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post #20161 of 21978 Old 06-20-2015, 07:29 AM
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I agree, go with duals. When I was considering going duals Brian to told me to do it because I would be shocked at the difference. He was right. Go with duals.
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PS: I hope the Jeff you're referring to is me.............

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LOL…Yep you were right Jeff, you are the Jeff I'm referring to.

I couldn't resist your enthusiasm for the PSA speakers, so I just had to try them. And you were right they are incredible.
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So I have 2 bic acoustech pl 200's. How many bic's equal 1 s1500 or 1 v1500.
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So I have 2 bic acoustech pl 200's. How many bic's equal 1 s1500 or 1 v1500.
Those are great entry level subs for the money. I also had two entry level 12" subwoofers (JBL ES250PBK) and thought they were the bees knees. That is until I purchased two XV-15se subs. It was like I didn't have any subs at all. An entirely different league. Don't get me wrong, I still use one of my old subs downstairs in the family room for TV duty, but when comparing the two the XV-15se leaves the entry levels in the dust.

Pure SPL, clarity (lack of boomy sound) and low frequency extension are where the PSA subs shine. The Bic is barely capable (if at all) of 20Hz output. This is where movie soundtracks really show there stuff.

Tom V can probably tell you an approximation of how many Bics you need to get near the V1500's SPL, but in all honesty, there is no real comparison.
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So I have 2 bic acoustech pl 200's. How many bic's equal 1 s1500 or 1 v1500.
Those are great entry level subs for the money. I also had two entry level 12" subwoofers (JBL ES250PBK) and thought they were the bees knees. That is until I purchased two XV-15se subs. It was like I didn't have any subs at all. An entirely different league. Don't get me wrong, I still use one of my old subs downstairs in the family room for TV duty, but when comparing the two the XV-15se leaves the entry levels in the dust.

Pure SPL, clarity (lack of boomy sound) and low frequency extension are where the PSA subs shine. The Bic is barely capable (if at all) of 20Hz output. This is where movie soundtracks really show there stuff.

Tom V can probably tell you an approximation of how many Bics you need to get near the V1500's SPL, but in all honesty, there is no real comparison.
Wow that much of a difference. Your right I also thought the same thing about my bic's, but then I wondered. Here is another question, my system is a starter system that will be soon upgraded. So let's say I spend $2000 on dual subs, what should I be spending for speakers. Reason I ask is right now I have pioneer speakers cost around $350, it wouldn't make sense to add $2000 dual subs, would it?
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So I have 2 bic acoustech pl 200's. How many bic's equal 1 s1500 or 1 v1500.
You can goto data-bass and see how the PL-200 compares to the XS15se which will give you a very good idea of how it compares to the S1500. Cliff notes version---the S1500 will extend much, much deeper with about triple the output averaged from 15-100hz over a single pl-200. I'm betting you'll find the overall SQ improved noticeably too as the pl-200 FR and waterfall leaves much to be desired.

If the system is mainly movies and the room is larger than say 1500-1800 cu-ft....go with the V1500. You'll still have a big edge in the mid and upper bass but the DEEP bass difference would be even more audible (versus the s1500). In the 16-30hz range for example...a single V1500 would be = to about 6 of the PL200s.

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Wow that much of a difference. Your right I also thought the same thing about my bic's, but then I wondered. Here is another question, my system is a starter system that will be soon upgraded. So let's say I spend $2000 on dual subs, what should I be spending for speakers. Reason I ask is right now I have pioneer speakers cost around $350, it wouldn't make sense to add $2000 dual subs, would it?
When upgrading a system to get better sound quality the best bang for your buck is usually to upgrade your subs first. Upgraded bass can vastly improve your sound quality without even buying new speakers (at first).

Plus it's cheaper to upgrade one or two subs than it is to upgrade 5 or 7 speakers. So IMO I would look at getting the subs first and then save up and look at speakers next.
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So I have 2 bic acoustech pl 200's. How many bic's equal 1 s1500 or 1 v1500.
I went from a bic pl 200 to a xv15se and the difference was literally night and day. So much so that I had to return the xv15se and get a S1500 because my wife couldnt handle it. I will also say that it took me some time to adjust to the clean clear bass of a good sub vs the bic.
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I personally have been very tempted to jump all over the xv15se c stock for the price and turn my garage into a media room.
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I had to return the xv15se and get a S1500 because my wife couldnt handle it.
Subs and speakers should always be discussed prior to the ring. A very hard lesson you have had to learn after the fact
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Subs and speakers should always be discussed prior to the ring. A very hard lesson you have had to learn after the fact
I agree but before the PSA neither one of us had experienced that level of bass. I like feeling my chair shake and pictures falling off the wall, the misses not so much lol.
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So I have 2 bic acoustech pl 200's. How many bic's equal 1 s1500 or 1 v1500.
You can goto data-bass and see how the PL-200 compares to the XS15se which will give you a very good idea of how it compares to the S1500. Cliff notes version---the S1500 will extend much, much deeper with about triple the output averaged from 15-100hz over a single pl-200. I'm betting you'll find the overall SQ improved noticeably too as the pl-200 FR and waterfall leaves much to be desired.

If the system is mainly movies and the room is larger than say 1500-1800 cu-ft....go with the V1500. You'll still have a big edge in the mid and upper bass but the DEEP bass difference would be even more audible (versus the s1500). In the 16-30hz range for example...a single V1500 would be = to about 6 of the PL200s.

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6 pl-200's = single v1500, what!?! Seriously, so what your really telling me is my subs are crap :grinning: but your probably right, can't expect much from a $300 sub. It make sense, but it hurts.
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^^ You're subs aren't crap but they aren't very good either (at least when compared to a $1000 sub).

The quality of subs get a lot better once you break the $500 to $600 price point. And even more so when you hit the $1,000 price point. And like the jd10ac said, the difference can be night and day.

BUT BEWARE! Once you experience serious bass you can't go back.
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I remember when I thought a box system was the ultimate theater. Who was I kidding. I thought $500 would give me a good system, was I wrong or what. Good system is going to cost me around $7000 and more. Since I'm in the PSA forum, why should I choose PSA over HSU, SVS, rythmik, and others? HSU and SVS seem to come up allot and they have allot of happy customers. From what I read Tom founder of PSA came from SVS. Also, the black texture finish, how is it ? Is it wife certified?
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I remember when I thought a box system was the ultimate theater. Who was I kidding. I thought $500 would give me a good system, was I wrong or what. Good system is going to cost me around $7000 and more. Since I'm in the PSA forum, why should I choose PSA over HSU, SVS, rythmik, and others? HSU and SVS seem to come up allot and they have allot of happy customers. From what I read Tom founder of PSA came from SVS. Also, the black texture finish, how is it ? Is it wife certified?
My wife is actually quite fond of the black finish. We have young children and my other speakers have a piano finish on them, which show dust and finger prints like crazy. The PSA finish is much more durable and just kinda blends with everything quite well. As for why to choose PSA, my reasons were communications with Tom, free shipping both ways which is a huge factor and a great warranty. All the other Sub manufacturers you listed make great subs and you honestly can't go wrong with them but only SVS offers the free (truely free) trial that PSA does.
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I really wanted to try an HSU sub before i bought my first PSA . Had I done that I would have had to pay return shipping on it and that alone would have cost me over 110 bucks just to ship it back, not counting the original 110 it cost to ship to me. The reason I say it would have went back is because my wife would have hated the size of it and it would have caused issues with looking way out of place in our living room. I also highly recommend that you make a cardboard set up just so you can get an idea of just how large some of these subs are, its one thing to read specs but its another thing to see a 25"x 18" x 28" sub in your house.

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BJC and the LC-1 in my opinion is a premier cable at a very reasonable cost, I have been using them for about ten years and still functioning, BJC has a life time warranty on their analog cables. Unsurpassed at their price range.

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Since I'm in the PSA forum, why should I choose PSA over HSU, SVS, rythmik, and others? HSU and SVS seem to come up allot and they have allot of happy customers. From what I read Tom founder of PSA came from SVS. Also, the black texture finish, how is it ? Is it wife certified?
1) Made in the USA
2) Performance as good as any other $1000 sub made, and better than most(V1500/S1500).
3) 5 year bumper to bumper warranty
4) Made in the USA, rather than made in China and shipped to the USA
5) Stable enough company to be here long term to stand behind the product
6) Unparalleled customer service from the owner 24/7/365.
7) Impeccable build quality and fit and finish
8) The standard satin black finish is very high quality, most owners are pleasantly surprised by how nice the finish is.
9) More bang for the buck than with SVS
10) In home trial with free shipping both ways

Those are all the reasons I can think of as to why you should purchase from PSA. I don't think any other company gives you everything on that list.
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6 pl-200's = single v1500, what!?! Seriously, so what your really telling me is my subs are crap :grinning: but your probably right, can't expect much from a $300 sub. It make sense, but it hurts.
I came from a PL-200 and went to a PSA XV15se and the difference was absolutely massive. Cannot overstate it.
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Wow that much of a difference. Your right I also thought the same thing about my bic's, but then I wondered. Here is another question, my system is a starter system that will be soon upgraded. So let's say I spend $2000 on dual subs, what should I be spending for speakers. Reason I ask is right now I have pioneer speakers cost around $350, it wouldn't make sense to add $2000 dual subs, would it?
Hey Jared I think it will make perfect sense as the PSA subs will make your Pioneer's sound like you just bought new speakers, just cross the Pioneers really high and let the subs shine. If you have the FS52's they are really good speakers for the money and the PSA subs will compliment them well. That will suffice until you get the chance to audition the 110s or 210s then it will be game over. Free shipping both ways, give them a shot.

3 110s $1700, 5 110s $2800 + dual 1500s = less than $4800 for a full blown audiophile/Ht system, if they don't blow you away I'll buy them off of you, I'm that confident you won't be letting them go.............

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What cables are you now running? I have monoprice and have had a high failure rate. Not a fan anymore either.
Yeah, I have been hearing that a lot myself. Well, not a lot, but way more than should be. Monoprice use to the THE PLACE to buy cables. But, you get what you pay for I guess. Im sure they are all made over in some Asia country. Anyway, I think they get bad batches. Some or good, and some or not. So its a crap shot. They have a excellent return policy. But you are still out of a cable until your replacement comes.

I think a lot of people likes the Blue Jeans Cable. A lot more money, but I have not heard one bad comment. I think they are made to order, and not stocked items.

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Yeah, I have been hearing that a lot myself. Well, not a lot, but way more than should be. Monoprice use to the THE PLACE to buy cables. But, you get what you pay for I guess. Im sure they are all made over in some Asia country. Anyway, I think they get bad batches. Some or good, and some or not. So its a crap shot. They have a excellent return policy. But you are still out of a cable until your replacement comes.

I think a lot of people likes the Blue Jeans Cable. A lot more money, but I have not heard one bad comment. I think they are made to order, and not stocked items.

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Yeah, I have been hearing that a lot myself. Well, not a lot, but way more than should be. Monoprice use to the THE PLACE to buy cables. But, you get what you pay for I guess. Im sure they are all made over in some Asia country. Anyway, I think they get bad batches. Some or good, and some or not. So its a crap shot. They have a excellent return policy. But you are still out of a cable until your replacement comes.

I think a lot of people likes the Blue Jeans Cable. A lot more money, but I have not heard one bad comment. I think they are made to order, and not stocked items.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/
Or just go to the bottom of this page and click on BJC because I believe you are supporting AVS if you order from there. BJC have very nice cables and I highly recommend them!! Some of what they sell is made in the US!!!!!
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I came from a PL-200 and went to a PSA XV15se and the difference was absolutely massive. Cannot overstate it.

Picked up that other sub yet? Do you still have the xv15se and how do you use both subs?


BTW...I would also recommend the BJC myself....they also sell lower end stuff like monoprice cables @ www.tartancable.com
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Again, I don't think the v3600 will sustain sales at $2299 long term based on what's out there. But I don't know that or anybody else! Time will tell....
I wish I could go to Chevrolet and tell them I think there new Z06 is too much money. I could buy a Shelby GT500 for less. Somehow I dont think they will listen, or care what I say?
Well not listening always ends in tragic, look what happen to Chevrolet a couple years ago, they were bailed out by the U.S. government. Sometimes it's good to listen. And I think you can negotiate when you are at the dealer, that is a common practice . Maybe I came off a little to rough with my comments, not apologizing. I stick to to them. There is to many good products out there and there is noting wrong with shopping around. Price, specs, customer service, warranty, etc.. Will all come in play. If I think a product can make an improvement, guess what I'm going to voice my opinion. That's how I learn and that's how they improve. I've never said anything bad about PSA, if anything i think I given props plenty of times. Noting wrong with me saying one of there product can make an adjustment. That's called customer service which includes listening to your customer. I will probably not buy the v3600, that right now is out of the question. The others PSA products seem to fit my need/wallet more...
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Wow......What a concept brand recognition alone isn't enough
It's called consistency and trust in product. Again, noting against PSA! SVS has been in business longer. They have a sub that many people can refer to. Let's say the v3600 crushes every competitor out there, well it will take time to build that reputation and trust. This doesn't apply to people that are in the forum every day. How many people trust Hyundai right now? There making great cars. The genesis competes with all the major luxury cars (Lexus, Mercedes, BMW).
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I remember when I thought a box system was the ultimate theater. Who was I kidding. I thought $500 would give me a good system, was I wrong or what. Good system is going to cost me around $7000 and more. Since I'm in the PSA forum, why should I choose PSA over HSU, SVS, rythmik, and others? HSU and SVS seem to come up allot and they have allot of happy customers. From what I read Tom founder of PSA came from SVS. Also, the black texture finish, how is it ? Is it wife certified?
Yes, Tom Vodhanel was the “V” in SVS. Jim was also a key member of SVS as well. They know how to build subs and they know the inner workings of the business and what was needed to even start a business and keep it healthy. PSA started off the blocks really fast and hasn’t slowed down. I have both an SVS and PSA sub (I'm an equal opportunity subwoofer owner), and have had great service from both, but especially from Tom. And I too was worried about their black textured finish. I was pleasantly surprised when I unpacked it. It’s a nice and durable finish. Do I like it as much as the piano black on my Ultra? No, but I’m not dusting it every third day either .

Why should you choose PSA over the others? The fact is, Hsu, PSA, Reaction Audio, Rythmik Audio and SVS all make excellent subwoofers. As do Seaton, JTR and Funk. If one company doesn’t have exactly what you are looking for, another company will. And it won’t be easy choosing one company over another, because whoever you go with, I’m sure you will be happy as long as you’ve done your homework. And that homework needs to include comparing specs, warranties, shipping costs and services. And if one can audition in your home and send the product back without paying shipping costs, that’s something to think about.

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Movie area: EMP Tek R5Bi, PSA XS30, Denon X2000, Oppo BDP 83.
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I personally have been very tempted to jump all over the xv15se c stock for the price and turn my garage into a media room.
That is a great price on av XV15se! This made me look at the outlet and noticed that if anyone is looking to upgrade their speakers-3 MTM210's are at an incredible price right now as B stock. An XV15se and 3 210's for 2600.00 is a very nice upgrade for anyone looking to make a serious change. Wait a little bit for another XV15se to show up in B stock later and this would be a killer system! @Jaredseahawks may want to take notice here......
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BUT BEWARE! Once you experience serious bass you can't go back.
Both of these statements are very true and deserve to be said together.........Buyer Beware !!
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That is a great price on av XV15se! This made me look at the outlet and noticed that if anyone is looking to upgrade their speakers-3 MTM210's are at an incredible price right now as B stock. An XV15se and 3 210's for 2600.00 is a very nice upgrade for anyone looking to make a serious change. Wait a little bit for another XV15se to show up in B stock later and this would be a killer system! @Jaredseahawks may want to take notice here......
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That is a seriously great system at a great price.
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