where they think it will have sucess and sometimes they will push it a little bit more. Noting wrong that, its a business decision. I'm giving my point of view, it's up to Tom what he wants to do with my opinion. At my employer if people are not happy with our product or pricing, guess what we do something about it. This is also common practice. What irks me is when these fanboys come in say, how dare you day that about this product!
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I said I would consider it now more that the v3600 is at $2299. Again, the v3600 just came out and PB ultra 13 is an established sub. I'm sure the v3600 will blowing a away, just don't think it will have the sucess it needs to have at $2299. I've never questioned its performance, I've questioned the price based on the competition.
And the competition was broken down here by specs, performance and price a page or two ago at which point the 3600 looks to be appropriately priced. I think the problem is the preorder price was SO good that the $500 jump seems huge, but when you put it up against the competition at or near this price range the $2299 is very fair.
Again PSA will not put a product at a price range that will make them no profit. You rather pay $2299, then $1799? Fair, what's fair? Sales will be the only indicator if the v3600 has sucess. Simple as that. As a customer, the v3600 at $2299 makes me consider other subs. I'm sure other people feel the same way.
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Again PSA will not put a product at a price range that will make them no profit. You rather pay $2299, then $1799? Fair, what's fair? Sales will be the only indicator if the v3600 has sucess. Simple as that. As a customer, the v3600 at $2299 makes me consider other subs. I'm sure other people feel the same way.
I'm not saying it's a no brainer at $2299. I am saying it is competitively priced vs the competition which it is.

EDIT: Sorry Mark. Saw your post after I made mine. I'm done posting about this subject.
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Again PSA will not put a product at a price range that will make them no profit. You rather pay $2299, then $1799? Fair, what's fair? Sales will be the only indicator if the v3600 has sucess. Simple as that. As a customer, the v3600 at $2299 makes me consider other subs. I'm sure other people feel the same way.
I'm not saying it's a no brainer at $2299. I am saying it is competitively priced vs the competition which it is.
Based on then specifications, the v3600 has its challenges ahead of them based on the competition. Time will tell how great this sub will be. PSA will soon know if they need to make adjustments to the product.
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Amen to that. I don't know why but that seems to be the case on every forum, not just AVS. I said it many times before but I repeat 'Why becomes a brand soldier? Let the company be. We are here as a consumer to protect no body but ourselves'. There is always something better than the one a person owns and we have to understand that we are here to learn and make the product we have performs better in our room and/or find a better product not necessary from the same brand we had. I would never discovered Rythmik if I just read and believe in what said in my previous sub owner thread.
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Amen to that. I don't know why but that seems to be the case on every forum, not just AVS. I said it many times before but I repeat 'Why becomes a brand soldier? Let the company be. We are here as a consumer to protect no body but ourselves'. There is always something better than the one a person owns and we have to understand that we are here to learn and make the product we have performs better in our room and/or find a better product not necessary from the same brand we had. I would never discovered Rythmik if I just read and believe in what said in my previous sub owner thread.
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Based on then specifications, the v3600 has its challenges ahead of them based on the competition. Time will tell how great this sub will be. PSA will soon know if they need to make adjustments to the product.

I'm sure you answered this allready but what exactly competes with it at the 2299 price?
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Nice set up, the symmetry makes me happy.

Also what speakers do you have?

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Also just posting this again.... the GTG will be tomorrow. Keep an eye on the DIY section for the post gtg thread....

Just a heads up, Some guys in the DIY forum are having a GTG with a lot of DIY gear. Plus some PSA gear including speakers and subs. Keep an eye the DIY section they might have some good comparisons to offer.

GTG meet Plainfield Il. (Chicago land area)
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Congrats, welcome to the dual club!!!!!!
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Also I think this was posted before but still good to have here.

V3600I frequency response



V3600 output. (CEA-2010 averaged)
16-25hz ~ 122.3
31-50hz ~ 132.3
63-100hz ~ 136.0
16-100hz ~ 131.8

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Also what speakers do you have?
Thanks! Symmetry makes me happy too
They are NHT speakers. VT-2/VS-2's that are almost 20 years old! Needless to say, PSA speakers will be my next home theater purchase!

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Also just posting this again.... the GTG will be tomorrow. Keep an eye on the DIY section for the post gtg thread....

Just a heads up, Some guys in the DIY forum are having a GTG with a lot of DIY gear. Plus some PSA gear including speakers and subs. Keep an eye the DIY section they might have some good comparisons to offer.

GTG meet Plainfield Il. (Chicago land area)

If I didn't have a wedding I think I would crash that party.
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Also T-18 review at the Hometheaterforum.


The T-18 flagship subwoofer earns the very first Editor's Choice Award for hardware at Home Theater Forum. Check out Dave Upton's Review.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...woofer-review/




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First round of V3600i shipments out the door today. Shipping notices have been sent. Here's the first 3 or 4 staged. We'll be working late tonight. Another batch will be headed out on Monday/Tuesday. And then a third round later in the week(25th-26th).

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Thanks! Symmetry makes me happy too
They are NHT speakers. VT-2/VS-2's that are almost 20 years old! Needless to say, PSA speakers will be my next home theater purchase!
I miss the old school NHT speakers they changed over their entire line. If they hadn't I would still recommend them for someone who wanted speakers at a decent price that also where waf friendly.
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You will love having duals. Congrats.
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Also T-18 review at the Hometheaterforum.


The T-18 flagship subwoofer earns the very first Editor's Choice Award for hardware at Home Theater Forum. Check out Dave Upton's Review.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...woofer-review/

Some very high praise:

The SubMersive HP+ is a really interesting comparison to the T-18, as they both use the same amplifier, are both sealed designs and both compete in a very similar price range. In my room it was very clear that the T-18 had the greater output capability of the two subs, though I couldn’t take advantage of that without hearing and structural damage. In terms of sound quality for 2 channel listening, it’s a really close contest. My ears have grown pretty accustomed to the HP+, and it is a really musical sub with a different design than the T-18 that requires less floor space.

If you’re looking for premium finishes or floor space is a concern, I personally think the SubMersive HP+ is likely to be the better choice. If you’re after high output, low frequency extension and floor space isn’t a worry, there is no contest at all. For anyone who wants insane visceral bass, a high quality cabinet and the best value in high end subwoofers, the T-18 is the sub to buy. Highly Recommended.
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The T-18 flagship subwoofer earns the very first Editor's Choice Award for hardware at Home Theater Forum. Check out Dave Upton's Review.
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Makes me really want one....oh, wait......


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Makes me really want one....oh, wait......


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Again, I don't think the v3600 will sustain sales at $2299 long term based on what's out there. But I don't know that or anybody else! Time will tell....
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Got my XV15 about a couple weeks ago and its a very impressive sub. I mainly listen to music around the house and some movies. Id like to get a little more bass I'm thinking.

My question is do i get a second xv15 or upgrade to a v1500? What do you guys think?

My room is 14 X 20 with vaulted ceilings about 10 ft.
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Got my XV15 about a couple weeks ago and its a very impressive sub. I mainly listen to music around the house and some movies. Id like to get a little more bass I'm thinking.

My question is do i get a second xv15 or upgrade to a v1500? What do you guys think?

My room is 14 X 20 with vaulted ceilings about 10 ft.
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